Longer term, yes. But building an irrigation system and planting and growing to harvestability new crops does not happen overnight: things will be hard on their neighbors the first year.
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Longer term, yes. But building an irrigation system and planting and growing to harvestability new crops does not happen overnight: things will be hard on their neighbors the first year.
Bruce
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I've been playing around with this map for a while. I still need to make a few adjustments here and there and figure out some names for all those countries in Africa. (In link form to stop it from stretching the page to all hell.)
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Well, I’m not really entirely happy with this, but I felt compelled to do another “cover”, which is frankly a bit too close to the original: but I really wanted to go into a bit more detail on the setting.
This is derived from Rvbomally’s “Set Rises” map, in which history is changed by the rise of a Set-based cult in ancient Egypt circa 2789 BC… https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?p=6955833&highlight=set+cult#post6955833
In this world, the rise of a Manichean counter-religion to the Pharaoh’s solar cult rather changed the evolution of early Egypt, leading after half a millennium to an essentially theocratic government in which the Pharaoh was simply the head of the state cult rather than an incarnate god. No pyramids were built after 2200 BC, and in fact those which were built have by 1850 AD (our calendar, not theirs) mostly been disassembled for building materials. Massive butterflies ensued, including the survival of the Elamite state, a more eastern-oriented *Assyrian Empire, a deflection north and west of the Iranian/Aryan migrations, and much more.
This variant Egypt was historically more expansionist, both militarily and religiously, that OTLs version (missionaries of Set and opportunistic traders reached Mycenaean Greece while the Minoans were still in business) and although it has been invaded and occupied by foreign powers a couple times, native dynasties have always reasserted themselves, giving the nation of Kemet, as it is known in this TL, a degree of cultural continuity (and accompanying cultural pride) unmatched by any other nation, although the Xinise (*Chinese) challenge their primacy on the basis of fairly dodgy archeology. They’ve had a good millennium and a half, and dominate a vast empire and a network of puppet regimes and satellites. The tendency for inbreeding in the royal family remains a problem, but the immense and antediluvian bureaucracy has gotten very, very good about working around nutty Pharaohs.
This world is one in which democracy beyond the city-state level never really caught on, and the general view of political theorists is that a government of the people – all the people, for all the people, is simply impractical. (The Greek city states had no great flowering of democratic culture – the glories of Athens were butterflied away, and the general transition was from small despotisms and oligarchies to larger despotisms, oligarchies, and kingdoms). Governments are absolute monarchies, absolute monarchies moderated by the power of oligarchies, noble “republics” with a very narrow franchise, oligarchies sans kings, one-party dictatorships, etc. There are a few backwards tribal states in Africa which are fairly democratic by OTL standards, but their backwardness simply fits in with the notion of democracy as a backwards concept, and hostility to the notion is reinforced by the evolution of the Despotate of Manat from colony of Ymzhig (a monarch limited by an oligarchy) to independent pure oligarchy to radical revolutionary democracy to crazy batshit *fascist dictatorship.
The Americas, or the continents of north and south Manat, are a mix of native states, ethnically mixed states, and European and African colonized areas: initial penetration by Nordics (“Wykiigs”) was slow enough that European livestock and diseases were able to spread far before large-scale invasions by other states began (and the crusading impulse of OTLs Spaniards was lacking among the latecomers, who saw no problem in trading with human-sacrificing polytheists).
Currently Kemet dominates the Alliance of Six Realms, a political block set up to promote stability, peace and the balance of power – mainly by intimidating nations that worry the Alliance of Six Realms. Aside from Kemet, these states include the Aryanic Empire, an absolute monarchy which, although pretty multi-ethnic, speaks principally an Iranian language, rather than anything resembling the Slav language (the closest things to Slavs in this TL have been deflected into the Caucuses and east central Europe): the well-organized and tightly governed Cimmerian Kingdoms, named after a barbarous race that built an empire on the ruins of the old Hittite one (after many centuries, the locals aren’t really ethnically or linguistically Cimmerian, but keep the name); the League of the Igaen, a more-or-less Greek people inhabiting a sort of federal absolute monarchy which also includes an Illyrian state and a culturally assimilated Mongolian state on the north shore of the Black Sea: the Oacaphatl Empire, a native American state whose bloody use of human sacrifice as a social glue is less alarming than it would be in more democratic worlds, if still considered creepy; and the Union of Pritainie, a confederation of kingdoms under a High King, the loosest and most internally fragmented of the Six Realms, which has hampered their colonial expansion in spite of their considerable human and material resources.
With a sort of sad predictability, the formation of this alliance has led to a counter-alliance between the very nations the Alliance was supposed to intimidate. Punt (the locals are annoyed that everyone uses the Kemetite name, but what you gonna do) has a long and somewhat fraught history with Kemet, and its political reunion with culturally kin Shabhaan in south Arabia after an estrangement of some centuries has placed a potential barrier across Kemet’s routes to its east African, Indian, and Australian territories. It has allied not only with Egypt’s old rival for control of the Fertile Crescent, the bureaucratic dictatorship of Illam (known for their Stiff Upper Lip and incomprehensible language), but with Oacaphatl’s chief rival for Big Dog of Manat, the wacky totalitarian Despotate of Manat, which actually incorporates worship of the states’ Founding Fathers in its religion, and Illam’s occasional rival, the Khanate of the Mohguir, masters of most of East Asia (they have even worse relations with the Aryanics.) The still somewhat shaky alliance is translated as the “Blessed Understanding”, although some might just translate it as “The Entente.”
Other powers include the Ymzhig Empire, a people kin to our Berbers, if strongly influenced by the Phoenicians (rather than one big Carthage, there were several competing Phoenician city-states in North Africa: eventually they assimilated into the hinterland). Once it held a vast American Empire, but lost much of it in war and rebellion: it is looking very nervously at the Oacaphatl and its client states along the Mississippi, which will probably get seized in case of a major war: they could ally with their former colony, but the relatively liberal (by this world’s standards) monarchy finds it’s totalitarian kid rather gross. It still leads an extensive commercial and alliance system, being valued for their money-making skills and lack of religious or political batshittery.
The Wykiig American colonies now wag the European dog, which leads to occasional tensions: they follow a practice of heavily armed neutrality. The Dichlent Confederation are a people of Germanic origin (stuff happening in the middle east failed to arrest the slow southwards move of Germanic people out of Scandinavia) with a major bone to pick with their Kiltik neighbors to the west, which tore a big chunk off the Confederation in the last war: they have tried to ally with the Six, but the Six aren’t really interested in aggravating the (so far) neutral Kiltic Sphere.
The Kiltic Sphere is a federation and alliance in of itself: although the lesser Gallic states and of course conquered Dichlent are to some extent satellites of the Kiltic Integral Republic, the other members – the Iberians (dominated by the non-Indoeuropean Old Iberians) and former Ymzhig and Wykiig colonies in the Americas – are genuine allies, not puppets. The nations are mostly the local equivalent of “republics”: a century or so back the Gallic states got rid of their monarchies and replaced them by one-party states dominated by the economic and military elites, paternalist and economically interventionist, dirigiste modernizers and force-feeders of “progressive” social improvement. Currently, the other members of the Kiltic Sphere are looking with some apprehension on the Kiltic Integral Republic, where a radical sub-section of the ruling party has taken power, purged its opponents, and nationalized most of the country’s industry as part of a program of forced-draft modernization seen as necessary to keep up with the larger Jones’s. The reaction has been somewhat mixed, between those who see this as Manly Courage and those who think it’s likely to destabilize the state and bring economic catastrophe.
Religion is different: no OTL religion exists here. The religion of Kemet has drifted a long way from the Manichean state religion of 2200 BC, the names of the Gods would be largely unrecognizable to OTL Egyptologists, and indeed most Kemetites are pretty secular in OTL terms or follow the Wacky Cult of the week. Most inhabitants of Africa, the Americas and Europe including Aryana follow various forms of systematized polytheism, some taking it more seriously than others and generally following a relaxed “your gods are your gods, our gods are our gods” or “your gods are just another aspect of our gods” viewpoint. (The Oacaphatl, on the other hand, are very definite on the inferiority of other gods to theirs, and although they allow the worship of foreign gods, foreign temples must pay a stiff tribute to the temples of the state religion and be smaller than the temples of the reigning gods). The Igaen League and some other Anatolian peoples follow a religion somewhat reminiscent of Hinduism, with reincarnation and an equivalent of Karma, although no Untouchables or unusual reverence for cows.
Monotheism is mostly confined to Asia, where the Indus River civilization, having less of a bad Aryan day, managed to muddle through an era of weakening Monsoons, and eventually developed the first monotheist religion, which spread by land and sea eastwards, and by the armies of the great Scythian nomad empire north and northeast. Currently Monotheism dominates in most of India, (southernmost India stubbornly refused conversion, and still follows a weird – and sexy – Polytheism ) SE and East Asia, and the region of Illamite dominance. The original faith has split into various branches as variant as Islam, Judaism and Christianity, but having never come up with as broad a path to eternal damnation, they tend to get along a bit better. The Xinise have made the Holy Wisdom very much their own, blending it with animistic remnants and something resembling Taoism to create a unique national faith.
The distribution of languages is different, with languages of the Iranian and Celtic subgroups of Indo-European being rather more widespread, while the Hindu languages are quite absent, and the non-Indo-European languages of Iberia, Illam and ancient North India have survived. Central Asia is a mix of Iranic and Tocharian languages where Illamite does not predominate. The Afro-Asiatic language of Kemet , rather widely diverged from OTL Coptic, is of course much more widely dispersed than OTL, as is the Phoenician-influenced Berber of Ymzhig. (Kemetite is the closest thing to an international language of diplomacy this fragmented world has). Some languages that might roughly be called Slavic survive in a much more restricted area than OTL, while the Turks are minorities in the Aryian and Mohguir lands: the Tungusic and Mongolic branches of Altaic are rather more widespread (the Mohguirs are a Tungusic people). Thanks to weather-related butterflies reaching across the continents as patterns of settlement varied from OTL in the old world, the languages of the Americas only roughly approximate those of OTL. The dominant language of the Igaen League is Elassi, and as English is at root a Germanic language, it is at root Greek, but closer cultural contacts and mixing with Phoenician peoples, as well as a period of Kemetite conquest and rule, have changed it as least as much as the Norman Conquest changed English.
Culturally, things are very different from OTL, as differences in religion and politics already indicate, and even nations with OTL equivalents are quite different. The Han people still spread out from the Yellow River Plain to unify what OTL would be called China, but their union happened later and differently in a world with neither Qin Shi Huang or a state of Qin. A separate northern state has existed in one form or another for fifteen centuries, and there never was a Master Kong. China is a bureaucratic absolutism, but one with a strong monotheist tradition quite alien to OTL’s mix-and-match religion, and a religion-based legal system of a harshness to gladden a Saudi’s heart. The anal-retentive and religiously fanatical north Indians are obsessed with cleanliness and organize their cities with alarming geometric precision. The Germans are known for their disorderliness, love of heavy drink, and anarchic tendencies barely held in check by strong rulers, the Arabs are a very sexy people, and the inhabitants of Japan are known for their individualism.
Modernity is more broadly distributed than in our world, having radiated north and west to Europe, east to Asia, and south to western and eastern Africa from the innovative core of North Africa and the Middle East. West Africa, although politically fragmented, has been integrated through trans-Saharan trade with the cultural spheres of Kemet and Ymzhig, and avoided colonization. Southern and south-western Africa, more distant from civilization, remains backwards and un-industrialized, and much has been colonized and subjected to harsh colonial rule by outside powers. (There is little racism in this: harsh and autocratic rule over conquered enemies is the _norm_ in this world). The Mohguir, in close contact with Illam for some centuries, have been fairly successful at modernization and even have expanded overseas to the neglected NW of America/Manat, and after crushing military victories reduced the Xinise to vassals: something the now rapidly modernizing Xinise plan to put an end to at the first opportunity. Somewhat isolated by religious differences, India fell behind and the south ended coming under Kemetite influence. The little island kingdoms of the Indonesian archipelago were fought over by those seeking riches in spices. Western and Northern Europe, although industrialized, is still seen as somewhat backwards, as are the Wykigg, who depend to some extent on their bloodthirsty reputation to keep enemies at bay. Aside from the powerful Oacaphatl, most Native American states are in the shadow of one major foreign power or another, with little industry, and struggling to modernize.
The global situation is tense, not aided at all by anti-Khanate unrest in Xin, and a revolt in Lesser or South Cimmeria, where the locals have discovered nationalism of the OTL 19th century “our great and glorious ancestors wuz cheated” variety, and have revolted in the name of the long-dead Hittite Empire. Worse, technology is roughly at a 1940s level, and most of the major powers have at least a few crude atomic weapons of the Hiroshima type (atomic weapons have been developed, but nobody has, as yet, used them in a war). If war comes, the consequences may be unspeakable.
Bruce
This is derived from Rvbomally’s “Set Rises” map, in which history is changed by the rise of a Set-based cult in ancient Egypt circa 2789 BC… https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?p=6955833&highlight=set+cult#post6955833
In this world, the rise of a Manichean counter-religion to the Pharaoh’s solar cult rather changed the evolution of early Egypt, leading after half a millennium to an essentially theocratic government in which the Pharaoh was simply the head of the state cult rather than an incarnate god. No pyramids were built after 2200 BC, and in fact those which were built have by 1850 AD (our calendar, not theirs) mostly been disassembled for building materials. Massive butterflies ensued, including the survival of the Elamite state, a more eastern-oriented *Assyrian Empire, a deflection north and west of the Iranian/Aryan migrations, and much more.
This variant Egypt was historically more expansionist, both militarily and religiously, that OTLs version (missionaries of Set and opportunistic traders reached Mycenaean Greece while the Minoans were still in business) and although it has been invaded and occupied by foreign powers a couple times, native dynasties have always reasserted themselves, giving the nation of Kemet, as it is known in this TL, a degree of cultural continuity (and accompanying cultural pride) unmatched by any other nation, although the Xinise (*Chinese) challenge their primacy on the basis of fairly dodgy archeology. They’ve had a good millennium and a half, and dominate a vast empire and a network of puppet regimes and satellites. The tendency for inbreeding in the royal family remains a problem, but the immense and antediluvian bureaucracy has gotten very, very good about working around nutty Pharaohs.
This world is one in which democracy beyond the city-state level never really caught on, and the general view of political theorists is that a government of the people – all the people, for all the people, is simply impractical. (The Greek city states had no great flowering of democratic culture – the glories of Athens were butterflied away, and the general transition was from small despotisms and oligarchies to larger despotisms, oligarchies, and kingdoms). Governments are absolute monarchies, absolute monarchies moderated by the power of oligarchies, noble “republics” with a very narrow franchise, oligarchies sans kings, one-party dictatorships, etc. There are a few backwards tribal states in Africa which are fairly democratic by OTL standards, but their backwardness simply fits in with the notion of democracy as a backwards concept, and hostility to the notion is reinforced by the evolution of the Despotate of Manat from colony of Ymzhig (a monarch limited by an oligarchy) to independent pure oligarchy to radical revolutionary democracy to crazy batshit *fascist dictatorship.
The Americas, or the continents of north and south Manat, are a mix of native states, ethnically mixed states, and European and African colonized areas: initial penetration by Nordics (“Wykiigs”) was slow enough that European livestock and diseases were able to spread far before large-scale invasions by other states began (and the crusading impulse of OTLs Spaniards was lacking among the latecomers, who saw no problem in trading with human-sacrificing polytheists).
Currently Kemet dominates the Alliance of Six Realms, a political block set up to promote stability, peace and the balance of power – mainly by intimidating nations that worry the Alliance of Six Realms. Aside from Kemet, these states include the Aryanic Empire, an absolute monarchy which, although pretty multi-ethnic, speaks principally an Iranian language, rather than anything resembling the Slav language (the closest things to Slavs in this TL have been deflected into the Caucuses and east central Europe): the well-organized and tightly governed Cimmerian Kingdoms, named after a barbarous race that built an empire on the ruins of the old Hittite one (after many centuries, the locals aren’t really ethnically or linguistically Cimmerian, but keep the name); the League of the Igaen, a more-or-less Greek people inhabiting a sort of federal absolute monarchy which also includes an Illyrian state and a culturally assimilated Mongolian state on the north shore of the Black Sea: the Oacaphatl Empire, a native American state whose bloody use of human sacrifice as a social glue is less alarming than it would be in more democratic worlds, if still considered creepy; and the Union of Pritainie, a confederation of kingdoms under a High King, the loosest and most internally fragmented of the Six Realms, which has hampered their colonial expansion in spite of their considerable human and material resources.
With a sort of sad predictability, the formation of this alliance has led to a counter-alliance between the very nations the Alliance was supposed to intimidate. Punt (the locals are annoyed that everyone uses the Kemetite name, but what you gonna do) has a long and somewhat fraught history with Kemet, and its political reunion with culturally kin Shabhaan in south Arabia after an estrangement of some centuries has placed a potential barrier across Kemet’s routes to its east African, Indian, and Australian territories. It has allied not only with Egypt’s old rival for control of the Fertile Crescent, the bureaucratic dictatorship of Illam (known for their Stiff Upper Lip and incomprehensible language), but with Oacaphatl’s chief rival for Big Dog of Manat, the wacky totalitarian Despotate of Manat, which actually incorporates worship of the states’ Founding Fathers in its religion, and Illam’s occasional rival, the Khanate of the Mohguir, masters of most of East Asia (they have even worse relations with the Aryanics.) The still somewhat shaky alliance is translated as the “Blessed Understanding”, although some might just translate it as “The Entente.”
Other powers include the Ymzhig Empire, a people kin to our Berbers, if strongly influenced by the Phoenicians (rather than one big Carthage, there were several competing Phoenician city-states in North Africa: eventually they assimilated into the hinterland). Once it held a vast American Empire, but lost much of it in war and rebellion: it is looking very nervously at the Oacaphatl and its client states along the Mississippi, which will probably get seized in case of a major war: they could ally with their former colony, but the relatively liberal (by this world’s standards) monarchy finds it’s totalitarian kid rather gross. It still leads an extensive commercial and alliance system, being valued for their money-making skills and lack of religious or political batshittery.
The Wykiig American colonies now wag the European dog, which leads to occasional tensions: they follow a practice of heavily armed neutrality. The Dichlent Confederation are a people of Germanic origin (stuff happening in the middle east failed to arrest the slow southwards move of Germanic people out of Scandinavia) with a major bone to pick with their Kiltik neighbors to the west, which tore a big chunk off the Confederation in the last war: they have tried to ally with the Six, but the Six aren’t really interested in aggravating the (so far) neutral Kiltic Sphere.
The Kiltic Sphere is a federation and alliance in of itself: although the lesser Gallic states and of course conquered Dichlent are to some extent satellites of the Kiltic Integral Republic, the other members – the Iberians (dominated by the non-Indoeuropean Old Iberians) and former Ymzhig and Wykiig colonies in the Americas – are genuine allies, not puppets. The nations are mostly the local equivalent of “republics”: a century or so back the Gallic states got rid of their monarchies and replaced them by one-party states dominated by the economic and military elites, paternalist and economically interventionist, dirigiste modernizers and force-feeders of “progressive” social improvement. Currently, the other members of the Kiltic Sphere are looking with some apprehension on the Kiltic Integral Republic, where a radical sub-section of the ruling party has taken power, purged its opponents, and nationalized most of the country’s industry as part of a program of forced-draft modernization seen as necessary to keep up with the larger Jones’s. The reaction has been somewhat mixed, between those who see this as Manly Courage and those who think it’s likely to destabilize the state and bring economic catastrophe.
Religion is different: no OTL religion exists here. The religion of Kemet has drifted a long way from the Manichean state religion of 2200 BC, the names of the Gods would be largely unrecognizable to OTL Egyptologists, and indeed most Kemetites are pretty secular in OTL terms or follow the Wacky Cult of the week. Most inhabitants of Africa, the Americas and Europe including Aryana follow various forms of systematized polytheism, some taking it more seriously than others and generally following a relaxed “your gods are your gods, our gods are our gods” or “your gods are just another aspect of our gods” viewpoint. (The Oacaphatl, on the other hand, are very definite on the inferiority of other gods to theirs, and although they allow the worship of foreign gods, foreign temples must pay a stiff tribute to the temples of the state religion and be smaller than the temples of the reigning gods). The Igaen League and some other Anatolian peoples follow a religion somewhat reminiscent of Hinduism, with reincarnation and an equivalent of Karma, although no Untouchables or unusual reverence for cows.
Monotheism is mostly confined to Asia, where the Indus River civilization, having less of a bad Aryan day, managed to muddle through an era of weakening Monsoons, and eventually developed the first monotheist religion, which spread by land and sea eastwards, and by the armies of the great Scythian nomad empire north and northeast. Currently Monotheism dominates in most of India, (southernmost India stubbornly refused conversion, and still follows a weird – and sexy – Polytheism ) SE and East Asia, and the region of Illamite dominance. The original faith has split into various branches as variant as Islam, Judaism and Christianity, but having never come up with as broad a path to eternal damnation, they tend to get along a bit better. The Xinise have made the Holy Wisdom very much their own, blending it with animistic remnants and something resembling Taoism to create a unique national faith.
The distribution of languages is different, with languages of the Iranian and Celtic subgroups of Indo-European being rather more widespread, while the Hindu languages are quite absent, and the non-Indo-European languages of Iberia, Illam and ancient North India have survived. Central Asia is a mix of Iranic and Tocharian languages where Illamite does not predominate. The Afro-Asiatic language of Kemet , rather widely diverged from OTL Coptic, is of course much more widely dispersed than OTL, as is the Phoenician-influenced Berber of Ymzhig. (Kemetite is the closest thing to an international language of diplomacy this fragmented world has). Some languages that might roughly be called Slavic survive in a much more restricted area than OTL, while the Turks are minorities in the Aryian and Mohguir lands: the Tungusic and Mongolic branches of Altaic are rather more widespread (the Mohguirs are a Tungusic people). Thanks to weather-related butterflies reaching across the continents as patterns of settlement varied from OTL in the old world, the languages of the Americas only roughly approximate those of OTL. The dominant language of the Igaen League is Elassi, and as English is at root a Germanic language, it is at root Greek, but closer cultural contacts and mixing with Phoenician peoples, as well as a period of Kemetite conquest and rule, have changed it as least as much as the Norman Conquest changed English.
Culturally, things are very different from OTL, as differences in religion and politics already indicate, and even nations with OTL equivalents are quite different. The Han people still spread out from the Yellow River Plain to unify what OTL would be called China, but their union happened later and differently in a world with neither Qin Shi Huang or a state of Qin. A separate northern state has existed in one form or another for fifteen centuries, and there never was a Master Kong. China is a bureaucratic absolutism, but one with a strong monotheist tradition quite alien to OTL’s mix-and-match religion, and a religion-based legal system of a harshness to gladden a Saudi’s heart. The anal-retentive and religiously fanatical north Indians are obsessed with cleanliness and organize their cities with alarming geometric precision. The Germans are known for their disorderliness, love of heavy drink, and anarchic tendencies barely held in check by strong rulers, the Arabs are a very sexy people, and the inhabitants of Japan are known for their individualism.
Modernity is more broadly distributed than in our world, having radiated north and west to Europe, east to Asia, and south to western and eastern Africa from the innovative core of North Africa and the Middle East. West Africa, although politically fragmented, has been integrated through trans-Saharan trade with the cultural spheres of Kemet and Ymzhig, and avoided colonization. Southern and south-western Africa, more distant from civilization, remains backwards and un-industrialized, and much has been colonized and subjected to harsh colonial rule by outside powers. (There is little racism in this: harsh and autocratic rule over conquered enemies is the _norm_ in this world). The Mohguir, in close contact with Illam for some centuries, have been fairly successful at modernization and even have expanded overseas to the neglected NW of America/Manat, and after crushing military victories reduced the Xinise to vassals: something the now rapidly modernizing Xinise plan to put an end to at the first opportunity. Somewhat isolated by religious differences, India fell behind and the south ended coming under Kemetite influence. The little island kingdoms of the Indonesian archipelago were fought over by those seeking riches in spices. Western and Northern Europe, although industrialized, is still seen as somewhat backwards, as are the Wykigg, who depend to some extent on their bloodthirsty reputation to keep enemies at bay. Aside from the powerful Oacaphatl, most Native American states are in the shadow of one major foreign power or another, with little industry, and struggling to modernize.
The global situation is tense, not aided at all by anti-Khanate unrest in Xin, and a revolt in Lesser or South Cimmeria, where the locals have discovered nationalism of the OTL 19th century “our great and glorious ancestors wuz cheated” variety, and have revolted in the name of the long-dead Hittite Empire. Worse, technology is roughly at a 1940s level, and most of the major powers have at least a few crude atomic weapons of the Hiroshima type (atomic weapons have been developed, but nobody has, as yet, used them in a war). If war comes, the consequences may be unspeakable.
Bruce
Well, it's a turk-mongol term which has been traced back as far as the 3rd century AD...since turkish and mongol languages exist in this world, I thought it wouldn't be too big a stretch if it existed.
Bruce
Got it. I was having the damndest time trying to figure it out back when he posted the original, but didn't get very far.
In this TL the Lutheranism flourishes in Poland-Lithuania later, Poland-Lithuania becomes an ally of Germany, the Habsburgs crushed.
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The Papal states aren't quite big, right?
Never mind...
Anyway, why is the eastern border of P-L so straight?
And why is the Isle of Wight independent
p)?You should've just posted the image, as it's aaaaawesome. I'm very interested in that Union of the South... How are it's states called?
Great map and all, but could you please clarify what you mean by "sexy" in both cases, because to be honest, I'm a bit lost.
Huehuecoyotl
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Oh, thanks.
It's a union of former Lusitanian and Hispanian colonies. I haven't quite decided what to call the constituent republics yet, but the Union of the South is basically TTL's USA-type superpower.
I'm working on a map of Decades of Darkness updated to the present day, and here is where I'm up to at the moment. This is during the 1970s. The Germans aren't doing very well, though the Russians are rather waning from the dominance they achieved from the invention of the nuclear bomb. The United States is pootling on, doing its thing, though there are worries about labour surpluses, and how effectively it can exert itself on Canada and New England. The Restored Empire is doing its utmost to annoy the Germans and Americans, but its a remora on the Russian shark. Islamic nationalism is an emerging force in the world that might smack the Russians down a peg or too, to the advantage of the Germans, and may endanger the Restored Empire. China is an emergent power, and though relations with Japan remain somewhat poor if the two can put their differences aside they could be a contending fifth wheel in global affairs.
Arabs - relatively equal genders and no religious taboos about body coverage. More Sweden, less Saudi Arabia.
South India - more lingams and yonis than you can shake a stick at. Erotic temple art.
Bruce
I would think the Russian's dominance comes from, you know, their enormous population and vast industrial power rather than technological one-offs. And I'm a bit surprised Uruguay hasn't been gobbled yet.
Bruce
The people of Lazio joined the Two Sicilies while Rome remained Papal, the image is corrected, i forgot to color the Isle of Wright.The Papal states aren't quite big, right?
Never mind...
Anyway, why is the eastern border of P-L so straight?
And why is the Isle of Wight independent
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