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Or Rhome without Rome?;)


It still held it once, and Rome was city that you want to claim, Ragusa is not.

"Ragusina" sounds horrid. Ragusa was never called that. Dalmatia, the region you are calling "Ragusina" was also never called that. I am going to guess that it is not an exiled government from Ragusa, and so, because it does not hold Ragusa, it would not be called Ragusa. Ragusa is also not the largest city there, and because it does not look like it was founded around a city, It should be called Dalmatia or Illyria, if you want to get classical. I does not help that these maps look really bad in my opinion.
 
It still held it once, and Rome was city that you want to claim, Ragusa is not.

"Ragusina" sounds horrid. Ragusa was never called that. Dalmatia, the region you are calling "Ragusina" was also never called that. I am going to guess that it is not an exiled government from Ragusa, and so, because it does not hold Ragusa, it would not be called Ragusa. Ragusa is also not the largest city there, and because it does not look like it was founded around a city, It should be called Dalmatia or Illyria, if you want to get classical. I does not help that these maps look really bad in my opinion.

If you look on the maps, actually, it shows Dubrovnik as a different blue from other countries, so I think maybe it does hold the city. It's just it was shown in the HRE map because that's where most of it is.
 
Alrighty, here my latest map (the Ethiopia thing from a few days ago is from it).

While I did borrow some basic ideas from the HOI2 Kaiserreich mod, especially America splitting after ACW2 and India divided three ways and Socialist Western Europe, this is meant to be separate.



The PoD is Germany winning WWI as a result of somewhat better decisions and America not getting involved. The resultant victory was not total and
resultingly only lead to them forcing France to accept the demilitarization of the border on its side, setting-up states carved out of European Russia and picking-up a few colonies.



Following the war (which went much worse for Britain) Britain and France fell to Socialist Revolutions; the French government, about half the military and, over several years, about 100,000 Frenchmen fled to French North Africa, likewise the British Government and Royal Family, accompanied by 60% of the military fled to Canada, while hundreds of thousands of British citizens fled to the White Dominions and South Africa.

In the 1920's Italy began suffering its own problems, political fallout and economic problems would lead to a Revolution and the founding of the People's Republic of Italy.

In 1931 the American Stock Exchange crashed and America, already suffering economically from reduced trade and economic problems began to suffer internal unrest, Trade Union Strikes started popping-up throughout the Industrialized regions and the Socialist Party (w/o WW1 the government could'nt take draconian measures against them) gaining in popularity.
In 1932 the Elections were won by the Republican party (who'd become more economically rightist) in a contested election in which he won the Electoral Vote, but not the popular vote, this lead to many protests and sympathetic strikes, and after worsening economic measures and the government calling the National Guard to break-up strikes would lead to the Second American Civil War, which started out as the Federal Government against Unionists and Socialists (who themselves had support by an ever growing amount of the populace) but would end-up even more complicated by the 'American Union' a political group with militias in the South who sought to use the chaos to further their political agenda, which was primarily Fundamentalism, and ensuring White Dominance and the 'Pacific States of America', a collection of Western states who had been largely unscarred by earlier events declaring itself an 'Armed and Neutral' Autonomous Region.

Ultimately the Civil War would end in 1937 the with dissolution of the United States and the creation of three new states, the aforementioned PSA, the Republic of New England (backed by Canada with its now oversizedd military) and the United Syndicates of America.

Over following years the world saw many political changes, including, but not limited to, the Brazilian and Spanish Revolutions, the subsequent 'Fall of Portugal', Germany beginning to decline somewhat and the formation of the European Defence Union, comprised of France, Britain and the Iberian Federation.

By 1940 things were beginning to change, and a string of events would lead to WWII starting in early 1945 with the initial war being between Germany and her allies (which were all mostly minor states) and the EDU, however in 1946 North Italy, with the promise of aide from Germany joined the war and at the same time began an attack on Southern Italy, who they perceived to be weak at the time.
In 1947 the war would enter its turning point, the EDU came to agreement with the Russian Republic (the moderates won the Civil Wat and it's resultingly became a Democracy) and its allies; they would enter the war separately, but co-ordinate with the EDU.
In 1948 the U.S.A, seeing the EDU as its natural allies and angered at Germany blockading their trade with them would enter the war on the EDU's side.

By 1950 the war was mostly over and in October of that year the Treaty of London was signed, officially ending the war and establishing reparations and territorial changes.

After the war the world started seeing major changes.

The EDU was brought closer by the war and over the course of the 50's began a process that would lead to the formation of the European Confederation in 1962, which, while technically a single, Federal State, still allowed its members a very high amount of autonomy and some degree of separate Foreign Policy.

In Russia, with the inclusion of its new territories over the years Eurasianism (not the OTL ideology) became very popular and, in 1958 with the adoption of a new Constitution the Russian Republic and its 'Autonomous Republics' merged to form the Eurasian Federal Republic.

By 1965 the world has settled into a Cold War, with the European Confederation and its allies on one side, the Canadian Lead 'Global Treaty Organization' on another and the EFR and its allies on the other with many countries either unaligned or only weakly aligned to.
The world is however nowhere near as stable as the OTL Cold War, the Netherlands faces growing calls for 'Full Independence' in its Indonesian Dominions and growing discontent at home while the Kingdom of Hindustan is barely managing to suppress the growing amount of 'dissidents' and the Kingdom of China (Fujian) is very near collapse as a result of economic embargoes and spending so much on maintaining its military along its Northern border.

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Alrighty, here my latest map (the Ethiopia thing from a few days ago is from it).

While I did borrow some basic ideas from the HOI2 Kaiserreich mod, especially America splitting after ACW2 and India divided three ways and Socialist Western Europe, this is meant to be separate.



The PoD is Germany winning WWI as a result of somewhat better decisions and America not getting involved. The resultant victory was not total and
resultingly only lead to them forcing France to accept the demilitarization of the border on its side, setting-up states carved out of European Russia and picking-up a few colonies.



Following the war (which went much worse for Britain) Britain and France fell to Socialist Revolutions; .


How did the war go so much worse for Britain? A successful British Left revolution in the 20s needs some major changes in the political landscape...


In the 1920's Italy began suffering its own problems, political fallout and economic problems would lead to a partially successful Revolution, with two rival governments, the People's Republic of Italy controlling the South and the Italian Republic controlling the North, .


Wouldn't the Socialist movement be more likely to succeed in the industrial north, where Communist organizers were concentrated?

the Kingdom of China (Fujian) is very near collapse as a result of economic embargoes and spending so much on maintaining its military along its Northern border.

Kingdom of China? Did Yuan Shikai do better, or something? :confused: (If so, shouldn't the republic be in the south, where the Guomindang was stronger?)

Bruce
 
How did the war go so much worse for Britain? A successful British Left revolution in the 20s needs some major changes in the political landscape...

The Germans were more successful at 'starving them out' combined with the government implementing some oppressive policies near the end of the war, some screw-ups by the military and a generally shitty economic situation on acount of both being on the losing side of the war and Germany purposefully setting-up trade barriers against France and Britain for a few years just to make sure they did'nt do what OTL Germany would end-up doing.


Wouldn't the Socialist movement be more likely to succeed in the industrial north, where Communist organizers were concentrated?

ITTL their were attempts to 'Industrialize the South' which did'nt end-up well, overall as opposed to traditional Communist movements based on the Ubran Proletariot, the Socialist Revolution in this case was the result of an Alliance of the Rural and Urban who realized they had more in common and would both benefit working together than apart.

Originally the Revolution did take place in the north to, but it was less successful and mot of them fled South when things started going downhill there.


Kingdom of China? Did Yuan Shikai do better, or something? :confused: (If so, shouldn't the republic be in the south, where the Guomindang was stronger?)

No, neither of the China's have anything to do with the OTL people or movements.

The Kingdom of China is the result of the indigenous elite and business interests (Germany negotiated an unequal treaty for it and its allies/satelites) in parts of Southern China and was originally part of China, but when things really started going to hell around them they formed a seperate country, which has'nt worked out so well since Germany went Bye-Bye and can't pump in money or provide them security anymore.

The Republic of China was founded by an ATL group, initially called the Snahdong Clique who were a mixture of former Revolutionaries and Republicans who were actually interested in establishing a democratic state, after some successes in gaining territory and formally establishing the Republic of China in their territories they met with a Russian Diplomat and came to an agreement; Russia would provide them with economic and military assistance in return for them essentially de facto ceding Tianjin to them.
 
A map that intends to be a general guide to the major tribal and ethnic groupings of Africa prior to European contact can be found here.

A preview of it:

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And next we have here the 1996 general election. As you can see, we've got an SD/L minority government. So that might explain why this parliament only lasted two years before collapsing.

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Crossposting from MOTF:


The *1931 Belize Hurricane travelled a slightly different path than IOTL; It arrived in the Caribbean strong, taking an unusual southern turn into Trinidad and Tobago, wreaking havoc in the Oilfields and plantations. Continuing Northwest into Belize, causing considerable damage there (slightly less than OTL, but still quite horrific).

As a consequence, The Caribbean Labour Riots of the 1930s are much worse, with more coherent Marxist cliques coming out of the ordeal. Particularly, the Trinidad Home Rule Party, originally founded by T.U.B. Butler, contained extremely radical elements (so radical, Butler himself was affronted by these elements, and tried to disassociate himself with them in the 40's).

Fabian Socialism also grew in popularity, and Took root in Both Jamaica, and an interesting variant arose after a military coup in Cuba.

When the British coalesced their Caribbean colonies into The West Indies Federation, Trinidad began throwing around it's weight, and alienating it's fellow islands with far left policies.

Unfortunately, The federation came to a much more violent end, as THR militias stormed Port-of-Spain, and The Leaders declared the Independence of Trinidad and Tobago. In a brief time, the whole WIF had collapsed, with mostly independent nations taking smaller Islands with them. Jamaica kept The Cayman Islands, and Turks and Caicos, and T&T walked away with the Windward Islands.

The UK threatened to take the islands back by force, but the US opposed, not wanting a Skirmish like this in it's front yard at the Height of the Cold war. But, As it became more obvious that the government in Port-Of-Spain was Marxist, it was already egg on the face of America, leading to a Soviet Propaganda win.

A/N: I felt obliged to avoid the Kamikaze and Spanish Armada cliches, plus I rarely see a Carribean centred map.

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Crossposting from MOTF:

A/N: I felt obliged to avoid the Kamikaze and Spanish Armada cliches, plus I rarely see a Carribean centred map.

I'm interested in what's going on in Hispaniola, particularly Haiti being American protectorate colored with splashes of what looks like French colonial coloring...
 
I'm interested in what's going on in Hispaniola, particularly Haiti being American protectorate colored with splashes of what looks like French colonial coloring...

Your monitor resolution must be weird, the French color and the colors in Haiti are completely different.
 
I'm interested in what's going on in Hispaniola, particularly Haiti being American protectorate colored with splashes of what looks like French colonial coloring...

Just your average rebellion, with the lavender being Anti-American riots and etc. and the URWI colour being Trinidad Sponsored rebellion.
 
A map that intends to be a general guide to the major tribal and ethnic groupings of Africa prior to European contact can be found here.

A preview of it:

The differences between "tribes" and "ethnic groups" and "kingdoms" are large enough that I find this map a bit dubious....

Bruce
 
The Germans were more successful at 'starving them out' .


That would require unlimited submarine warfare, no? That's the sort of thing that brings in the US...

combined with the government implementing some oppressive policies near the end of the war, some screw-ups by the military.


It's hard to see how they do much _worse_ in terms of killing of British recruits than OTL... :)

and a generally shitty economic situation on acount of both being on the losing side of the war.


Not sure how much worse off they would be - how much blood did the UK get out of the German turnip OTL? Enough to seriously help the economy? In a non-total victory, it's not like the Germans are going to be imposing any reparations on the UK.

and Germany purposefully setting-up trade barriers against France and Britain for a few years just to make sure they did'nt do what OTL Germany would end-up doing..


Wouldn't that also be rather bad for _Germany_ economically? :confused: Germany OTL was the UK's largest trade partner in 1914, IIRC...

Anyhoo, I see a fascist (or "un-fascist" :) ) Britain as more likely than a Socialist one in the case of a lost WWI, but that's a subject worth a thread on its own.


No, neither of the China's have anything to do with the OTL people or movements. .


So we have Chinese PODs before 1911?

The Kingdom of China is the result of the indigenous elite and business interests (Germany negotiated an unequal treaty for it and its allies/satelites) in parts of Southern China and was originally part of China, but when things really started going to hell around them they formed a seperate country, which has'nt worked out so well since Germany went Bye-Bye and can't pump in money or provide them security anymore..


But why a king?

Russia would provide them with economic and military assistance in return for them essentially de facto ceding Tianjin to them.

What do they want it for?

I'm a bit unclear on the sequence of events: the revolution of 1911 happens, things disintegrate into warlordism and the kingdom of China is formed in the south? And the Shandong Clique later forms in the north with Russian help? What happened to Sun Yatsen and the KMT?

Bruce
 
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