Map Thread IX
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Sure... let's not listen to those other Hungarians scattered around Romania or other neighboring states. Just those few in the northeast.
OK, I have fallen prey to WIP madness - I have this book (http://www.amazon.com/The-Dictionar...8726/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1338758090&sr=8-1 ) in my library,
and I decided to cram in as many states from it as I could, along with some cities.
As you will note, so far I'm only up to the "E's"....only about 1/4 of the way done with this one, I will be improving the descriptions later and of course
there will be the "real nations" to do, if any are left by the time I finish (a long time from now, I estimate.
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Bruce
and I decided to cram in as many states from it as I could, along with some cities.
As you will note, so far I'm only up to the "E's"....only about 1/4 of the way done with this one, I will be improving the descriptions later and of course
there will be the "real nations" to do, if any are left by the time I finish (a long time from now, I estimate.
)Bruce
Look, if you have changes as far back as the Romans then the map you've shown is just totally implausible. You can't just start with a modern map and fill in random bits and then make excuses for it; you have to think of what changed, what that would lead to and then what that world would look like many years later.
Well of course. Both Alex and I first saw and complained about the British Isles, where as the first thing you looked at was France. Perfectly understandable I would say.
Alex Richards
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1. Cumbria was the one which jumped to mind first being the most local for me, if I listed all the ones which were implausible nationalist areas on that map we'd have been here all day.
2. I think it best if the map were renamed. It might be salvagable if the backstory is something more explained and plausible than simply 'maximum nationalism'.
I'd point out also that if we've got a surviving Northumbria, then the Welsh border could be quite different if Wales was never conquered, or if parts of the south were integrated into England fully (not to mention Monmouthshire being a bit of a close call OTL anyway) and Northumbria controlled most of Lothian so the otherwise identical Scottish border is implausible. I'm not even going to start on the rest of the map.
You'll excuse me if I found the Britain almost plausible when I look at what is France and Spain. You have only Cumbria and Cornwall.
A British equivalent to what is made in France would be : independent Wessex, Northumburia, Mercia, Sthracylde and Jorvik.
Alex Richards
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Fair enough. Surprisingly enough for once we don't have Cornwall though.
Germany and the Low Countries look like they've got some daft stuff as well (seriously, is that an independent Limburg?)
Wilhelm II died on December 31, 1889. His younger brother, Sigismund II succeeded him after Crown Prince Henry declined to take the throne; preferring his position in the Navy to the Royal Court. Sigismund II became German Emperor on January 1, 1900. Bismarck who lived until the year of 1905, taught Sigismund much in the policy and consul that had made Bismarck such a formidable force.
In 1915, the Assassination of Emperor Franc Joseph I in Sarajevo, created a tremendous void and shift in world power. France, Russia, and Serbia, later joined by Italy, went to war with Germany, Austria-Hungary, and the Ottoman Empire, later joined by The United Kingdom.
The war ended in 1920, leaving Russia completely defeated and under the rule of the Bolsheviks. France was defeated and lost much overseas territory, and some home territories to Germany. Austria had won in Italy, but soon splintered under its own weight. The Ottoman Empire had also been defeated, but from within by Turkish nationalists.
Sigismund, eager to create a lasting peace in the Balkans, the cause of the war, created a single state of Croats, Bosnians, and Serbs. Hungary was granted total independence, but was allowed to retain only her core territories. Romania, which had allied itself with Germany, was given control of Transylvania.
The creation of Poland in the Eastern portions of the conquered territories lead to a rush of Polish Immigrants. Though many Poles stayed, those that left were quickly replaced with German Immigrants. Kaiser Sigismund II went on toe become the major broker of peace in Europe.
In 1935, Fascist regimes in France, Italy, Greece, Spain, and Portugal have all formed an economic pact with one another. France and Italy also went on to form several militaristic alliances with one another. The Soviet Union has been looking west to once again reclaim lost territory. Nationalists in Poland are looking at the German territories, and feel a strong desire to push the border back to the Oder.
Yup... just got bored and wanted to do something.
In 1915, the Assassination of Emperor Franc Joseph I in Sarajevo, created a tremendous void and shift in world power. France, Russia, and Serbia, later joined by Italy, went to war with Germany, Austria-Hungary, and the Ottoman Empire, later joined by The United Kingdom.
The war ended in 1920, leaving Russia completely defeated and under the rule of the Bolsheviks. France was defeated and lost much overseas territory, and some home territories to Germany. Austria had won in Italy, but soon splintered under its own weight. The Ottoman Empire had also been defeated, but from within by Turkish nationalists.
Sigismund, eager to create a lasting peace in the Balkans, the cause of the war, created a single state of Croats, Bosnians, and Serbs. Hungary was granted total independence, but was allowed to retain only her core territories. Romania, which had allied itself with Germany, was given control of Transylvania.
The creation of Poland in the Eastern portions of the conquered territories lead to a rush of Polish Immigrants. Though many Poles stayed, those that left were quickly replaced with German Immigrants. Kaiser Sigismund II went on toe become the major broker of peace in Europe.
In 1935, Fascist regimes in France, Italy, Greece, Spain, and Portugal have all formed an economic pact with one another. France and Italy also went on to form several militaristic alliances with one another. The Soviet Union has been looking west to once again reclaim lost territory. Nationalists in Poland are looking at the German territories, and feel a strong desire to push the border back to the Oder.
Yup... just got bored and wanted to do something.
Communist Confederacy Map Rough Draft
Working on a North America Map for my Communist Confederacy stuff and needed some help with the map, both in design and details. Here's what I need help with if you're willing to help:
a) The state borders of the Pacific Northwest. ie, Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, Utah and Wyoming, as I can't get the borders for them right.
b) If the CSA had won it's independence, and given my pending Presidents List, would the Dakotas or the Arizona territory have been divided in two states like OTL? I know Turtledove and a lot of others keep them whole, but is there a reason for that?
c) The Confederacy and Spain fight a brief war in the 1880s over Cuba, and the CSA gets it's ass kicked. Given having to fight off invaders, would Cuba get it's independance, or would Spain retain control til the time of the story (1943)
d) UCS. Is there a color for Haspburg Mexico, A Central American Federation, or for the British territories of Vancouver Island and Newfoundland? Or, for that matter, a Communist Confederacy?
e) The CCSA and USA are fueding over South Florida, and the Seminole are all too happy to play them against each other - should I toss in the Seminole color to the point of contension area?
f) Aside from that, how does it look?
Working on a North America Map for my Communist Confederacy stuff and needed some help with the map, both in design and details. Here's what I need help with if you're willing to help:
a) The state borders of the Pacific Northwest. ie, Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, Utah and Wyoming, as I can't get the borders for them right.
b) If the CSA had won it's independence, and given my pending Presidents List, would the Dakotas or the Arizona territory have been divided in two states like OTL? I know Turtledove and a lot of others keep them whole, but is there a reason for that?
c) The Confederacy and Spain fight a brief war in the 1880s over Cuba, and the CSA gets it's ass kicked. Given having to fight off invaders, would Cuba get it's independance, or would Spain retain control til the time of the story (1943)
d) UCS. Is there a color for Haspburg Mexico, A Central American Federation, or for the British territories of Vancouver Island and Newfoundland? Or, for that matter, a Communist Confederacy?
e) The CCSA and USA are fueding over South Florida, and the Seminole are all too happy to play them against each other - should I toss in the Seminole color to the point of contension area?
f) Aside from that, how does it look?
Mr Bojangles: I'm sorry but that is one of the worst maps I've ever seen. Try again, sir.
I am 99% sure I have seen this map before. Greek Hatay, Lebanon, Palestine and Sinai are fairly distinctive, and about as plausible as last time
One of those just one country maps. My attempt at a socialist/communist america that has undergone different expantion to OTTL whilst still retaining plausibility. The PoD is in 1844 when Burleson wins the Texan presidential elections and gains British support and aid. As a result france intervenes more heavily in mexico and secures greater economic concessions. When the Californian gold rush occurs Mexico uses the money to reform its economy and strengthen. In the meanwhile the United States, facing a powerful southern neighbour and foreign interferance has focused on Latin america and annexed Yucatan (1848) and Hispanoala (1855 - 1864). Both of these were admitted as slave states which more than compensated for the lack of Texas, the civil war did not occur until 1864 and was much more bloody with Virginia and Kentucky joining the Confederate States but they lose anyway. This is a negotiated peace and leaves significant unhappy minorities in the form of poor southern blacks, still suffering partial slavery, poor southern workers and angry northern ex-army men. Efforts to encourage emmigration to the state of Liberia are only partially sucessful and encourage prejudgise. When the US government joins the country into the first great war (1919) after US vessels are torpedoed by French submarines. This leads to war with french allied Mexico and visous fighting in the North-West. Battlelines are dug in along the rockies and attritional fighting makes up a large part of war planning. Both sides violate Texan borders which lead it to secretly support the american spartacists in an effort to end the war. After over 4 years of inconclusive combat the population revolts from the increasingly authoritarian government and proclaims a spartacist state as the citizens of Germany did the year before.
Guyana is the gains taken from France in the war and kept in the 1925 Treaty of Hamburg that officially ended conflict - although the USSA had been in civil war for a year and under a ceasefire with Mexico.
Apologies on the size.
Guyana is the gains taken from France in the war and kept in the 1925 Treaty of Hamburg that officially ended conflict - although the USSA had been in civil war for a year and under a ceasefire with Mexico.
Apologies on the size.
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Krall
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A rather good map, certainly the seeds of some truly brilliant cartography are present! However, I believe that the term is "de jure" not "de juro", and it seems strange for the key to differentiate between de jure and de facto control, when it appears that everywhere on the map is under de facto control - or am I just misinterpreting the key somehow?
Ephraim Ben Raphael
Banned
OK, I have fallen prey to WIP madness - I have this book (http://www.amazon.com/The-Dictionar...8726/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1338758090&sr=8-1 ) in my library,
and I decided to cram in as many states from it as I could, along with some cities.
As you will note, so far I'm only up to the "E's"....only about 1/4 of the way done with this one, I will be improving the descriptions later and of course
there will be the "real nations" to do, if any are left by the time I finish (a long time from now, I estimate.
Bruce
Dear lord I want that book!
None of those Japanese islands in US Polynesia nor Guam are part of Polynesia. Guam is part of Micronesia. Not sure whether the Bonin/Volcano Islands, Okinotorishima, and Marcus Island are part of their own group, or if they're also part of Micronesia. Definitely not Polynesia.
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