Hnau
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So, does anyone else have issues with the *Arawaks as they stand? What should we cover from here? The development of the *Aztecs/Tlon/Tlantec and the rest of Mesoamerica? The *Mississippians? The *Chesapeake? The *Muisca?
I think I'll go ahead and redo the *Floridans/*Timuchan. I gave a shot at it in 2009, now I'll go back and moderate that piece a bit. I want the Bronze Age Americas to be completely detailed by the time we bring in the Spanish and other Europeans. I'd like to follow the original timeline as much as possible, but we'll no doubt find complications here and there. For example, the Florida Amerindians were in OTL a very martial society, and in the original BANW they were portrayed as a defenseless population whose only redeeming feature were their beautiful dancers. Ponce de Leon made short work of them. In v2.0, they might put up much more of a fight.
It looks like the Mississippians won't have much in the way of tin bronze... in the original BANW it was suggested that the Mississippians use their large network of rivers to extract tin ores in small amounts from various locations, but where does it come from? Maybe there is a little bit of tin here and there, but I can't find anything on the internet that tell me where there was historical tin mining. It is also suggested that there is a large amount of tin in Wisconsin... I can't find any source for that! Instead, beyond the rare discovery of a small source of tin, the Mississippians will probably instead learn how to make arsenical bronze or silver bronze. That in itself will be expensive to make, so the Mississippians won't be fielding armies of soldiers wearing bronze breastplates and bronze swords, but it could probably sustain the kind of manufacturing, construction, and industry that relies on bronze implements. Apparently there's some tin in the Rocky Mountains... the Mississippians couldn't conquer that area, but they could trade for it. That would likely encourage bronze-working among the Pueblos, which could be very interesting.
How long would it take for the peoples of Wisconsin to develop iron smelting? The Thule were already using meteoric iron by 1000 CE, and ITTL they might move beyond just cold-hammering it, if knowledge of copper-working and bronze-working reaches them. As for Wisconsin... it looks like the Hittites had bronze-working for two thousand years before they even began experimenting with iron smelting, and it took the peoples of the Middle East another thousand years before it became anything beyond a rarity. However, it seems it took only a couple of hundred years after iron smelting was mastered by the Middle Eastern people to spread throughout Europe, sub-Saharan Africa and the Near East. Perhaps it takes a long time for iron smelting to be perfected, but once it is, it spreads very quickly? In Africa it seems iron-working was developed independently, and also more quickly than the Europeans, taking only a thousand years after they developed copper smelting. It looks like, to retain plausibility, the Wisconsin peoples will need about a thousand years after they are introduced to arsenical bronzes to figure out iron-working. Even if they remain independent into the 19th or even 20th centuries, they won't have enough time to develop smelted iron on their own. If they do discover iron-working, it'll be because of European influences. As for the Andean cultures, well, if they retain their cultural attitude that metals should only be used to make ornamentation, there's no way they'd put to use the abundant iron ores in the Andes.
I think I'll go ahead and redo the *Floridans/*Timuchan. I gave a shot at it in 2009, now I'll go back and moderate that piece a bit. I want the Bronze Age Americas to be completely detailed by the time we bring in the Spanish and other Europeans. I'd like to follow the original timeline as much as possible, but we'll no doubt find complications here and there. For example, the Florida Amerindians were in OTL a very martial society, and in the original BANW they were portrayed as a defenseless population whose only redeeming feature were their beautiful dancers. Ponce de Leon made short work of them. In v2.0, they might put up much more of a fight.
It looks like the Mississippians won't have much in the way of tin bronze... in the original BANW it was suggested that the Mississippians use their large network of rivers to extract tin ores in small amounts from various locations, but where does it come from? Maybe there is a little bit of tin here and there, but I can't find anything on the internet that tell me where there was historical tin mining. It is also suggested that there is a large amount of tin in Wisconsin... I can't find any source for that! Instead, beyond the rare discovery of a small source of tin, the Mississippians will probably instead learn how to make arsenical bronze or silver bronze. That in itself will be expensive to make, so the Mississippians won't be fielding armies of soldiers wearing bronze breastplates and bronze swords, but it could probably sustain the kind of manufacturing, construction, and industry that relies on bronze implements. Apparently there's some tin in the Rocky Mountains... the Mississippians couldn't conquer that area, but they could trade for it. That would likely encourage bronze-working among the Pueblos, which could be very interesting.
How long would it take for the peoples of Wisconsin to develop iron smelting? The Thule were already using meteoric iron by 1000 CE, and ITTL they might move beyond just cold-hammering it, if knowledge of copper-working and bronze-working reaches them. As for Wisconsin... it looks like the Hittites had bronze-working for two thousand years before they even began experimenting with iron smelting, and it took the peoples of the Middle East another thousand years before it became anything beyond a rarity. However, it seems it took only a couple of hundred years after iron smelting was mastered by the Middle Eastern people to spread throughout Europe, sub-Saharan Africa and the Near East. Perhaps it takes a long time for iron smelting to be perfected, but once it is, it spreads very quickly? In Africa it seems iron-working was developed independently, and also more quickly than the Europeans, taking only a thousand years after they developed copper smelting. It looks like, to retain plausibility, the Wisconsin peoples will need about a thousand years after they are introduced to arsenical bronzes to figure out iron-working. Even if they remain independent into the 19th or even 20th centuries, they won't have enough time to develop smelted iron on their own. If they do discover iron-working, it'll be because of European influences. As for the Andean cultures, well, if they retain their cultural attitude that metals should only be used to make ornamentation, there's no way they'd put to use the abundant iron ores in the Andes.
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