Fear, Loathing and Gumbo on the Campaign Trail '72

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Except for Omsk, Vladivostok, Soul, Tokyo, Taipei, Hanoi, Bangkok, New Delhi and any other poor bastards within the range of the Lesser Mao's nukes...

You can bet the farm that if he thinks he's going down, he'll do his utmost to get his own Untergang moment and take as many people with him as he can.

Nah, the PRC only had a tiny number of nukes and it's misslies were pretty bad, they could hardly launch the things let alone hit a target. Plus the USA or Soviets could take out the PRC's stockpile before they could be used.

The PRC's air-defense at this time sucked. And the Lesser Mao's misrule wouldnt help matters much...
 

John Farson

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Nah, the PRC only had a tiny number of nukes and it's misslies were pretty bad, they could hardly launch the things let alone hit a target. Plus the USA or Soviets could take out the PRC's stockpile before they could be used.

The PRC's air-defense at this time sucked. And the Lesser Mao's misrule wouldnt help matters much...

They've already launched one and hit a target. Granted, it was one of their own cities but still...

Even if only one Chinese missile manages to get launched, that could still lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths.

EDIT: Might the Lesser Mao be insane enough to actually launch his missiles against his own cities if he thinks he's about to go down? Beijing, Shanghai, Nanjing etc.?
 
Hmmmmm....If Wallace wants to nuke a US city, wasn't there an attempt to extort a million or so from Boston with an alleged nuke in the 1970's?

It was then that they set up NEST...but if it was a real thing...
 

John Farson

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Hmmmmm....If Wallace wants to nuke a US city, wasn't there an attempt to extort a million or so from Boston with an alleged nuke in the 1970's?

It was then that they set up NEST...but if it was a real thing...

Why would Wallace want to nuke one of his own cities??? That's the Lesser Mao's gimmick.
 
Andre Marrou

Remember that historically, Andre Marrou wasn't elected to the Alaska State Legislature (as a Libertarian) until 1984, though, at least in OTL, Alaska has been one of the states that the LP is strongest (Ed Clark got 11% of the vote there in 1980, beating out John Anderson), so I wouldn't be surprised if he'd been elected earlier.

Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Alaska had a Libertarian Governor by now in the timeline, be it Dick Randolph or Andre Marrou.
 
Japan's Political Earthquake

Japanese General Election for the House of Representatives – December 1979

511 Seats (256 needed to form a government)

Governing Coalition (262 seats)

New Japan Party -- 142
Coalition for A New Defence – 65
New Liberal Progressive Party – 48
Liberal Democratic Party remnants - 7

Opposition (249 seats)

Democratic Socialist Party – 72
Japanese Communist Party – 49
Japanese Socialist Party – 47
Liberal Democratic Party remnants – 37
Justice Party --- 23
Independents --- 12
Daimyo League -- 7
Social Democratic Federation - 2


Prime Minister before election
Takeo Fukuda
Liberal Democratic Party


Prime Minister after election
Yasuhiro Nakasone
New Japan Party (Coalition)



The Japanese National election of December 18, 1979 was held in during a period of long economic decline, for which the Liberal Democratic Party, which had ruled Japan continuously since 1955 was held to be responsible. In fact the Liberal Democratic Party had all but disintegrated by the time of the 1979 election, a situation which gave rise to a number of new electoral coalitions some of which were based on the remaining LDP factions, sometimes joined by new political figures. Additionally, the election occurred only two months after the detonation of a nuclear weapon in the Kwangsi area of China, an event which had seriously alarmed the Japanese population and which resulted in a renewed interested in a more muscular “Japanese Forward Self Defence” (as it was expressed to distinguish the new pro-military policy from 1930’s militarism which remained unpopular within the Japanese context). Further alarm was added by the combined United States-Soviet response at the end of October, which left many Japanese feeling that Japan had to have an independent military capability due to the fact that the U.S. response had exposed Japan without proper consultation with the Japanese (the latter occurring less from a lack of consultation, but the fact that the disintegrating Liberal Democratic government that fell in November had kept its consultations with Washington secret as it tried to [unsuccessfully] walk a middle line between the current crisis and the post-war tradition of Japanese non-militarism.)


The Governing Coalition

The New Japan Party, which took the lead in the new government, was a mix of free traders and more liberal economic groups from the old Liberal Democratic Party which was looking to more closely emulate western conservative parties in its economic and trade orientations (fewer taxes, leaner, more competitive industries) as an economic cure for Japan’s depression. It also more completely embraced the former government’s covert policy of building a Japanese nuclear capability. Nakasone emerged as its leader (although the NJP included more than just the Nakasone group from the old LDP) and became the Prime Minister, although he was more of a chairman of the coalition groups than a dominant leader in the western sense of a Prime Minister. Even so, he embodied the new economic and defence thinking on what was conventionally referred to as the right, as did Shintaro Abe, who became the Finance Minister.

The Coalition for a New Defence was a party that emerged quickly after the Kwangsi incident and which coalesced around the Minister of Combined Defence and Industrial Strategy in the previous government Hayao Kinugasa, a professional military officer who had been brought in by the LDP to manage the covert nuclear program. He didn’t discuss that during the election, but he did present a policy idea that called for a more muscular role for the Japanese military in self-defence and a greater voice in the decision making progress of the U.S.-Japan alliance. His block attracted a lot of support from those worried by the Kwangsi incident and the U.S.-Soviet response who were not inclined to pacifism. Kinugasa remained in the Cabinet after the election as Minister of the National Defence and Territorial Support Infrastructure after the election, and was seen as second to Nakasone himself in seniority within the new coalition structure. Kinugasa’s partner in the CND and chief naval adviser was the former LDP politician Minoru Genda. Genda’s emergence into a more prominent role, particularly as it related to the still secret ballistic missile submarine program, made some Americans nervous as Genda was the former Imperial Naval Officer who had planned the attack on Pearl Harbor, Hawaii in 1941.

The New Liberal Progressive Party was inclined to the same economic policies as the NJP, but more sceptical on the defence side and had members more inclined to a mixed economy, more on the line of a center-left party in western terms. The NLPP existed as an opposition bloc to the more extreme economic ideas of the NJP group, but these were disagreements of degrees, which was why they formed a governing coalition with the NJP. They also had a more dovish view of defence matters than the NJP and the CND, but were not pacifists either. Principally they existed to force the NJP and CND to triangulate on policy and provide a brake on extremist positions that might arise within the NJP and CND. The NLPP had a number of leaders who took on important economic and social related portfolios in the new government. Noboru Takeshita as Minister of Industry and Trade emerged as the most prominent of this group.


The Opposition

The Japanese Socialist Party suffered because of its past associations with Maoism, which by 1979 had become very unpopular in Japan (due to the Lesser Mao’s eccentric rule in China). The Japanese Communist Party also began to suffer losses because it advocated pacifism which, in the context of the military threat from China, was being regarded as less popular than it had been in the post-war period.

The Democratic Socialist Party gained support as a left opposition due to the fact that in the period between 1975 and 1979, in the face of the deteriorating security situation in China, it advocated both a social democratic domestic economic solution but stuck to a more rightist defence policy that included maintaining the U.S.-Japan alliance (which the other two larger leftist parties continued to criticize) and clearly condemning Maoism. The DSP also explored working alliances with foreign social democratic and left-wing parties, including the Labour Party of Britain, which gave it a progressive edge over its more doctrinaire opponents.

The Justice Party, while widely regarded for its reform agenda, was also out of step with the political climate created by the Kwangsi aftermath, and suffered as a result at the polls.

Liberal Democratic Party members, of which 44 were elected to the new Diet, were the remnants of the once ruling party, largely hangers-on who managed to ride-out the disintegration of the previous ruling party. While most turned on the NJP-CND-NLPP alignment, variously blaming it for their misfortune, 7 of this group did join the government – and in fact provided the necessary numbers for the ruling coalition to retain power. These 7 were variously absorbed by the coalition parties over time.

The Daimyo League was an off-shoot of the more rightist swing in Japanese politics. They were primarily an agrarian interests party, representing rural farmers interests. However, one of their party platforms, from which they took their name, was the policy of restoring the Emperor to a more central role in policy making and diminishing the power of the party politicians. Without using the ancient term Shogun, they advocated a constitutional change which would permit the Emperor to nominate a figure to serve as Chief Executive of the government for a fixed term and to name a Cabinet from any sector of society he chose, not just the politicians in the parliament. While not absolute in power, this individual would not be subject to dismissal by parliament either. The wider implications of this was to reduce the role of Parliament to a type of Congress with limited powers in favour of a strong executive style government.


For the time being the Liberal Democratic Party retained controlled as a block in Japan’s upper house, the House of Councillors, until upper house elections in 1980, but they were a divided group which largely gravitated toward the governing coalition in the lower house.
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Hmmmmm....If Wallace wants to nuke a US city, wasn't there an attempt to extort a million or so from Boston with an alleged nuke in the 1970's?

If he tried it they would put him a padded cell - there is no way (absent an actual enemy occupation) that the others in the command structure would let him do that. Besides, Wallace is not a psychotic.



It was then that they set up NEST...but if it was a real thing...

wikipedia said:
In late 1974, President Gerald Ford was warned that the FBI received a communication from an extortionist wanting $200,000 after claiming that a nuclear weapon had been placed somewhere in Boston. A team of experts rushed in from the United States Atomic Energy Commission but their radiation detection gear arrived at a different airport. Federal officials then rented a fleet of vans to carry concealed radiation detectors around the city but forgot to bring the tools they needed to install the equipment. The incident was later found to be a hoax. However, the government's response made clear the need for an agency capable of effectively responding to such threats in the future. Later that year, President Ford created the Nuclear Emergency Search Team (NEST), which under the Atomic Energy Act is tasked with investigating the "illegal use of nuclear materials within the United States, including terrorist threats involving the use of special nuclear materials"

ITTL there could have been a similar incident which lead to the formation of a NEST by the Gavin Administration, but it was more likely done under the auspices of creating a Federal Counter Terrorism Bureau (FCTB) by that administration.

This is a far cry though from a sitting President actually ordering an attack on a U.S. city. That sounds like the end of Fail Safe.

I'm working on the response to Kwangsi an hopefully will have it posted shortly.
 
They've already launched one and hit a target. Granted, it was one of their own cities but still...

Even if only one Chinese missile manages to get launched, that could still lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths.

EDIT: Might the Lesser Mao be insane enough to actually launch his missiles against his own cities if he thinks he's about to go down? Beijing, Shanghai, Nanjing etc.?

The real impact, which underlies the result of the Japanese election and earthquake in their politics, is the uncertainty of what he does have, and what he would do with it (the sort of questions that OTL buzz around the North Korean regime). Japan, Taiwan, South Korea are all densely populated places; you don't have to aim much (or be too specific in where you send a missile) to cause a lot of damage with a fair sized nuke and it doesn't take much to imagine that a nutter who would use one on his own people would think nothing of striking out at others.
 

Thande

Donor
Wow, that Japanese election was a wipeout on the level of Canada's 1993 election. Looks like it will take a while for a new party system to solidify.
 
Wow, that Japanese election was a wipeout on the level of Canada's 1993 election. Looks like it will take a while for a new party system to solidify.

Two pillars of the post-war Japanese conscensus were wiped out at one time: the idea of steady economic progress and the idea that Japan was safe under the U.S. security blanket combined with a steadily improving relationship with the PRC. OTL these factors allowed Japan to fashion its own direction, which the LDP harnassed as a conscensus leadership.

ITTL only the U.S. security blanket is left, and Japan has been given cause to wonder how effective it will be in their interests. Since the LDP had been the leader during this period, I see them as a party taking the blame and therefore fragmenting. I see that as a pivotal change point for the country's political direction. And yes, the new system is still in its early creation stage.
 
Minoru Genda? Now there's a blast from the past for you. On one level, it's a bit overwrought for Americans to be worried about him, because it wasn't his fault, after all, that the Japanese government bollixed up on issuing its DOW on 12/7/41; he was just in charge of planning the attack itself. On another level...hmmm. I see on the Wiki that OTL he tended to represent the hardline nationalist position within the LDP, going so far as to argue for the abrogation of Article 9 of the Constitution. Under the circumstances, I think his voice will be very loud in Japanese political councils.
 
If he tried it they would put him a padded cell - there is no way (absent an actual enemy occupation) that the others in the command structure would let him do that. Besides, Wallace is not a psychotic.

Yes, Drew, Wallace was a lot of things (especially if you believe the theory that he had no principles), but crazy ain't one of them.

And, if Wallace tried it, there would be an "accidential" death of Wallace, if you get my meaning, at the hands of his own government.
 
Now we just have to find out what kind of "response" it was.

Conventional or nuclear?:eek:

The superpowers both cooperating is pretty much the only way a nuclear response could happen, but I don't think it's likely as long as the Less Mao has the keys to the nukes.

Personally I'm wondering how all this fall-out will affect the Iberian war.
 
The superpowers both cooperating is pretty much the only way a nuclear response could happen, but I don't think it's likely as long as the Less Mao has the keys to the nukes.

Personally I'm wondering how all this fall-out will affect the Iberian war.

I think the cooperation will reduce the threat of the Iberian War and Cuba going hot.
 
Minoru Genda? Now there's a blast from the past for you. On one level, it's a bit overwrought for Americans to be worried about him, because it wasn't his fault, after all, that the Japanese government bollixed up on issuing its DOW on 12/7/41; he was just in charge of planning the attack itself. On another level...hmmm. I see on the Wiki that OTL he tended to represent the hardline nationalist position within the LDP, going so far as to argue for the abrogation of Article 9 of the Constitution. Under the circumstances, I think his voice will be very loud in Japanese political councils.

His voice will carry more weight and I think Article 9 will come under "review" in the new reality.

He may just have been the planner, but that will be enough to off-put some Americans, who get sensitive about these things. In reading his bio I was actually surprised that the Americans didn't insist on trying him as a war criminal in punishment for the "sneak attack."
 
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