Map Thread VIII
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Revolutionary Todyo
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This one?
My friend, thank you
You should really get a dA account though, it would make searching for your maps a lot easier.
Shit, different one actually, I guess it wasn't you :/
Trying to remember.....I believe Nazi Germany was a very dark blue colour for some reason?
Fond it...never mind
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I did a '30 years later' map, but It's going to have a long description, so I haven't gotten around to typing it all up yet ^.^
My friend, thank you
You should really get a dA account though, it would make searching for your maps a lot easier.
Shit, different one actually, I guess it wasn't you :/
Trying to remember.....I believe Nazi Germany was a very dark blue colour for some reason?
Fond it...never mind
Are Deviantart accounts free?
Revolutionary Todyo
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Yeah, you gotta pay for premium, but that just get's rid of ads, and they're not really a bother.
and i only got one!Hey I only got two comments lol.
You want attention in this thread its better to do a piece of shit than anything else
i like itFantasy world physical map
im thinking of making an ISOT mapgame on another board, would you mind if i used your map for it?And the hits just keep on coming! So is the Zoroastrian Empire in India like the Mughal Empire, a Zoroastrian minority ruling a Hindu majority, or have they been more successful at conversion? And speaking about religion, what's it like in the non-Christian Amerindian states?
(Thought: what do the American and Greek Roman empires think of eachother?)
Bruce
those maps are awesome!
I hope though, that it's not untoward if I point out some mistakes in the key of your excellent munroist map.
Araldyana-1: might I suggest you use "fighting europeans for 300 years" or, "since 300 years ago".
Araldyana-7: to be in keeping with the style the best option is probably "Lusitanish Araldyana, around since 1521...".
Livosa-3: there should be an "s" on the end of "power".
Livosa-4: it might work better to call roman livosa "a mighty whatever".
E&A-2: "unstable" instead of "instabel".
Asia-1: it would probably work better to write it as "the House of Amisos".
Asia-2: you put a "p" instead of an "o" in "zoroastrian".
Asia-4: it might work better to call it "the glorious Persian Shahdom".
Asia-5: "isn't" is misspelled.
Asia-6: I think you might have been going for "these", or "those" instead of "this".
Asia-8: it might work better to wright it as "China, Or rather, the rest of China".
Asia-9: "unstable" instead of "instable".
Asia-10: there should be an "s" on the end of "European".
Again, I hope I'm not being too impolite (feel free to shout at me if I am), I'm just trying to offer some constructive feedback.
Esopo
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and i only got one!
i like it
Sure, you can use it
Thank you
Hindus are the majority but the zoroastrian minority is very strong and the ruling class ... the Amerindians practise mostly native believes mixed with a bit christianity, you cant call it one religion it is more like a bunch of religions
their relationship is pretty relaxed, the Araldyan Empire is not really in the position to call it self "Roman" ... "roman", "araldyan, "britannic" and "federal" are words that are floating around for the population of Araldyana, but "roman" mostly refers to the church not to the people or the state, also both states do not have any territorial disputes
thanks you
and thanks for the corection, english is not my mother tongue but i try to improve ... i will correct the key (if i am not to lazy )
Why is Japan divided in two?
Otherwise, excellent map; although I don't check in as often as perhaps I should, I really like your TL and the direction in which you're taking it.
Hokay, sort of a variant take on "Celestial Empire", with Fascist French rather than Aztecs as the main opponents (the Aztecs apparently manage to develop steam powered tech by the 19th century on their own...serious, serious levels of wankery involved).
I took some elements from Nugax's excellent Song Industrialize map (always steal from the best!) and from the GURPS Ming-3 scenario. The Chinese aren't quite as territorial grabby as in GURPS, and anway don't seem to be so in Chris Roberson's novel, either: they tend to rule through vassals rather than large-scale territorial conquest, as far as I could tell.
The Spanish and Portuguese got kicked out of Asia and the Americas for misbehavin', and the rise of the Netherlands got butterflied away: by kissing ass the British managed to avoid getting wacked by China, and eventually built up an empire in Eastern (non-Chinese North America) and Africa, while the French concentrated on building their dominance in Europe. (With, alas, the Chinese frequently meddling once non-French nations discovered that petitioning Beijing could bring results). A richer and (thanks to frequent practice fighting Europeans) rather more gunpowder-weapons-savvy Ming China managed to hold off the Manchu, and eventuall (rather later) conquer them outright.
Social and economic changes and a long line of do-nothing emperors eventually led to a change in dynasty, but the throne remained in ethnic Han hands, and breakaway vassals and territories were soon brought to heel. A slow-takeoff industrial revolution got underway, cross-fertilized by European ideas and developments (Europe in turn was somewhat slowed in its scientific revolution, oddball Chinese ideas having led thinkers off on several tangents).
The most troublesome of the Vassals required a major war to defeat, but in the late 1800s the British were brought to heel, their empire broken up, and their American territories split off as a seperate vassal. The French were a tougher nut, but the French Empire's efforts to unify Europe were ultimately stymied.
As a result of the "era of European humiliation", rising anti-Chinese, anti-monarchy, racist-scientific movements came to the fore in Europe over the next decades. In the 1960s the Pan-Europeanist Revolution overran France and its German and Italian territories, and similar movements came to power in Iberia and Scandinavia: in the subsequent First European War, the Chinese Empire and its still-loyal vassals, facing mass armies equipped with such innovations as barbed wire and "mobile fortresses", were driven to the fringes of the continent. A generation later, the Northern Fusang European colonies rose in revolt against the Empire, and the second European War broke out. Project Loutre-de-Mer ultimately failed to conquer (or "liberate") Britain, but European forces successfully crossed the Med and took NW Africa, although their advance ultimately stalled out in desert battles. And the NE of America fell into the hands of pro-Europeanist forces.
The line have been drawn, and the Chinese have been forced to commit more of their resources to a "cold war" in which they must constantly struggle to surpress European subversion among their vassals.
The Islamic world is generally fairly loyal: from the days of the first great treasure fleets, Muslims have often played an important role in Chinese military forces, and their influence at court has helped keep the relatioship between the Empire and its many Muslim vassals and subjects a cordial one. The Middle East has done better than OTL, and the universities of Cairo are one of the world's leading centers of science. Many Muslims hope to one day convert the Emperor himself, and with him the Empire: however, few upper-crust Han are really interested in following the commands of an Arabian camel-merchant, and some emperors have sponsored a Buddhist revival which competes with Islam for hearts and minds on the outskirts of the Empire.
Africa remains a bit chaotic.
The Han Empire is despotic and tradition-bound, but on the other hand is also meritocratic and non-racist and in its own way rational, and the Imperial hand is quite light in much of the world. The "Union of Western Nations", on the other hand, is a *Fascist regime, "scientifically racist", and organized with Prussian ruthlessness wherever it rules. The Iberian and Scandinavian states are almost as unpleasant, while OTOH the North American Federation of Vinland, if highly Asian-xenophobic and dominated by the Liberty Party, has rather more of a civil society and laws which aren't so easily tossed aside in the name of State Security. Engineering a split between Vinland and the UNO is one of the major aims of Chinese security and diplomatic forces, but is complicated by the fact that the Vinlanders would probably require all of New Albion as a quid pro quo...
Technology is generally behind OTL, with engineering generally around a 1950s level in the 2020s and abstract science a bit further back, with agricultural science a bit ahead. Han architecture and engineering tend towards the baroque, while western Europe tends towards the grimly utilitarian and "scientific-rational" (for all their superstitions on Racial Destiny, it is an article of faith in the UNO that they are scientific and rational while the Chinese are superstitious and old-fashioned).
Currently a contest is ongoing between China and the UNO and allies to be the first to put a man into space: the Chinese have rather more resources, but are being hampered by the crudeness of their calculating technology (Chinese statisticians and scientists remained dependent on large numbers of men and women with abacuses long after mechanical calculators came into general use in France). In the meantime, Chinese spies (drawn from their roundeye vassals) are busy following up odd rumors about new discoveries in physics in Vinlander laboratories...
Bruce
I took some elements from Nugax's excellent Song Industrialize map (always steal from the best!) and from the GURPS Ming-3 scenario. The Chinese aren't quite as territorial grabby as in GURPS, and anway don't seem to be so in Chris Roberson's novel, either: they tend to rule through vassals rather than large-scale territorial conquest, as far as I could tell.
The Spanish and Portuguese got kicked out of Asia and the Americas for misbehavin', and the rise of the Netherlands got butterflied away: by kissing ass the British managed to avoid getting wacked by China, and eventually built up an empire in Eastern (non-Chinese North America) and Africa, while the French concentrated on building their dominance in Europe. (With, alas, the Chinese frequently meddling once non-French nations discovered that petitioning Beijing could bring results). A richer and (thanks to frequent practice fighting Europeans) rather more gunpowder-weapons-savvy Ming China managed to hold off the Manchu, and eventuall (rather later) conquer them outright.
Social and economic changes and a long line of do-nothing emperors eventually led to a change in dynasty, but the throne remained in ethnic Han hands, and breakaway vassals and territories were soon brought to heel. A slow-takeoff industrial revolution got underway, cross-fertilized by European ideas and developments (Europe in turn was somewhat slowed in its scientific revolution, oddball Chinese ideas having led thinkers off on several tangents).
The most troublesome of the Vassals required a major war to defeat, but in the late 1800s the British were brought to heel, their empire broken up, and their American territories split off as a seperate vassal. The French were a tougher nut, but the French Empire's efforts to unify Europe were ultimately stymied.
As a result of the "era of European humiliation", rising anti-Chinese, anti-monarchy, racist-scientific movements came to the fore in Europe over the next decades. In the 1960s the Pan-Europeanist Revolution overran France and its German and Italian territories, and similar movements came to power in Iberia and Scandinavia: in the subsequent First European War, the Chinese Empire and its still-loyal vassals, facing mass armies equipped with such innovations as barbed wire and "mobile fortresses", were driven to the fringes of the continent. A generation later, the Northern Fusang European colonies rose in revolt against the Empire, and the second European War broke out. Project Loutre-de-Mer ultimately failed to conquer (or "liberate") Britain, but European forces successfully crossed the Med and took NW Africa, although their advance ultimately stalled out in desert battles. And the NE of America fell into the hands of pro-Europeanist forces.
The line have been drawn, and the Chinese have been forced to commit more of their resources to a "cold war" in which they must constantly struggle to surpress European subversion among their vassals.
The Islamic world is generally fairly loyal: from the days of the first great treasure fleets, Muslims have often played an important role in Chinese military forces, and their influence at court has helped keep the relatioship between the Empire and its many Muslim vassals and subjects a cordial one. The Middle East has done better than OTL, and the universities of Cairo are one of the world's leading centers of science. Many Muslims hope to one day convert the Emperor himself, and with him the Empire: however, few upper-crust Han are really interested in following the commands of an Arabian camel-merchant, and some emperors have sponsored a Buddhist revival which competes with Islam for hearts and minds on the outskirts of the Empire.
Africa remains a bit chaotic.
The Han Empire is despotic and tradition-bound, but on the other hand is also meritocratic and non-racist and in its own way rational, and the Imperial hand is quite light in much of the world. The "Union of Western Nations", on the other hand, is a *Fascist regime, "scientifically racist", and organized with Prussian ruthlessness wherever it rules. The Iberian and Scandinavian states are almost as unpleasant, while OTOH the North American Federation of Vinland, if highly Asian-xenophobic and dominated by the Liberty Party, has rather more of a civil society and laws which aren't so easily tossed aside in the name of State Security. Engineering a split between Vinland and the UNO is one of the major aims of Chinese security and diplomatic forces, but is complicated by the fact that the Vinlanders would probably require all of New Albion as a quid pro quo...
Technology is generally behind OTL, with engineering generally around a 1950s level in the 2020s and abstract science a bit further back, with agricultural science a bit ahead. Han architecture and engineering tend towards the baroque, while western Europe tends towards the grimly utilitarian and "scientific-rational" (for all their superstitions on Racial Destiny, it is an article of faith in the UNO that they are scientific and rational while the Chinese are superstitious and old-fashioned).
Currently a contest is ongoing between China and the UNO and allies to be the first to put a man into space: the Chinese have rather more resources, but are being hampered by the crudeness of their calculating technology (Chinese statisticians and scientists remained dependent on large numbers of men and women with abacuses long after mechanical calculators came into general use in France). In the meantime, Chinese spies (drawn from their roundeye vassals) are busy following up odd rumors about new discoveries in physics in Vinlander laboratories...
Bruce
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