Map Thread VIII

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Sumeragi

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Pompey managed to defeat Caesar substantially in the Battle of Dyrrhachium, when he pursued his rival instead of halting as in OTL. Also, the Kingdom of Ptolemy becomes fully independent in a deal with Pompey.


Also, Korea burns my eyes!
 

Jokerang

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Pompey managed to defeat Caesar substantially in the Battle of Dyrrhachium, when he pursued his rival instead of halting as in OTL. Also, the Kingdom of Ptolemy becomes fully independent in a deal with Pompey.


Also, Korea burns my eyes!
Not quite, though you're somewhat on the right track. I'll give you another hint: it accurs in the years following Caeser's death.
 

Sumeragi

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Not quite, though you're somewhat on the right track. I'll give you another hint: it accurs in the years following Caeser's death.
The Battle of Philippi ends with practical victory for Brutus and Cassius, with the POD being that Cassius did not kill himself (a dramatic scene in Shakespeare's play).

West is Brutus/Cassius Rome, East is Octavian (and maybe Mark Antony), and Egypt is the Kingdom of Ptolemy.
 

Jokerang

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The Battle of Philippi ends with practical victory for Brutus and Cassius, with the POD being that Cassius did not kill himself (a dramatic scene in Shakespeare's play).

West is Brutus/Cassius Rome, East is Octavian (and maybe Mark Antony), and Egypt is the Kingdom of Ptolemy
You got it. Give yourself a plate of cookies.

As for Egypt, Marc Antony left Rome after the war to have his affair with Cleopatra, and they got independent with the other two powers exausted in the civil war.

EDIT, West is Augustus and East is Brutus
 

Sumeragi

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As for Egypt, Marc Antony left Rome after the war to have his affair with Cleopatra, and they got independent with the other two powers exausted in the civil war.
Hence why I said maybe. I figured that our romantic might just say "Forget it" and go into the arms of his lover :p
 

Jokerang

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Hence why I said maybe. I figured that our romantic might just say "Forget it" and go into the arms of his lover :p
Ha ha.

A breif summary of the Two Romes:

The Western Rome: After the Civil War, Octavian took the role of dictator/Emperor for life from the cowed Senate, now that Marc is gone. The Greek border is heavly armed and relations with the East are at their lowest since the Peace of Athens. Octavian also looks to the North for more land and glory. . .

The Eastern Rome: the closest thing to a Republic in the world currently. Known as the Eastern Republic. The trio of Brutus, Cassius, and Cicero (he jumped on the bandwagon in 43 BC.) rule jointly. This country is plauged by rivaly among senators, ethnic tensions, and those troublesome Jews. However, things are quiet and stable for the moment.
 

Teshuvah

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My take on the stereotypical "US Breaking Up" ASB scenario...an exercise in handwaving :D

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Note: NYC is independent; I forgot to label it.
 
I came up with a Vinland map, set in 1914. Can't go wrong with Vinland!

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Things to take note of:

  • Vinland dominates North America and Central America with the Caribbean mostly under its control and even a tiny area of south America under its control. Also in its control are the Galapagos.
  • South Vinland, shown in blue where Brazil would be (among other nations) has control of a few southern Caribbean Islands, the Falklands and the southern tip of South America.
  • Another piece of territory to note is Iceland, Greenland and a small part of Norway (Trondhiem), all belonging to Vinland.
  • Vinland was less expansionist in the 17 and 1800's, preferring to consolidate the mainland instead of taking any territory from Spain in the Philippines or seize Hawaii. Instead Japan and England gained those areas.
  • Portugal has a presence in South America, though this will likely change in a few years. It is very likely South Vinland will gain part of that territory while native nations emerge from the rest.
  • South Vinland wants better land connections to the pacific.
  • While Vinland is the powerhouse (having powerful industrial companies and a small, but highly efficient tiered government), it has become very non-interventionist (not to be confused with Isolationist, as Trondheim was purchased purely for economic reasons and is becoming a large mercantile city).
  • South Vinland has started to follow in its northern Ally's footsteps, but still has an aggressive streak towards its neighbors and may seek some territory oversea. Some cities in New Zealand have large Vinlandic minorities. It also has a higher chance of getting sucked into European politics.
Should I make this its own thread somewhere to discuss?
 
Holy crap, Vinwank. This is my new favorite wank.

It totally is a wank. :D I kinda get annoyed with America-wanks and Vinwank just gives so many new options and possibilities. Plus the Vinlanders would have centuries more time to consolidate territory, so its not all that much of a wank. Still a wank none the less, but a fun one.
 
It totally is a wank. :D I kinda get annoyed with America-wanks and Vinwank just gives so many new options and possibilities. Plus the Vinlanders would have centuries more time to consolidate territory, so its not all that much of a wank. Still a wank none the less, but a fun one.

Yeah... so we're just genociding butterflies now? This quality of map is sinful upon the Map Thread.
 

Jokerang

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In the years following the Peace of Athens, an uneasy ceasefire lingured over the ancient world. Octavian, furious at the betrayal of Marc Antony and losing a war to the Liberators, begins to spiral into paranoia. He demands that the remains of the Senate left in Rome give him the title of Emperor, and anything less would be an insult to Julius Caeser. The Senate grants them this, and Octavian proceeds to create a dictatorship. Meanwhile, the Eastern Republic teeters. Brutus and Cassius, now in their 50s, create and write the Tablets of the Republic, a new set of laws. They contain all the the laws of the twelve tables, but with extra statements about condemning tyranny, the power of the Senate, and Government wealth distribution. Most of the populace is happy with this, with the exception of a few disgruntled Senators who fell left out. These are exiled to Judea, a rather turblent place in the world. The Western Empire also makes claims on Cyrenaica, with Octavian calling for Antony to "purge himself for his past wrongs" by returning it.

The rest of the world goes one. Han Dynasty China puppetizes a Korean kingdom, and begins setteling Formosa. The Parthian Empire annexes one of their many client states, the one to the north. The Maya establish a great trade center and religious area at Copan.

The World of Brutus and Cassius, 31 BC:

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Another one of my “covers” of someone else’s work: I decided to do a world map combining the three maps Atom has given us for his mega Russia/Napoleonic World Empire gone red scenario.

In this world, things diverged early on both in the American revolutionary era and in the French revolution to follow. Napoleon’s career was different from OTL, but ultimately far more successful…

It's 1932, 3 decades after Red Revolution swept the Napoleonic Empire and its colonies and spread like a virus over much of the world. The world’s biggest power is Russia, which expanded earlier and more energetically into Asia and the Balkans in an effort to counterbalance the enormous empire of Napoleon and his heirs. Sheer size, plus reforms prompted by fears of the unrest generated by the Revolution, has led to the currently rather federal arrangement of the Empire, [1] but there’s enough power in the hands of Czar and Duma that the whole colossal organization can be (slowly, admittedly) made to go in a common direction. (The Czar is theoretically still an absolute Monarch, but a heavily reformed Russian system and the now-considerable power of the Duma means that he must be fairly careful in exercising it. Fortunately, during the 20th century so far Russia has had a run of non-idiot Czars). A sizeable part of Europe formerly within the French sphere spilled away with Russian help during the revolution, but neither the Prussians nor the Austrians are in anyway eager to serve as the battlegrounds of the next Big War, so they are a largely neutral (if heavily armed) buffer region.

The International Congress of Worker’s Republics is a rather weak union: a number of poor, shaky or just too damn close to France states do tend to jump when France says frog, but by and large most of the states do their own damn thing while playing lip service to Socialist unity. The French subtly maneuver behind the scenes for influence vs. the growing challenge of the Marathas and their associated Indian states (rather more industrialized and formidable than India OTL in 1930s). The system is really only held together by fear of the Capitalists and the need of many of its members for military and/or economic support. (In spite of their success in beating off a combined Chinese-Russian attack a decade ago, Marathan India still feels a need for French military aid: their victory was like that of OTL China in Korea, a horribly bloody one). Once atomic bombs are developed, if things don’t go up in smoke in a Nuclear Horror, the war-discouraging effects of nuclear arsenals will probably lead to a Franco-Indian (and quite likely a Franco-English) Split. The French, who are fairly civilized for Commies, often wonder if they should just eject some of the ghastlier states (England, Congo, the Philippines, Pegu…) from the Congress outright, but the need for Unity In the Face of the Capitalist Enemy so far has trumped all such considerations.

The US is in this TL an elective monarchy, the King-President being elected from either the Washington line (also Kings on a more permanent basis of the Federation of Virginia) or the British line in *Canada, which is tied to the US within the wider North American Union by a variety of mutual obligations, pacts, treaties, etc. The King of British North America is also king of what in our world would be eastern Australia and New Zealand, which through him are associate members of the Union. US states are more autonomous than that of OTL: a Civil War was avoided (although there was that unfortunate business in the Carolinas in 1911) and the central government remains somewhat weak. As a result, although the richest nation on Earth, with an economy even bigger than that of the Russian colossus, the US tends to have a rather wavering foreign policy, and a relatively weak military (even after its post-Mexican Revolution beefing up): the Western Hemisphere Defense Pact is as much a British/Canadian initiative as a US one.

The Russians are frankly highly dubious about the US as any sort of anti-Communist ally, especially after the labor-left revolt against the distinctly Robber Baron-Gilded Age economic setup left several chunks of the country under the control of “Revolutionary Congresses”, which although a general amnesty has been declared are in no great hurry to disband themselves until they are sure the various new worker’s and Union rights and social safety net measures they won aren’t going to be taken away with the next national elections. (The US is in no real danger of a Red takeover, really: most US leftists have been rather disappointed in the results of the World Revolution and just want Social Democracy in place of the rather conservative capitalism of previous decades. Things will only really go south if the reactionary elements in US society are seriously stupid).

Bruce

[1] I know, I didn’t show the Cossack regions, but if I showed one, I’d have to show all… :D
 
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And here's the map. It's mostly Atom's work, I have just speculated about a few things and changed a couple details.

Bruce

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Yeah... so we're just genociding butterflies now? This quality of map is sinful upon the Map Thread.

I put it it together really fast in MS paint. I actually had a substantially better map going in Photoshop but I got really frustrated with adjusting the color and it looked really sloppy, so I tossed that one out and thought "well if its going to look bad, it might as well be simple".

Soooo....

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Things will only really go south if the reactionary elements in US society are seriously stupid).

...So things will go south. :p

Also, one day things will be very interesting in "dumping ground" Patagonia.
 
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