Map Thread VIII
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Giysqun Wilde
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You don't show much of the upper reach of the Republic of Texas. Libya also seems to be halfway between being expanded after WWI by French and British lands. Why didn't the French keep Indochina and just move into Siam?
PotatoSmasher
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The independent Ukraine is interesting. Don't see many of those.
But wouldn't a surviving Confederacy (and apparently an expanding one) butterfly up the Great War? How could a USSR still exist?
Alex Richards
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The Louisiana purchase may occur, though as French India might lead to no French Revolution it's not certain.
I was talking more about the specific state boundaries. The reasons for creating sparsely populated states such as North Dakota or Wyoming are mixed up in a lot of easily changed politics, particularly involving the civil war and Texas. Simply put, it's far more likely that you will see a single state in the Dakota region than 2.
Ok - working with the "CSA: the Movie" setting as best as I can...
The CSA was on fairly good terms with the Saudi monarchy, as another bunch of highly religious and bigoted slave-holders: indeed, the CSA took up something of a position as defender of the Saudi Kingdom (and it's sweet, sweet, crude) from Arab Nationalists and Communists. Although many Americans were hardly happy about an alliance with a bunch of hell-bound heathens, realpolitik and the general ally drought kept such views out of political bonds.
However, the successful ejection of Iraqi forces from Kuwait by CSA-backed Saudi forces led to an expansion of the Soviet presence in Iraq, which then provided a great excuse for the expansion of CSA forces in Arabia...which was not liked by many Arabs. Oil prices went up, and the Saudis began making suggestions as to the CSA perhaps reducing the number of troops stationed in Arabia.
With the discovery of a terrorist plot by an almost entirely Saudi group, an excuse was handy: although the terrorists were actually operating out of theocratic Afghanistan, and the initial mobilization was put into action under the pretext of extracting the terrorists from Afganistan, once a massive increase in forces in the Gulf had been deployed, it proved easy to "discover" direct ties between Saudi citizens and the terrorists, and to make demands as to full cooperation with CSA investigators that no Arab government could stand the humiliation of.
Unfortunately, although the late-90s collapse of the Soviet economy, the loss of their European empire and the ongoing economic crisis had left the Red superpower a near basket-case, there was such a thing as just too much to tolerate...
It is now 2003. Afghanistan remains a mess, and a distinct lack of cooperation re overflights on the part of Industan has required the "liberation" of part of Baluchistan. On the positive side, the CSA has obtained its main objective in occupying the Saudi oil fields. However, both the Soviets and the Anglo-French are now mobilizing forces of their own and issuing increasingly stiff diplomatic notes. The CSA government is betting that they are bluffing: the Soviets and Europeans are hardly going to start Great War III over the Saudis, right?
Bruce
PS - yes, no Saddam Hussein: I just couldn't stretch suspension of disbelief quite that far...
The CSA was on fairly good terms with the Saudi monarchy, as another bunch of highly religious and bigoted slave-holders: indeed, the CSA took up something of a position as defender of the Saudi Kingdom (and it's sweet, sweet, crude) from Arab Nationalists and Communists. Although many Americans were hardly happy about an alliance with a bunch of hell-bound heathens, realpolitik and the general ally drought kept such views out of political bonds.
However, the successful ejection of Iraqi forces from Kuwait by CSA-backed Saudi forces led to an expansion of the Soviet presence in Iraq, which then provided a great excuse for the expansion of CSA forces in Arabia...which was not liked by many Arabs. Oil prices went up, and the Saudis began making suggestions as to the CSA perhaps reducing the number of troops stationed in Arabia.
With the discovery of a terrorist plot by an almost entirely Saudi group, an excuse was handy: although the terrorists were actually operating out of theocratic Afghanistan, and the initial mobilization was put into action under the pretext of extracting the terrorists from Afganistan, once a massive increase in forces in the Gulf had been deployed, it proved easy to "discover" direct ties between Saudi citizens and the terrorists, and to make demands as to full cooperation with CSA investigators that no Arab government could stand the humiliation of.
Unfortunately, although the late-90s collapse of the Soviet economy, the loss of their European empire and the ongoing economic crisis had left the Red superpower a near basket-case, there was such a thing as just too much to tolerate...
It is now 2003. Afghanistan remains a mess, and a distinct lack of cooperation re overflights on the part of Industan has required the "liberation" of part of Baluchistan. On the positive side, the CSA has obtained its main objective in occupying the Saudi oil fields. However, both the Soviets and the Anglo-French are now mobilizing forces of their own and issuing increasingly stiff diplomatic notes. The CSA government is betting that they are bluffing: the Soviets and Europeans are hardly going to start Great War III over the Saudis, right?
Bruce
PS - yes, no Saddam Hussein: I just couldn't stretch suspension of disbelief quite that far...
And a few others too. Bruce, methinks you should start proof-reading
Indeed. Take a gander at the location of 31.
My take on Grey Wolf's dream / scenario, which, for lack of a better name, I will call "The Grand Duchy of Salonika (Napoleonic)". The presumed PoD is Napoleon and Tsar Alexander I agree in 1812 to partition the Ottoman Empire between them. Sixty-three years later, Britain, France, and Russia are the world's great powers, and Europe seems to teeter on the brink of the first major continental war since the end of the Napoleonic Wars. France has lost goodwill in Germany and Spain due to it's long occupation of Catalonia and the west bank of the Rhine, but in her ally, heavily industrialized Trebizond, unbeknownst outside the borders of Salonika, a state arsenal is preparing the first prototype of an armored traction engine that could change the face of war...
Emperor-of-New-Zealand
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Right here. Was too big to upload on site.
Wowzers! I like how Austria consists of Bohemia
. Why wouldn't they rename it Bohemia?French Eastern Med. seems a little unlikely too, but that may be because nobody's used to seeing Anatolia colonised
. Very cool.Wowzers! I like how Austria consists of Bohemia
Didn't think of that. This isn't really an era I'm an expert on. Technically they do still have the eastern half or so of Austria, including Vienna, but in hindsight it's pretty much Bohemia now. Some other things are probably off too, particularly the borders of the German states, and I don't know how to do curved text in Inkscape, if there is a way to, so I rather sloppily did it by hand. I also now realize I forgot to put the color for Bourbon Italy in the key. For the record, it's aligned with the Entente.
French Eastern Med. seems a little unlikely too, but that may be because nobody's used to seeing Anatolia colonised
French Anatolia seemed out there to me too, but is an integral part of the scenario. And thanks.
Shouldn't Bourbon Italy be a member of the "Entente" (an ill-fitting name for an anti-French alliance)?
Emperor-of-New-Zealand
Kicked
I'm sure the new Bohemian leadership will make good use of the universities in Vienna then
. I wouldn't worry too much about the borders of Germany.- Status