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I really do like this map, but how did Britain manage to conquer most of Asia and Africa? And the U.S.? Wow............and 'Decades of Darkness' was already pushing the envelope{especially since no other nation existed in Central America by 1910, it seems} but this is a bit extreme even for 2011........also, I'd like to advise that you fix the borders of Montana, Idaho, Wash., and whatever replaced Brit. Col. :)

Meh, since this was more a mapmaking experiment than an excercise in plausible history I didn't think too much about it other than China collapsed into warlordism and the European powers moved in to dismantle it. The British kept all the French colonial possesions after the Napoleonic Wars (that's my POD) and got a lot of the rest by fighting other European powers and taking their colonies. As for the US, they just took manifest destiny a bit far and never stopped. I have no idea how the borders in Columbia got so messed up:rolleyes:

Oh and glad you like the map:)
 
Ok: a fairly random one, from a world where Burr and some other adventurers ended up playing a rather large role in the history of Mexico, the British did better in an alt-1812 war, and butterflies happened.

In 2010 the world is fairly peaceful, if a bit backwards (technology is 1940s-1950s, nobody has built a nuke yet, and colonialism is still in the process of being dismantled). There have been a number of small and middle-sized wars, (Russians and Germans: Chinese and Japanese: British and Ottomans: US and Mexico: etc.) but no "all great powers together" civilization-cracker, and society is conservative by our standards.

It's a bit less racist than our world at a similar point in its development, there being several non-European success stories to look at: the descendants of US slaves (the US was much bigger on the "ship them back to Africa" idea, which dovetailed neatly with greater enthusiasm for "white man's burden" notions) have played a vital role in the creation of a sizeable and functional federation in Africa, Japan modernized as OTL and in turn was pushed off the mainland by a modernizing (capitalist but still one-party state) China, and British India has been reorganized on the Kingdom model, with four Indian states now having comparable political status to Ireland, Scotland, Australis, etc.

Germany united on a fairly loose federal model under Austrian rather than Prussian leadership, and after the messy collapse of the Russian Empire in the 1960s has been content with its dominant position in Europe. Such political oddities as the clerical-*fascist regime in southern Russia or the "peasant communes" of South America and Sicily are a bit worrisome, but there is no "great enemy" of capitalist-parliamentary government such as the Soviet block OTL (The French Progressive Republic is one-party leftist but hardly totalitarian, and in any event too busy manfully struggling to turn tens of millions of Africans in dark-skinned Frenchmen to be much of a threat to the major powers).

Even the French support, if in a bit of a lukewarm manner, the Alliance of Nations, a UN-equivalent currently coordinating the peacekeeping forces in the former Boer republic (never incorporated by the British empire, having successfully captured a land corridor to the coast before the Brits put the boot in).

Bruce
 
And here's the map to go with the lip-flapping.

Bruce

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Thande

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Nice ideas Bruce, I like how it doesn't feel "different for the sake of being different". Also I think this model for India is far more likely than the more usually seen version of it all becoming a single dominion.

My only criticism is I think you mean Neo-Jacobin rather than Neo-Jacobite, as I doubt the French's dominant ideology involves returning the Stuarts to the thrones of England, Scotland and Ireland ;)
 
Nice ideas Bruce, I like how it doesn't feel "different for the sake of being different". Also I think this model for India is far more likely than the more usually seen version of it all becoming a single dominion.

My only criticism is I think you mean Neo-Jacobin rather than Neo-Jacobite, as I doubt the French's dominant ideology involves returning the Stuarts to the thrones of England, Scotland and Ireland ;)


D'Oh!

Bruce
 

Nietzsche

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My first map made using Illustrator. Enjoy :)

P.S. anyone know how I could become a contributor in the Alternate Worlds group on Deviantart?
*insert beautiful Prussia here*

I love you. Would you like to unzip your trousers, as I feel the need to give you a present.
 
Something that I threw together...I shamelessly stole Mexico and the USA from an awesome map a few pages back. :D

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Map is ATL 1908; POD is 1847.

A more successful 1848 due to different events in the Sonderbund War; butterflies and chaos ensue. Germany and Italy unite earlier, Austrian Empire collapses. Without a Franco-Prussian War, and following the return of the Republic following Napoleon III's assassination in 1855 Germany and France enjoy very cordial relations. Switzerland is smaller, Tyrol is only the Hapsburg kingdom left. The Ottomans lose some of their Balkan holdings but not all of them as in OTL; on the other hand Italy has taken Tunis and Tripoli, Britain holds Libya and Egypt, and France has Algeria and Morocco. As well though they are nominally apart of the Ottoman Empire, the House of Rasheed has united most of the Arab lands under their control; the House of Saud is still a significant threat for the Rasheed.

African colonialism happens very differently, with France and Britain unable to work out their differences, but the British have difficulties juggling colonial ambitions while maintaining a naval presence that could defeat both France and Germany in a stand up fight. Germany and Italy still get into the colonial game later than the other powers, but while Italy focuses on home and 'historical territories' Germany looks far abroad, taking the Kongo and Somalia in addition to OTL's Togo. Ethiopia becomes a French protectorate as part of their big to create a West-East axis of control across the Sahel to control the previously established trans-Sahel and trans-Saharan trade routes. Britain does better than IOTL on the East Africa coast, though the Boer Republics are still a burr in her side.

The Crimean War is butterflied away, though Russia and the Ottomans do get into a fight, but only after the Russians have to suffer through a Franco-German backed Polish uprising that creates a successful Polish state (which later federates with ATL's Czecho-Slovakia to form the Slavic Commonwealth, which largely acts as buffer between Russia and Germany). When the big Russian-Ottoman war comes the Franco-Germans back the Ottomans and are wildly successful in breaking the back of Russia and setting up puppet states (Belorussia, Malorussia & the Baltic Duchy), while Finland and the Viceroyalty of the Caucasus break away. Japan takes the Amur. The resulting socio-economic chaos lead to the Tsars being overthrown and eventually the Republic of Grand Russia is proclaimed.

In North America decreased European (especially German & Italian), and therefore lack of cheap labor for rapid industrialization, leads to the South maintaining its stranglehold on the halls of governance. Butterflies in Europe change Spain position vis-à-vis Cuba, and the US purchases it in 1854 and rapidly becomes a slave-state, upsetting the balance of power even further. With things stacked their way the southerns in the Senate carve large territories into a few Western states to maintain their hold on power in the Senate, as well as carving three new southern states out of the Oklahoma and Arizona territories, and allowing slavery into the Indian territory. They even go as far as engineering the US purchasing/capturing other Caribbean islands after the successful assimilation of Cuba. European emigration picks up again ~1870 following the Polish Uprising, mostly Russians and various Eastern Europeans, a trend that picks up again ~1880 following the Russian-Ottoman war and the collapse of Russia. Embittered Northerners; abolitionists, industrialists, Republicans (big 'R'), as well as industrial-socialists, and the increasing numbers of European emigrates, combine with Mid-West populists, christian-democrats, and agrarian-socialists finally lash out - seceding in early 1906. The war is short but brutal, and largely results in the North and Mid-West successful breaking away to form their own American Federal Republic. The Western and Pacific states declared their neutrality during the conflict, and while they are still nominally apart of United States they are de facto independent. The new nation is the most 'socialist' capitalist nation extant due to the highly important role of the urban and rural socialists during the revolt.

The Belgian leadership, great and small, are largely and historically paranoid about the all-too cozy relations ATL between France and Germany on either side, both of whom have irredentist nationalist aims to invade and divide the country (German and Dutch-speaking Belgians deserve to properly be in the German Reich, and visa-versa for the French Walloons). Starting rapidly after German Unification, and increasingly so after the Franco-German entente after Napoleon III's assassination, leads the to state taxing the populace more and more to pay for increasingly large and redundant defensive lines and fortresses surrounding and criss-crossing the country to defend against the 'inevitable' Franco-German invasion. As well the monarchy cracks down hard on dissidents, especially on striking workers in the industrial Flemish-south. Perhaps most importantly, the stifling and archaic suffrage and voting system used in the country at the time leaves much of the populace without officially recognized means of complaint and improvement of their own nation. After nearly 60 years or boiling on the burner, Belgium finally explodes in social revolution, experiencing a bottom-up communist revolt that quickly takes over the offices of government, the industrial capacities, and most importantly the extensive defensive measures of the county in the midst of the American Civil War. By the dawn of 1908 a Marxist-Communist (as opposed to the AFR's rather soft-handed populist-socialist) regime is rooted deep in the heart of Western Europe, bunkered deep within the most heavily fortified piece of territory upon the planet.

No changes to South America or Australasia due to author ignorance.

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Not meant to overtake anyone else's map, but:

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Don't worry, it's not an ASB FH, as the Point of Divergence is as far back as colonial times.

I'm not revealing much, but for the nation specifically, think of a North Korea-like nation which reformed in the early '80s and is going through a long-term economic boom (ala OTL PRC).

Is one safe in assuming that there in no Panama Canal in this TL?
 
MY EYES!!!!! :eek:

Just goes to show you that yes, America can get that much worse...I can see it now..."Only In America do we let 6 year olds draw our borders!" ;)

You have much to learn my Padawan.... :)
That's why i normally never draw internal borders... but i saw the territory tcs colours... couldn't resist, but you do have to keep in mind that America is a no such thing, ttl. It's called Nord Domicibola bye most people, is labeled 'Terra Septentrio Domicilia Diaboli' on proper maps and official record, is inhabited mostly bye Irish, Russians, and natives, is a hot spot for illegel alcohol production,and is just completely different. I mean, the country with the Mexico colour is The Magyaestada, a Portuguese diarchy ruled bye two old Hungarian women, which revolted from Portugal, after Magyari Domicibola was sold to Ireland, then lost to Portugal in GW1. The USA couloured country is the Farmer's republic of south Canadaland, populated bye former slaves sent there bye the Irish to farm cotton, but who revolted when Ireland was busy being beaten bye Mutapaland in Africa... Also, the greatest world powers are, Burgundy, Prussia, Ireland, Russia, Saruhan, Hungary (these two tied), Portugal, and China in that order. The Reason the East indies (Oceania, ttl Trotellerra) are un touched bye Europe is that they had helped ignite GW1 and as part of the peace treaty, they where abandon bye europeans... so the Chinese are slowly eating them, much to the hate of the colonial powers.
 
The year is 1480. No explanation or story behind this, but I was thinking of a good one. Nothing coming to mind. Main focus is the unification of the Holy Roman Empire, and Christianity's resistance of Islam (Balkans, Holy Land [Israel], Asia Minor, Caucasus, etc etc.).

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Goldstein

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Well, as I stated earlier, there *may* have been a connection between the Basque language and Iberian, but evidence is too scarce to say for a certain what kind of relationship that really was. It may have been that these were merely Basque loans from Iberian (or vice versa), but it's impossible to tell since Iberian is rather poorly attested.

There's also the fact of some Logudorese Sardinian pre-Latin words being surprisingly close to their Euskera equivalents, which is interesing given it's the most Conservative Romance language. But, as you say, there's not enough evidence yet to give a solid veredict.

MY EYES!!!!! :eek:

Just goes to show you that yes, America can get that much worse...I can see it now..."Only In America do we let 6 year olds draw our borders!" ;)

You have much to learn my Padawan.... :)

Eye-sore? Yes, but not a bad map per se. Think OTL has straight-ugly borders as well. A man from a divergent enough ATL could scream in horror at the stare of OTL Central Asia or Africa...
 
No problem. I'm a contributor and tried to see if I could add you. Couldn't figure it out so I messaged the founder. If Neethis doesn't get to you in a week or so PM and I will try and figure it out again.

A good German-wank always deserves recognition.

Sounds good. I believe I'm already a member but only realized a few days ago that I need to have my status upgraded to be able to submit things.

Shouldn't that be *Nazis then? :)

Nice-looking map BTW.

Bruce

I don't get what you mean.

But thank you. :)

I love you. Would you like to unzip your trousers, as I feel the need to give you a present.

I laughed. :p
 
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