Map Thread VI

Status
Not open for further replies.
It's not exactly a territory. It's a self-governing unorganized territory; since the population density in central Mexico is so high, it had to be made a territory until the development level matched the rest of the U.N., at which point it will be organized into states that will join the U.N.


I'm more worried for the folks under that communist blob.

Well, it's more like modern-day China than the USSR.
 
Not a very special map, just a bit of a wanked CSA... Anyway there are a few PODs in here so bear with it. Before the Civil War 'Southern California' succesfully splits off from the rest of California, though it's still in the Union (but slightly pro-Confederacy). The CSA goes along much the same way it did IOTL, though in Europe there's no famine in the 1860's as there was IOTL. This meant there was (at the time) much less demand for wheat from the Union by European powers.

The Civil War begins after Union troops attack Confederate troops in a surprise attack, this leads to the Union as being viewed as the aggressor by various border states and the world. After the attack numerous states secede as they did IOTL, though Kentucky joins them and Missouri is now more pro-Confederacy, though they had a dual government as per OTL. Also in the summer of 1861 the Confederacy government accepts Santiago Vidaurri's proposal and thus the CSA annexes the Nuevo Leon and Coahuila as a single state of Coahuila while placing a regiment of Texas troops and artillery for his use in a Mexican revolution.

Arizona is taken by the CSA, and the state of Lower California is taken relatively easily as it was quite pro-Confederacy anyway. The Trent Affair occurs as per OTL. Though now with the US looking aggressive and the heightened want for cotton over wheat the British government officially recognizes the CSA. And not long after the Second Anglo-American War begins, alongside the Franco-American War as Napoleon III officially declared his support for Britain and the Confederacy.

The heightened number of French troops placed in Mexico under the auspice of wanting to help the CSA the revolution began by Santiago Vidaurri is put down. Though Coahuila was still kept by the CSA and officially recognized by the French Empire as being a state of the Confederacy.

The Union Blockade of the Confederacy is obliterated by the British, after which the Cotton industry continues and industry booms. The economy of the Confederacy also continues to rise with this trade continuing, while the US economy begins to slump as the Royal Navy begins its own smaller blockade of the shortened Union Atlantic coastline. In Canada the British troops take up a defensive position in the East, where American troops begin to push against Canada. In the West however minor pushes are made into the United States with British troops taking the Washington territory.

The Civil War ends in 1864 with a rather embarressing defeat for the Union. In the peace treaty while the Union is allowed to keep West Virginia the Confederacy keep all the territory it gained in the war (including Oklahoma), though Missouri stuck with the Union. Also Britain was granted Washington in return for a halt on British aid to the Sioux tribe in Dakota.

In 1867 the British buy the Alaskan panhandle for a small price from Russia.

In Mexico however the nation is undergoing a tough time. After the American Civil War numerous military personnel who didn't have a good job to go back to began to filibuster into Mexico, taking the whole region of Beja California and Sonora. These were turned into republics and annexed by the CSA rapidly as the silver mines would hopefully be used to rebuild the Confederacy economy faster.

However in 1867 the CSA demands French troops leave Mexico, while IOTL the French listened to the USA they don't listen to the CSA in this TL as the CSA is perceived as weaker. However unluckily for the French the Luxembourg Crisis gets out of hand leading to both Prussia and France going to war with each other. Viewing this as their chance the Confederacy goes to war with the 'Second Mexican Empire' (and indirectly the French Empire). As Confederate troops march into Mexico a massive revolution spreads throughout the nation. Yucatan even declares independence while the interior of Mexico revolts against Maximilian. The French troops hold for a while, allowing Confederate troops to effectively occupy the Mexican states of Chihuahua and Tamaulipas. In the end though the French are defeated in both Europe and Mexico, Europe in 1868 and Mexico 1869.

In Mexico the new government and the CSA sign the Treaty of Austin. This allows the Confederacy to annex Chihuahua and Tamaulipas as a 'thanks' for supporting the Revolution, while the Mexicans gain a military alliance with the Confederates in case other European powers attempt to take it over again. The Republic of Yucatan is left out of the treaty but they still claim independence, and have built up a relatively good army with some effective defensive fortresses along the Mexican border. Thus Mexico is forced to recognize it.

In Europe the Northern German States have united after the Franco-Prussian War, while the southern German states are officially allied to Germany after the war viewing the French as trying to throw their weight around. Luxembourg stays independent but is an ally of Germany now with German troops still stationed in Luxembourg City. Also Germany annexed a portion of Lorraine that speaks Germany.

In the late 1870's the Anglo-Venezuelan War occurred, and Britain managed to gain the very extreme claim it had territorially. Also the Mosquito Coast is officially declared a British Protectorate. The USA looks on in anger though is currently unable to fight the British with its economy still in a bit of a slump.

Minor quibble, your Manitoba is a tad too far to the east.
 
I was wondering what the Basque homeland was called. And for all this time I've referred to it as "The Basque Country".

Thank you Iori. You've saved me a trip to Wikipedia ;)

Ah, glad I could be helpful.


*EDIT*
Cool map btw, I guess that the Republicans won Spanish Civil War?

In a sense, basically the coalition of anti-Conservatives won the first (half of the) civil war, while the Syndicalists wone the second (half of the) civil war.
 
A nice fictional continent I made from scratch, no borders of any sort yet. Looks almost like it could be a map in one of them Paradox computer games. I can make a blank non terrian version if anyone would like it.

Exworld.png
 
Behold the horrors of a British America....
3rd ever map.
With a German Texas and French Mormon equivalent state
and a mildly wanked Super Sweden, because I fear IKEA...


BritishAmerica.png
 
Behold the horrors of a British America....
3rd ever map.
With a German Texas and French Mormon equivalent state
and a mildly wanked Super Sweden, because I fear IKEA...

Did you divide Brazil between Dutch and Portuguese? If so, giving the Dutch the north would make more sense. At least to me. At one time, the Dutch did control Recife, and they also had Suriname.
 
I give you another one of my central powers win the Great War maps.

A few facts about North America:
During this worlds analogue of the Great Depression Newfoundland became part of the United States. The Maritimes would join the Union in 1985 after Quebec gained independence in 1976. In 1999 British Colombia gained independence from Canada as the Cascade Republic. In the mid forties Joseph Stalin, Che Guevara, and the Castro brothers started a Civil was in Mexico. The US could not tolerate a Communist Mexico and in 1945 the US intervened in the Second Mexican Revolution. The orchestrators of the revolution eluded capture, but the Revolution was crushed and most of northern Mexico was annexed by the United States. After a similar event in Cuba the US annexed the island puppet. The US is a more conservative nation ITTL, that being said it is by no means isolationist. It is a permanent member of the CN. The Civil Nations is this world’s version of the UN. It is made up of the great powers and some of the lesser powers and is devoted to keeping order in the world. Any state that is declared a rogue nation by three out of the seven permanent members of the Security Council is kicked out of the CN and has sever trade and economic sanctions placed on it. If that is not enough then four out of the five Council members are needed to vote for war against subject nation.


A few things About Europe:

The Great War saw Germany, Austria-Hungary, Bulgaria, and to some degree the Ottoman Empire prove victorious against France, Russia, and Britain. The collapse of Russia and only three months later France insured that Britain would make peace. In 1918 Britain and Italy made peace with the Central powers. In France civil war raged between the Tri-Colors and the Red for another two years. The bloody conflict finally ended with the Napoléon Victor Jérôme Frédéric Bonaparte, Napoleon V, placed on the throne of an authoritarian military run France. In Russia the Whites would not prove as victorious against the Reds as the French had. The Kaiser hated the Communist slime with a passion and ever regretted not doing more to try and save Russia from the communists. He would asked his cousin Michael Alexandrovich of Russia (younger brother to the murdered Nicholas II) to become the Czar of Belarus. In 1926 Napoleon V passed away and his young son became Emperor of France. That same year Bulgaria and Ottoman Turkey, former allies, went to war in the First Bulgar-Turk War. Bulgaria captured Constantinople as well as gaining a toe hold in Asia Minor. In the mid-thirties Italy and Spain, like France and Russia before them, fell into civil war. In Italy Conservative monarchists waged war against the Communists lead by Mussolini. In Spain, Francisco Franco led the Nationalists against the Communists. In both conflicts France and Germany sent troops, aid, and weapons to the Nationalist while Trotsky’s USSR sent aid and troops to the Communist. In Spain the Nationalists proved victorious against the Communists and united the country under the de facto rule of Franco with the King retaining De jure control. In Italy the civil war would prove far less decisive with two distinct Italy’s coming into existence. In 1938 the Habsburg Empire which had begun taking steps towards becoming a confederation of independent states in the early 20s finally achieved its goal. Charles I now reined, symbolically, as emperor of the Habsburg confederation. In 1945 a border skirmish between Red army soldiers and Ukrainian troops led to the War of Communist Aggression. The USSR launched an in invasion of Ukraine, prompting Germany, the Habsburg Confederation, Belarus, Bulgaria, and France to declare war on the USSR. The powers of Europe were not prepared to wage the war that had begun. The USSR launched a massive invasion of the Eastern European nations using tanks as their spear head. The Allied force did not at first deploy their tanks in a useful fashion and the Soviet advance was not halted until it had almost overrun all of Belarus. The Soviets sent wave after wave of tanks against the allies in a brutal campaign that led to the deaths of millions. By late 1947 the Soviet machine was fighting not in Ukraine of Belarus, but in the Soviet Union itself. Then the device that would change the world made itself known. On December 3rd 1947 Germany dropped the first Atomic bomb on Leningrad. A second bomb was dropped on Trotskygrad and the third and final bomb was dropped on Moscow. The Soviet Union was unable to surrender as it collapsed. The Allied powers would spend years in Russia stabilizing the nation. In 1954 France became the second power to use an atom bomb in war. Though Communism in Russia had essentially been quashed it still survived around the globe. In French Indochina, Communist freedom fighters waged a guerrilla war against French forces. On May 1st 1954 France dropped an atom bomb on the Communist controlled city Hanoi. The French, with aid from the Chinese who had crushed the communist within their own nation, defeated the Communists, and French Indochina remains a French colony to this day.



Other Interesting facts:

-The seven permanent members of the Security Council are Germany, France, America, Great Britain, the Habsburg Confederation, Russia-Belarus, and Bulgaria.

-The CN was founded in 1967.

-The Kingdom of Australia was born into existence during the late fifties to create a counter balance to Japan.

-Bulgaria and Turkey have fought four wars since the end of the Great War.

-The Kingdom of Israel is a constitutional monarchy set up by Bulgaria after the Second Bulgar-Turk War. It and Kurdistan are Bulgaria’s two greatest allies in the region.

- British India was broken into several nations during the process of decolonization. None are nuclear capable.

- There has yet to be a war between the European nations since the end of War of Communist Agression.

- The French Empire, German Empire, and Kingdom of Spain are currently constitutional monarchies.

- It is likely that Russia and Belarus will finally unify by 2015.

OCC: What do you think?

2010 Alt.png
 
The USSR launched a massive invasion of the Eastern European nations using tanks as their spear head. The Allied force did not at first deploy their tanks in a useful fashion and the Soviet advance was not halted until it had almost overrun all of Belarus.

I would think that, how it sounds and depending on Soviet war potential compared to OTL, that a 'massive tank spearhead' would rather easily overrun all of Belarus, considering the terrain, and even move into parts of Germany/Poland and such.

Plus that makes for a better story :)

Otherwise, neat concept, and good map.

Oh, and what's up with Nigeria?
 
Last edited:
Decided to do a map for a Carlton Bach post from a while back...

(What follows is Carlton's)

"General Francis Xavier Sigel strained to make out the moving dots of enemy
infantry through his binoculars. Grey-coated men carrying long rifles,
plodding forward weary and footsore, officers in green coats and - Yes! He
could hardly believe his eyes. The Peobrashenskoye Guards Regiment. What
honor to a humble commoner, he chuckled into his moustache. Very well, they
would learn that one didn't tangle with the might of Republican Europe.
"Citizen Riveaulx," he ordered, turning to the young staff galloper "order
Citizen General Havelock to prepare all batteries to fire on their line as
it clears the ridge!". "Yes, Citizen General!" the young man snapped and
jumped into the saddle, waiting impatiently for a staff corporal to
scribble the order down. Smilingly, Sigel remembered that Havelock did not
relish the revolutionary apellation. Very well - after today, everyone in
Europe would be proud of it.

Few people would argue that the legitimist school of political thought,
advocating the divine right to rule, had anything to recommend it, and in
this Alternate a series of spectacular failures of absolute rulers starting
in 1821 with Charles of Spain and continuing to the inexorable slide into
madness of the paralytic king Frederick William IV of Prussia further
discredited any such idea. Thus when the revolutions of 1848 shook the
capitals of Europe thrones tumbled left and right. France and Wurttemberg,
then Belgium, the Netherlands, Piedmont, the Sicilies, Portugal, Saxony,
Denmark and Hungary became republics while Prussia, Sweden, Austria,
Bavaria and Tuscany remained constitutional monarchies.

The sweeping
success of the revolutionary movement provoked forceful and savage backlash
as the monarchs of Prussia, Austria and Sicily reasserted their power and
led their armies to crush the republican states. The campaign proved
unsuccessful, with the Prussian army suffering heavy defeat in the battle
of Emden. The Rhenish Confederation under the leadership of Baden and
Wurttemberg proclaimed the German Republic, driving away Prussian troops
with the support of the newly formed French National Assembly. Austria
fared even worse as Hungary and Bohemis defeated the emperor's troops and
proclaimed themselves independent nations and democracies. Russia, the
dreaded defender of autocracy, chose to stay out of the conflict
altogether, kept busy with a serf uprising in Ukraine. By 1851, the new
political landscape of Europe gelled.

The absolutist powers, marginalised by the sweeping success of the
revolutions, were left spoiling for a rematch, and they got it in 1854.
Conflict between Russia and Turkey sparked war with France and its allies,
with Britain joining in in defense of its strategic interests. Fighting in
the Crimea quickly bogged down, but with a French-engineered friendly
neutrality treaty with Denmark, a united Anglo-French fleet steamed into
the Baltic in 1855 to jog things along. The Battle of Kronstadt ended with
the destruction of Russia's fleet and coastal defenses by armored 'floating
mortars' and a firestorm in the city of St. Petersburg that horrified even
the besieging allies. This atrocity - an estimated 50,000 people died -
gave propagandist ammunition to the legitimists and deft politicking drew
Prussia and Austria into the war on Russia's side in an invasion of Germany
and Hungary. Britain attempted briefly to disengage from the conflict, but
committed itself after Russian attempts to destabilise its Indian
possessions came to be known. Outrage at Russian promises of plunder and
rulership in India to Afghan and Central Asian rulers united Indian public
opinion behind the Raj, however briefly.

In the war to follow, young Badensian officer Francis Xavier Sigel came to
the fore as a military genius - 'our age's Napoleon', as an admiring French
general called him - thrashing the Prussian army under Manteuffel and
moving a united Franco-German force into Saxony to meet the Russian
advance. In a three-day series of battles around Goerlitz and Reichenberg
in June 1857, the Russian army was shattered under the withering fire of
Sigel's artillery and riflemen. A Polish uprising, supported by the allied
armies, compounded the fall of Russia's power in Europe, and Austria was
obliged to sue for peace.

In America, meanwhile, the developments in Europe were widely greeted with
enthusiasm. For several years after 1848, immigration dipped and many
democrats in exile even left for their ancestral homes. The western
migration stalled, then recommenced at a lesser rate. This unbalance would
make itself felt come the Civil War, which broke out in 1860. Even with
European support for the Union, which was reluctantly forthcoming after the
Emancipation Proclamation, the Confederacy could not be conquered, and the
peace treaty of Montreal, brokered by the British, cemented Southern
independence. The United States retained most of the West and the financial
and industrial preponderance, but their unity was lost forever.

In the years following the First Russian War, the democratic governments of
Europe began constructing a framework within which to coordinate their
policies and create the harmony and understanding that would ensure future
peace. Needless to say, they failed. As election results and political
conflicts of interest pulled apart governments, loyalty to a united
republican Europe became a mere phrase to be trotted out at celebratory
occasions. By 1874, Russia could even reckon with a reasonable chance of
success when it offered an alliance to Germany with the goal of recovering
Schleswig-Holstein from Denmark and dividing up Poland. The matter came
before the Reichskammer and was defeated by a mere seventeen votes.

Europe
began worrying. Shortly afterwards, France and Britain declared that they
would not accept the arbitration of the Permanent Pan-European Congress in
any disputes regarding their overseas possessions. Italy started to wonder
aloud about the rightful ownership of Nice and the Riviera. Tensions rose in the
Balkans, where Europe's Slavic nations opposed Turkey in several wars that
France and Germany attempted to stop while Russia supported them according
to its new Panslavic policies. Altogether, things were deteriorating. St.
Petersburg began hoping.

The intervening years were also a period of political upheaval, when newly
constituted labor unions and workingman's fraternities and parties used the
power given to them by the vote and their collective bargaining powers to
push their nations into a distinctly Socialist direction. Welfare programs,
unemployment insurance and medical coverage were instituted, mandatory
public education extended to ten years and the powers of employers cut
back. Calls for the nationalisation or collectivisation of several
industries were voiced and occasionally heeded, though more commonly
cooperative societies used peaceful means to ensure control of their
business. Interest-free government loans were made available for staff
buyouts and expropriated aristocratic estates divided among the tenantry.
Such policies were not instituted everywhere to the same degree, but they
were felt throughout the continent. Not well received in America, they
eventually made their entry through the People's Party of 1882, an alliance
of granger and labor union movements.

In June 1886, it was Russia's time for revenge. Calling on the Slavic
nations to throw off the alien yoke of democracy in favor of legitimist
rule, Russian armies advanced on Poland and Hungary. Germany initially
proclaimed neutrality, though the Reichkammer allowed French troops to pass
through German territory in defense of Poland. The charade ended by
October, when Russian ships bombarded Rostock and Lübeck. Once again, the
aging military genius Sigel worked his magic, rallying the unprepared
armies of democratic Europe to roll back the Russian advance. Nonetheless
it took two years of savage fighting, mired in the wide lands of eastern
Poland and Ukraine, before the peace of Goteborg reinstated the status quo.

The Second Russian War brought about a period of cold war, resulting in the
establishment of the European Council, a body to coordinate the military
efforts, the nationalised railways, mining industries and foreign policies
of the allies (France, Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Bohemia,
Hungary, Poland and Greece, later to be joined by Italy, Spain, Portugal,
Sweden, Switzerland and Austria) in the face of a renewed Russian threat.
Proxy wars fought in Korea, China and the Hindu Kush determined the
politics of the 90s and early 1900s, and even America was drawn into the
fray as Russia, fearing for its Alaskan possessions, approached the
Confederate States (itself pursuing an aggressive policy in the Caribbean
and Central America) with an offer of alliance. Old fears were restoked as
Richmond debated and accepted a friendly neutrality and undertook to
guarantee Alaska against US aggression (largely because Washington had
publicly told them not to).

The war of 1908-15, sparked by a minor incident in the Baltic, quickly
deteriorated into universal conflict as first the governments of Europe,
then Britain, the Confederacy, the United States, and many Latin American
states were drawn into the maelstrom. By now, Europe lacked the inspired
leadership of the early wars, and advanced weaponry mired the combatants on
fronts ranging from Finnmarken to Bessarabia, from the Khyber to the Yalu
and from Esquimalt to the Potomac. Initial Russian successes in Poland and
the Black Sea were countered by serious reverses in Manchuria and the
conquest of Alaska by a Canadian army. US troops advanced into Confederate
territory, though command of the American seas fell into dispute as the US
Navy was defeated at Cape Tiburon. Then Russia's secret diplomacy came to
fruition: egged on by Confederate promises of help, South Africa, Rhodesia,
Kenya and Mocambique declared their independence as the White African
Union. Three attempts at reconquest failed as Russian and Confederate arms
poured into rebel hands.

By 1912 the war had turned into a costly stalemate on all fronts. The
situation changed only after Richmond approached London with a suggestion
for a separate peace, an offer which was negotiated and accepted in 1913.
British and US aid and arms freed from their own fronts flowed into Europe,
allowing the allies to drive their first offensive as far as Kiev. In July
1914, Moscow was taken and the final blow struck. Russian provinces seceded
in droves, establishing independent nations. The peace of Zarskoye Syelo
negotiated in February 1915 sealed the humiliation of proud Russia, and
instigated the revolution that drove away the Czarist regime that year.
Seven years of war and an estimated 40 million dead had decided the future
of the world in favor of liberty - or so it was said.

In reality, nothing is ever so simple. Decolonisation, beginning in 1926
with the granting of Dominion status to India and the establishment of
self-government in French Indochina, proceeded in fits and starts,
punctuated by dirty little wars and political crises. The South African
Union, torchbearer of white supremacy, sabotaged the process at every turn.
Surprisingly enough, the Confederacy distanced itself from its embarrassing
onetime ally after the atrocious Angolan Wars of 1941-43 and even granted
formal equality to its black population in 1973. Europe's ever closer
union, a winning proposition even after the temporary loss of the eastern
enemy, established itself as the world's paramount industrial power, though
the United States and Japan are running close seconds.

The current present is 1987. Saint Simon is pushing into TL8 in many areas,
driven by Europe's longstanding pride in technological progress and an
unceasing flow of funding into research, especially the prestigious grands
projets. A Channel tunnel has been completed, followed by a dam across the
straits of Gibraltar (debates as to whether the Mediterranean should be
turned into a plain are ongoing). Politics in most advanced nations are
dominated by consensus-seeking interest groups, in particular the powerful
European Workers' Fraternities (in effect labor monopolies negotiating
wages on behalf of their membership) and civil service associations. Public
projects ensure near-universal employment, and an ambitious space program
captivates the imagination, though people increasingly complain of rigidity
and stagnation. Political conflict still is far from universal resolution,
with Europe's alliance with the US at best tenuous and its enmity with a
democratic but impoverished and grudge-holding Russia and the South African
Union and its Arab allies firmly cemented. Fear of nuclear weapons,
currently owned by Europe, Britain, the United States, the Confederate
States, Japan and India, has so far prevented the situation from
escalating, but proxy wars are depressingly common.

GM's Corner: Adventuring in Saint Simon
The world of Saint Simon puts the PCs before a cononudrum as it affects
many of the trappings of our latter-day Evil Empire - Soviet Russia -
without sharing its brutal philosophy or inhumane practises. Feel free to
throw the odd People's Comissar at your adventurers and have him turn out
genuinely helpful and kind. However, Saint Simon is overbureaucratised and,
in its overarching concern for the common good, can often seem to be
uncaring of individuals. Its officials are best painted as genuinely
committed and hard-working, but helpless in the face of a ponderous
machinery of state. Note also that while this world is prosperous by its
own standards, it is not as rich as ours and the cities of its Europe and
America are dominated more by apartment blocks and bicycles than suburbs
and cars."

Bruce

StSimon.png
 
this is a WIP map of the world around the end of the 13th century in a book that im writing. the book itself is split into three stories that at first seem to be completely seperate, but are actually all in the same canon and the first two stories eventually converge to a joint conclusion; the third story is set in the future and has no impact on or from the first two

the teal part of eastern canada is supposed to be viking settlements, but i may erase that later

the large island in the atlantic is the fictional island of Meropis (named after a real parody of atlantis; this is in no way based on the turtledove novels--i came up with the idea long before i even heard of turtledove). Meropis and the OTL Azores are all part of a group of countries known as the Meropian Confederation, which are divided into six seperate kingdoms: North Kingdom (founded by vikings), West Kingdom (founded by byzantines), East Kingdom (founded by english), South Kingdom (founded by germans from the HRE), Lanthano (founded by non-human natives, somewhat analogous to amerindian nations in that they were expelled from their previous lands and must now inhabit the considerably less-fertile southernmost regions), and Kalalit (the OTL Azores). Meropis is where the second story takes place until the last installment of the series, when the characters travel to mainland europe, africa, and asia

bright green shows the Mali Empire. i plan for Mansa Musa to appear in a minor historical divergence where he lives a bit longer than he actually did

light blue is the Mameluke Sultanate

the grayish country is the Byzantine Empire

gold shows the Golden Horde :rolleyes: mongols are still a major player on the world scale here but have less influence in europe because of events further east

dull green is the Yuan Dynasty. this mongol state is planned to receive more press

red is the Delhi Sultanate

orange is the Majapahit, a lesser-known kingdom in indonesia

finally, dull red is Japan, which unifies as a somewhat unstable state much earlier than it did in actual history. i already worked out the divergences here, and it goes something like this: not too long after the Battle of Hakata Bay (still a japanese victory, but resulting in a Shinto revival), the Hojo Clan is about to replace the shogun of the time with a new one (the OTL Hojo Clan were teh de facto rulers of japan) but a group of samurai decide to oust them and completely annihilate the clan, ending with the death of Tokimune Hojo. unfortunately, a short but brutal civil war breaks out almost immediately afterwards that results in the deaths of not only the new shogun but also the Emperor Fushimi (in a freak accident; in this ATL he happens to be hit by a stray arrow when two rival factions clash outside his residence) and his most elligible successors. when the country threatens to fall into civil war again, a man named Takeshi Murakami (analogous to Tokugawa Ieyasu) arises as the new leader of a (fictional) cadet branch and happens to be the closest living relative to the late emperor. Murakami becomes emperor and his daughter Keiko is born soon after. Keiko is the first story's protagonist.

The World of Beginnings.png
 
I'm new at this so all give it a shot...

With a assassination of FDR in 1933 no "New Deal" had become in this timeline. Howard Scott and the Technocrats have been looked upon to guide the collapsing nation with much more popularity and the failing trust in there democratic government. The North American Technate was proclaimed by 1947 with the victory over the Axis in early 1945 with the help of Technocracy's total conscription plan. French, Belgian and Dutch Technocratic groups have been formed in the past but now have united to form the Western European Technate. Directories where set up in former French, Belgian and Dutch colonies to counter the Continental issues of sustainability as a substitute to a Technocratic governance. Many more nations of Western and Northern Europe have joined the European Technate by 1949.

Sorry about not following the Color code.

ThePostwarPlan.png


and the Ideologies.

ThePostwarPlanideology.png


Criticism is welcome!
 
I'm new at this so all give it a shot...

With a assassination of FDR in 1933 no "New Deal" had become in this timeline. Howard Scott and the Technocrats have been looked upon to guide the collapsing nation with much more popularity and the failing trust in there democratic government. The North American Technate was proclaimed by 1947 with the victory over the Axis in early 1945 with the help of Technocracy's total conscription plan. French, Belgian and Dutch Technocratic groups have been formed in the past but now have united to form the Western European Technate. Directories where set up in former French, Belgian and Dutch colonies to counter the Continental issues of sustainability as a substitute to a Technocratic governance. Many more nations of Western and Northern Europe have joined the European Technate by 1949.

Sorry about not following the Color code.



and the Ideologies.


Criticism is welcome!

A bit different. A quibble: if WWII was fought differently than OTL, the Eastern European borders shouldn't be so similar to ours.

And what exactly happened with those green countries around India?

Bruce
 
The Gibralat dam remind me of this :D :


Hey, didn't know Wiki had that map. Nice find.

Bruce

PS- definitely one of history's "didn't really think it through" ideas. The unpredictable climate changes and the loss of most existing seaports surely will be counterbalanced by the substantial gains in hot, barren, salt-covered wasteland! :D

Bruce
 

m2thet5678

Banned
Based on my first HoI2 game with the Soviet Union, starting in the Gotterdammerung scenario in 1944.

I quit the game after getting frustrated that my troops wouldn't invade Yugoslavia (before remembering the nonaggression pact) and that Finland was being smart (though they fought on after German surrender) and surrendering to the UK rather than to me (still got part of the territory). Yes I was a noob.

The US never dropped the bombs on Japan, so in the invasion I managed to scoop up Sinkiang, Manchuria, Korea, and Hokkaido.

After the map, Mao demanded back Sinkiang and Manchuria, claiming they were part of China. Stalin refused, and Mao left the Comintern in a fit.

HoI2 game.png
 
Hey, didn't know Wiki had that map. Nice find.

Bruce

PS- definitely one of history's "didn't really think it through" ideas. The unpredictable climate changes and the loss of most existing seaports surely will be counterbalanced by the substantial gains in hot, barren, salt-covered wasteland! :D

Bruce

Not necessarily.

If the dam is built so enough water is going through the strait to ensure that it only shrinks to a certain point, then their won't be that much of problem.

The seaports would be a problem, yes, though TBH, if it was built it would be by an entity that would have enough power that individual countries whining would'nt matter.
 
Top
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top