For those following my TL "The Federal Republic of America" here is a future map of 1803 featuring the Confederation of American States after its creation in the Treaty of Amiens.
Map Thread VI
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I know OTL the American Revolutonaries attacked Nassau, so that is in range and with precdent. But Jamaica? The RN should be able to strangle the island in the event of the Empire being driven off it. If the planters revolted the British would likely undercut them with an Etiopian Brigade strategy as for a slave revolt such a movement would not want to join with the salocrat/European descended nation.
Granted I can't write it off because stranger things have happened in history. But if it is to pass the boarders a good explanation will be needed.
Granted I can't write it off because stranger things have happened in history. But if it is to pass the boarders a good explanation will be needed.
Very well done.
It looks like a central power victory, then crushed with a French counterpart of OTL post war Germany. Though France would have given itself more territory on the Italian border. Such as Aosta Valley and the tip of Turin.
I like how Venetia and a rump Papal State are still going at it. And yeah, France is a bit wanky here.
Herr Frage made a point I'd have made, and further, if the Americans have taken control of New Providence, then you might as well have all the Bamahas/Turks and Caicos go to America. New Providence has always by and far been where the Bahamian population has lived, especially without (I assume) a comparable 1783 Loyalist exodus in TTL.
Otherwise, very awesome to see, and interesting call on dividing Pennsylvania up!
Otherwise, very awesome to see, and interesting call on dividing Pennsylvania up!
Three Dragons
Made for fun. A world where the Draka are the middle group for evilness. Based of a world where the Celestial Empire is less successful in Africa and India, allowing Europe to move in. Following the Vinland Rebellion of 1776 (yes that's the date in the TL) loyalists flee to South Africa. Sino-wank is Partially averted, but even the Draka can only do so much against their might. The Mexica Dominion meanwhile gibbers evily at the Draka Domination.
And yes all the Dragons are looking to the west.
Made for fun. A world where the Draka are the middle group for evilness. Based of a world where the Celestial Empire is less successful in Africa and India, allowing Europe to move in. Following the Vinland Rebellion of 1776 (yes that's the date in the TL) loyalists flee to South Africa. Sino-wank is Partially averted, but even the Draka can only do so much against their might. The Mexica Dominion meanwhile gibbers evily at the Draka Domination.
And yes all the Dragons are looking to the west.
Something I've been kicking around in the back of my head that I'll do after I semi-finish 51st State. POD's are late 18th century, early 19th century. As of now, I have a few notes listed and most nations named. I plan to use an interesting technique to write this one.
North America
Obligatory greater USA
Commonwealth of Nations Canada, Belize
French Department of Haiti
South America
Bolivarian Democratic Republic of Colombia (Non-Soviet Puppet)
Democratic Bolivarian Socialist Colombian Democracy (Soviet Puppet)
Greater Venezuela
Greater Argentina
Guyana/Guinea are part of their colonial powers
Europe
Western European Defense Union states
Greater German Union
Danube Republic (GGU favoring government)
Seventh French Republic
Republic of Spain (French favoring government)
United Scandinavian Democracy
Warsaw Pact
United Soviet Slovakian Republic
People's Republican Democracy of Jugoslavia
Serbian People's Republic
Socialist Kingdom of Romania
Hungarian People's State
Glorious Republic of Macedonia
Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
Neutral/Others
Kingdom of Spain (Regular Spain)
Conquered Glorious People's Republic of Helvetia
Poland
Federal Democratic Democracy of Albania
Hellenic Republic of Greece
Commonwealth of Nations Britain
Republic of Denmark
Asia
Warsaw Pact
Socialist Ionian Turkish Republic (USSR backed)
Union of Mesopotamian Socialist Republics (USSR backed)
Union of Arab Socialist Republics (USSR backed, where UAE is OTL)
Other
Republic of Turkey
United Arab Republic
Kingdom of Arabia
Yemen (UAR associate member)
People's Liberated State of Iran
Pakistan
India
Republic of China
People's Republic of China
Republic of Korea
Japanese Empire (similar government to OTL, but cooler name)
French Saigon
Indonesia
Commonwealth of Nations Australia, New Guinea
The US states of Luzon, Visayas, and Mindanao.
Africa
Socialist Somaliland Republic (USSR puppet)
Somali Free State (GGU puppet)
Kingdom of Ethiopia
United States of Africa (South African colored nation)
Federal East African Union (Other African nation)
Polish Africa
Spanish Africa
Italian Tunisia
Tunisia
French Algeria
---Several space filling Empires
North America
Obligatory greater USA
Commonwealth of Nations Canada, Belize
French Department of Haiti
South America
Bolivarian Democratic Republic of Colombia (Non-Soviet Puppet)
Democratic Bolivarian Socialist Colombian Democracy (Soviet Puppet)
Greater Venezuela
Greater Argentina
Guyana/Guinea are part of their colonial powers
Europe
Western European Defense Union states
Greater German Union
Danube Republic (GGU favoring government)
Seventh French Republic
Republic of Spain (French favoring government)
United Scandinavian Democracy
Warsaw Pact
United Soviet Slovakian Republic
People's Republican Democracy of Jugoslavia
Serbian People's Republic
Socialist Kingdom of Romania
Hungarian People's State
Glorious Republic of Macedonia
Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
Neutral/Others
Kingdom of Spain (Regular Spain)
Conquered Glorious People's Republic of Helvetia
Poland
Federal Democratic Democracy of Albania
Hellenic Republic of Greece
Commonwealth of Nations Britain
Republic of Denmark
Asia
Warsaw Pact
Socialist Ionian Turkish Republic (USSR backed)
Union of Mesopotamian Socialist Republics (USSR backed)
Union of Arab Socialist Republics (USSR backed, where UAE is OTL)
Other
Republic of Turkey
United Arab Republic
Kingdom of Arabia
Yemen (UAR associate member)
People's Liberated State of Iran
Pakistan
India
Republic of China
People's Republic of China
Republic of Korea
Japanese Empire (similar government to OTL, but cooler name)
French Saigon
Indonesia
Commonwealth of Nations Australia, New Guinea
The US states of Luzon, Visayas, and Mindanao.
Africa
Socialist Somaliland Republic (USSR puppet)
Somali Free State (GGU puppet)
Kingdom of Ethiopia
United States of Africa (South African colored nation)
Federal East African Union (Other African nation)
Polish Africa
Spanish Africa
Italian Tunisia
Tunisia
French Algeria
---Several space filling Empires
Made for fun. A world where the Draka are the middle group for evilness. Based of a world where the Celestial Empire is less successful in Africa and India, allowing Europe to move in. Following the Vinland Rebellion of 1776 (yes that's the date in the TL) loyalists flee to South Africa. Sino-wank is Partially averted, but even the Draka can only do so much against their might. The Mexica Dominion meanwhile gibbers evily at the Draka Domination.
And yes all the Dragons are looking to the west.
Space-filling empires AWAAAY
You know, I've got to get around to my version of the Celestial Empire one of these days: I'm thinking Evil French as a plausible substitute for super-Aztecs.
Bruce
A preview for an upcoming mass of maps:
World Map:
Perceived threats to the United States of America:
World Map:
Perceived threats to the United States of America:
Personally, I'd rank the US higher...
Bruce
Ladies and Gentlemen, our greatest enemy is within America itself ...
WarBastard
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Nice map, but in those circumstances it would be almost inconcievable that Armenia wouldn't be heading back towards Russia.
From the latest map contest...
This one is from a universe where the Athenians managed to create a more acceptable federal form for their league, and avoided pissing off all their allies so badly. As a result, the Peloponnesian War ended with a Spartan defeat, and the Athenians managed to corral most of Greece into an expanded federation. After settling some disagreements with Macedonia, a common purpose was found in expelling the Persian Menace from the Mediterranean, although sans the manic drive of Alexander the Greeks didn’t pursue the Persians beyond Mesopotamia and onto the Iranian plateau.
Fearing that Greeks would “orientalize” if huge swaths of land fell under the control of individuals, much of the territory was incorporated into the League as “associated states” or client kings: Mesopotamia and Egypt, too large and powerful to either become league members or to be safely allowed independence, became “colonial territory” run on behalf of the league as a whole by appointed, limited-term governors.
Over time, such groups as the commercial-minded Phoenicians and the Latins and Romans to the west (too tough to be very easily conquered) were incorporated as “honorary Greeks” with full membership in the League. Client kingdoms are more loosely tied into the League, while outside the League proper various barbarian kingdoms exist within its cultural and economic sphere: Greek shipping trades with India, the British Isles, and even the Baltic barbarians. Direct democracy has moved onto a more representative form, although with its various voting blocks, complex (and often changing) re the number of representatives, and other makeshift arrangements, it’s a more cumbersome system than that of the OTL US, and sessions at the league capital on Rhodes are often a bit raucous.
Art and philosophy have continued to flourish, and something resembling genuine science has been developed, with its principles of experimentation and verification: experiments in optics have given birth to crude telescopes, and the heliocentric viewpoint is winning out. On the other hand, there are a lot of contending non-scientific schools of philosophy, and given the relatively backward engineering “state of the art”, the shortage of coal in the core areas of the League, and the abundance of cheap labor (the League is not as rich in slaves as the OTL Roman Empire, but there are still a lot), an industrial revolution is unlikely and time soon.
The barbarians to the north and east are a bit differently arranged than OTL, the survival of a rump Persia having deflected the Parthians northward, which in turn has led to some different central Asian migrations and the overwhelming of OTLs Dacian state by fresh waves of Scythian peoples from the Steppe.
After some three centuries, the League has reached its greatest territorial extent, although there have been some losses in the east brought on by Persian revival and Mesopotamian revolt. There are still centuries of greatness ahead for the Greeks, but the Time of Troubles lies ahead, as ambitious Greeks in Egypt seek to break away as an independent great power, as Gallic kings seek to extend their power, and Persians see opportunity…
Bruce
This one is from a universe where the Athenians managed to create a more acceptable federal form for their league, and avoided pissing off all their allies so badly. As a result, the Peloponnesian War ended with a Spartan defeat, and the Athenians managed to corral most of Greece into an expanded federation. After settling some disagreements with Macedonia, a common purpose was found in expelling the Persian Menace from the Mediterranean, although sans the manic drive of Alexander the Greeks didn’t pursue the Persians beyond Mesopotamia and onto the Iranian plateau.
Fearing that Greeks would “orientalize” if huge swaths of land fell under the control of individuals, much of the territory was incorporated into the League as “associated states” or client kings: Mesopotamia and Egypt, too large and powerful to either become league members or to be safely allowed independence, became “colonial territory” run on behalf of the league as a whole by appointed, limited-term governors.
Over time, such groups as the commercial-minded Phoenicians and the Latins and Romans to the west (too tough to be very easily conquered) were incorporated as “honorary Greeks” with full membership in the League. Client kingdoms are more loosely tied into the League, while outside the League proper various barbarian kingdoms exist within its cultural and economic sphere: Greek shipping trades with India, the British Isles, and even the Baltic barbarians. Direct democracy has moved onto a more representative form, although with its various voting blocks, complex (and often changing) re the number of representatives, and other makeshift arrangements, it’s a more cumbersome system than that of the OTL US, and sessions at the league capital on Rhodes are often a bit raucous.
Art and philosophy have continued to flourish, and something resembling genuine science has been developed, with its principles of experimentation and verification: experiments in optics have given birth to crude telescopes, and the heliocentric viewpoint is winning out. On the other hand, there are a lot of contending non-scientific schools of philosophy, and given the relatively backward engineering “state of the art”, the shortage of coal in the core areas of the League, and the abundance of cheap labor (the League is not as rich in slaves as the OTL Roman Empire, but there are still a lot), an industrial revolution is unlikely and time soon.
The barbarians to the north and east are a bit differently arranged than OTL, the survival of a rump Persia having deflected the Parthians northward, which in turn has led to some different central Asian migrations and the overwhelming of OTLs Dacian state by fresh waves of Scythian peoples from the Steppe.
After some three centuries, the League has reached its greatest territorial extent, although there have been some losses in the east brought on by Persian revival and Mesopotamian revolt. There are still centuries of greatness ahead for the Greeks, but the Time of Troubles lies ahead, as ambitious Greeks in Egypt seek to break away as an independent great power, as Gallic kings seek to extend their power, and Persians see opportunity…
Bruce
I'm quite a bit late to post the next map.
Based on this map, it's set seven years later, at the height of the second great war.
Europe, 1945.
EDIT: Dammit, I forgot to add the Swiss Confederation and it's capital when I did the text!
Europe, 1945.
EDIT: Dammit, I forgot to add the Swiss Confederation and it's capital when I did the text!
Why is it that people always tend forget that all of the Balkan states will, in all probability, have become members of the European Union by 2017. Croatia is scheduled to join in 2011/2012, Macedonia by 2016, and Albania, Montenegro, Serbia, and Bosnia & Herzegovina by 2017, long before Norway or Turkey hypothetically become part of some sort of 'second-tier', looser E.U.
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Furthermore Iceland currently tries to get into the EU very hard in order to rebuild its economy. Once Iceland joins the Faroers will probably join, too, since they are in an economic union with Iceland. This should happen within the next ten years, seeing how Iceland has (besides its finacial troubles) no problems hindering a membership (like general poorness, not being democratic enough, etc).
I suppose the thing with Norway is that, if they wanted to join, they could get an Iceland-style fast-track, so presuming an ASBish shift in public opinion in Norway, Norway could join quite fast, and as for the 2017 tier, some of those could well get delayed.
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