Map Thread VI
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I didn't forget, I just ignored it. Without Grigor I, there is no Novaya Russia. Thus, this map wouldn't be nearly as interesting.
I used to play EE all the time, unfortunately I wasn't really any good at the campaigns - the American one was the only one I really managed to get anywhere with. I've still got it somewhere - I might dig it out again actually!
SilverPhantom2 said:
True. Without Grigor at the head of the Ushi Party, there probably is no Novaya Russia. Maybe, instead of butterflying Grigor I, they could butterfly Grigor II when going back through time? After all, Grigor Stoïanovitch wasn't all that bad... His successor just turned out to be a psycopath robot...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGuTnULcxpA
Starts at 6:23
Well, I think for gameplay's sake, they wanted you to go back to the first mission and play it from the other side on an eternally harder difficulty. Otherwise, I think the EE staff intentionally played down Grigor's villain-hood during the campaign so that by the time you reach the bunker to kill him, you realize that history has distorted his image.
Don't forget that when Grigor I launched his war into Europe, the Black Robes were committing atrocities across Russia. Probably hoarding political dissidents into "renovated" gulags. If the Russians went to war with Europe, and came out as conquerors, I shudder to think of the atrocities the Russians committed against the Muslims in the Middle East and against the Asians when they entered China/UFAR.
Grigor II I think is more forgivable than Grigor I. The robot was nothing more than a computer, sending soldiers and cybers to battle based on probability and statistics. Machines don't understand the value of life and can thus be forgiven. The human Grigor, however, is what Molotov hoped to find. When he reached 2018, he found Grigor I as a sociopathic man bent on conquest.
I guess you can say this map is just prior to Molotov and Ryan entering the time machine in Havana.
Starts at 6:23
Well, I think for gameplay's sake, they wanted you to go back to the first mission and play it from the other side on an eternally harder difficulty. Otherwise, I think the EE staff intentionally played down Grigor's villain-hood during the campaign so that by the time you reach the bunker to kill him, you realize that history has distorted his image.
Don't forget that when Grigor I launched his war into Europe, the Black Robes were committing atrocities across Russia. Probably hoarding political dissidents into "renovated" gulags. If the Russians went to war with Europe, and came out as conquerors, I shudder to think of the atrocities the Russians committed against the Muslims in the Middle East and against the Asians when they entered China/UFAR.
Grigor II I think is more forgivable than Grigor I. The robot was nothing more than a computer, sending soldiers and cybers to battle based on probability and statistics. Machines don't understand the value of life and can thus be forgiven. The human Grigor, however, is what Molotov hoped to find. When he reached 2018, he found Grigor I as a sociopathic man bent on conquest.
I guess you can say this map is just prior to Molotov and Ryan entering the time machine in Havana.
Just doing some maps from my timeline.
1880s:
Just before the Crisis and the rise of the Socialists, but after the War of the Heptuple Alliance, the Emergency and the Second Unification War.
Stripe fill is less de facto control than full fill, or used to indicate when two groups have a great deal of de facto control. The HRE has belgiums colour to indicate its not the usual HRE or Austrian germany nation, and to show the crucial role this timelines 'Belgium' had in producing the unified state. I considered giving poland the prussian colour since its rulled by the Hohenzollerns and only about 55% Polish, but decided against in the end.
1930s
We've had the break-down of the first British world system and the rise of the New Imperialism (starting with the North African Conference and ending with the First Great Socialist War)
Australia, much less proto-facist republican Australia lacks a UCS colour despite it commonly owning island territories, so here I gave it a very dark blue colouration. Blue outline is the Wien Pact/European Defence Organisation, salmon outline is the Sterling Bloc nations. Tasmania and most of the pacific islands in the same Kingdom as New Zealand - 'Pacifica'. The space-filling african colonial empires are considerable more internally complex than this map might indicate.
1970s:
After the Second Great Socialist War, in which the Europeans were evicted from Africa and the Paternalists (Franco-Germany-Chinese) only managed to survive at the eleventh hour. Decolonisation has generally go through elsewhere as well as things drop down into a four and a half sided Cold War (the US's gradual retreat from hard-core socialism casing a break with the Russians).
Blue fill is the European Unity, Light Pink fill is the Commonwealth Economic Forum (which something of a supra-state, despite the innoculous name). The Sunda Republic has Indonesias colour, which is unfortunately close to the French they are now independent from. I gave Zambezia the Omani colour, btu they are ruled by a portuguese dynasty still.
1880s:
Just before the Crisis and the rise of the Socialists, but after the War of the Heptuple Alliance, the Emergency and the Second Unification War.
Stripe fill is less de facto control than full fill, or used to indicate when two groups have a great deal of de facto control. The HRE has belgiums colour to indicate its not the usual HRE or Austrian germany nation, and to show the crucial role this timelines 'Belgium' had in producing the unified state. I considered giving poland the prussian colour since its rulled by the Hohenzollerns and only about 55% Polish, but decided against in the end.
1930s
We've had the break-down of the first British world system and the rise of the New Imperialism (starting with the North African Conference and ending with the First Great Socialist War)
Australia, much less proto-facist republican Australia lacks a UCS colour despite it commonly owning island territories, so here I gave it a very dark blue colouration. Blue outline is the Wien Pact/European Defence Organisation, salmon outline is the Sterling Bloc nations. Tasmania and most of the pacific islands in the same Kingdom as New Zealand - 'Pacifica'. The space-filling african colonial empires are considerable more internally complex than this map might indicate.
1970s:
After the Second Great Socialist War, in which the Europeans were evicted from Africa and the Paternalists (Franco-Germany-Chinese) only managed to survive at the eleventh hour. Decolonisation has generally go through elsewhere as well as things drop down into a four and a half sided Cold War (the US's gradual retreat from hard-core socialism casing a break with the Russians).
Blue fill is the European Unity, Light Pink fill is the Commonwealth Economic Forum (which something of a supra-state, despite the innoculous name). The Sunda Republic has Indonesias colour, which is unfortunately close to the French they are now independent from. I gave Zambezia the Omani colour, btu they are ruled by a portuguese dynasty still.
Faeelin
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So I'm guessing the USA didn't moderate and loosen up in the 1920s, as you hinted at once?
That poster said the election would be a coin toss between the Socialists and the New Liberals, in one bifurication of the timeline shown here the Socialists win, secure electral success with a blitz on the Confederacy and write the Russians a blank check, whilst still technically being loosed up compared to the turn of the century ideologs. In the timeline where the Liberals win, something different happens.
Another "alternate cold war" map, this one with a somewhat de-wanked Draka vs Czarist Russia.
A century of butterflies meant that, although bloodied, the Russian Empire managed to pull through this world's equivalent of WWI without a revolution: it has moved since in a democratic direction, and is currently the leader of the anti-Draka block.
The Draka, lacking Magic Logistics and Magic Weapon-making tech, did not get as much of the Middle East as in canon, and later went to war with the UK for the rest of it out to India, relations between Russia and the UK having cooled to the point where it was assumed that the Russians (already worried about the Japanese and keeping the Germand Down) would not interfere. Alas for Draka planners, the Russians decided they really didn't want a thousand-mile border with the Draka, and the resultant long and bloody struggle, which the French eventually joined on the Anglo-Russian side,
which finally ended with a mutual exchange of crude nuclear weapons, an armistice, and Draka gains eastwards pretty much neutralized by losses westwards.
The Japanese, meanwhile, took advantage of the other powers distraction to expand its coastal protectorates deep into the territory of crumbling Taiping China.
The US does not lead the Good Guys, although once the era of ICBMS dawned the US joined the In this TL, Draka support for the Confederate cause allowed them to win: since then the US has badly bloodied the Confederacy's nose, making them increasingly dependent on Draka support. Having to keep an eye on the nuclear-armed (those are very short flight times) Confederacy limits the US ability to play a very active role overseas. Also, the US is smaller, population only about 1/2 of the nowadays quite modern Russian Empire (although the US has something like 3/4 as large an economy). Russia, meanwhile, is at the heart of the conflict...
Bruce
A century of butterflies meant that, although bloodied, the Russian Empire managed to pull through this world's equivalent of WWI without a revolution: it has moved since in a democratic direction, and is currently the leader of the anti-Draka block.
The Draka, lacking Magic Logistics and Magic Weapon-making tech, did not get as much of the Middle East as in canon, and later went to war with the UK for the rest of it out to India, relations between Russia and the UK having cooled to the point where it was assumed that the Russians (already worried about the Japanese and keeping the Germand Down) would not interfere. Alas for Draka planners, the Russians decided they really didn't want a thousand-mile border with the Draka, and the resultant long and bloody struggle, which the French eventually joined on the Anglo-Russian side,
which finally ended with a mutual exchange of crude nuclear weapons, an armistice, and Draka gains eastwards pretty much neutralized by losses westwards.
The Japanese, meanwhile, took advantage of the other powers distraction to expand its coastal protectorates deep into the territory of crumbling Taiping China.
The US does not lead the Good Guys, although once the era of ICBMS dawned the US joined the In this TL, Draka support for the Confederate cause allowed them to win: since then the US has badly bloodied the Confederacy's nose, making them increasingly dependent on Draka support. Having to keep an eye on the nuclear-armed (those are very short flight times) Confederacy limits the US ability to play a very active role overseas. Also, the US is smaller, population only about 1/2 of the nowadays quite modern Russian Empire (although the US has something like 3/4 as large an economy). Russia, meanwhile, is at the heart of the conflict...
Bruce
Whoa, what happened to northern South America? Colombia and Venezuela seem to have fragmented a fair bit.
Oh, that was kinda random: I was just offering a middle finger to S's "several giant blocks" world and mega-Columbia...
Bruce
I got bored and tried to incorporate as many cliches into a map as possible.
Any of them recognizable?
Any of them recognizable?
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Pan-Slavic Russia
German Empire/Third Reich/Holy Roman Empire
Greater British Empire
Weakened USA
Superpower Confederate States of America
Syndicalist Franco-Spanish Union
The Restored Middle Kingdom
Domination of South Africa
Overdosed Italian Empire
Mega-Columbia
The Ever Free Lands of Switzerland
Also easily recognizable OTL borders, or at least in Asia any who...
EDIT: Also unified Guyana and Central America, along with British Patagonia and Draka, is it? Is independent Madagascar a Pandemic reference?
I was bored and made up this. Don't really expect a response. It is crap I just miss making good maps and the newest map challenge doesn't speak to me.
EDIT: Also unified Guyana and Central America, along with British Patagonia and Draka, is it? Is independent Madagascar a Pandemic reference?
I was bored and made up this. Don't really expect a response. It is crap I just miss making good maps and the newest map challenge doesn't speak to me.
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