You know, those Siberian rebels aren't anywhere close to Siberia at the moment. Maybe some rascally Crimeans invited them over for some reason?and i forgot the map
Map Thread VI
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Sometime back, somebody (Iori?) presented a map showing Osama Bin Laden’s dream world: it inspired me to do this, which I do not consider at all probably for 2027, but represents a “best case” scenario for Al-Queda and company.
The US has turned inward, further economic woes and the continued disfunctionality of the political system leading to increased tensions: after the most recent turn of the voters to a democratic candidate, things somewhat climaxed in the bombing of the White House by the Teabag Tigers and the attempted secession of Texas, Arizona and Florida. All this, after Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan, means that the US has no interest whatsoever in Middle Eastern ventures.
Oil peak is definitely here – prices have been on the steady rise since 2016, and some major efforts have finally gotten under way to find substitutes, but the cost is not yet so high that it doesn’t sell. The Caliphate (first established in Yemen, then after the Riyadh Riots and the Martyrdoms, spreading to Saudi Arabia) has quite a bit of money coming in, although some gloomy naysayers (probably in the pay of one of the various foreign Satans) suggest trouble a decade or two down the line.
After the Nth breakdown in negotiations, the Iranians finally threw their hands in the air and actually set off a test nuke in 2014. Israel’s 2018 effort to destroy Iran’s teeny arsenal and nuclear facilities did not turn out well, although rather less well for Iran after Israel retaliated for the retaliation. With the US increasingly politically paralyzed and unwilling to cough up aid money, Israel has since adjusted to new realities, withdrawing from the West Bank and Gaza, although to preserve appearances the “Palestinian” state is a Caliphate puppet rather than being directly incorporated. (Predictably, Palestinians have already started an intifada against the Sanaa-approved new government).
Arguments over immigration, looser vs. tighter union, and accusations that rules favoring Germany had wrecked the Iberian and Greek economies, finally ended in the breakup of the European Union. Although democracy was mostly preserved (outside of the Balkans), xenophobia has largely won the argument: while the Western European Community has preserved at least the forms of multiculturalism (France has had one of its swings to the left again), the MittelEuropa Alliance has sealed its border to foreign contaminants (including those from the southern Balkans) and kicked out a lot of locals with “uncertain” citizenship, which has done no favors to their economies.
In Asia, India has been hit hard by droughts and new-style socialist violent protest: China, although with its own water problems and hit by the ups and downs of world trade over the last two decades, is doing better, and still chugging along economically, if not as fast as it once did. Japan, noting the Chinese putting the squeeze play on Taiwan, have entered into a military alliance with the Russians, which have turned west again in their foreign policy and have become less friendly to China, especially after the Chinese government started grumbling about the mistreatment of Chinese immigrants in Siberia. North Korea ended in messy internal strife, allowing the south to occupy the north without too much bloodshed, and pick up a small arsenal of late-40s retro nuclear weapons. Travel between North and South is still restricted: even the most optimistic estimates see economic convergence as taking two decades if the South is to not entirely bankrupt itself: northerners, now that memories of starvation have receded, are beginning to grumble about southern “tyranny” and how “un-Korean” southerners are.
On the occasion of the birthday of that now legendary hero of the Caliphate, Osama Bin Laden, Islamicist Egypt formally politically united with the Caliphate. Islam was clearly on the Right Track, and kicking Israel into the sea was no longer needed, many said: before long it would become a mere satellite of the Caliphate, a Dhimmi protectorate.
Of course, the Caliphate would messily fall apart within a decade in over 90% of possible futures, but why spoil the party by telling them?
Bruce
The US has turned inward, further economic woes and the continued disfunctionality of the political system leading to increased tensions: after the most recent turn of the voters to a democratic candidate, things somewhat climaxed in the bombing of the White House by the Teabag Tigers and the attempted secession of Texas, Arizona and Florida. All this, after Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan, means that the US has no interest whatsoever in Middle Eastern ventures.
Oil peak is definitely here – prices have been on the steady rise since 2016, and some major efforts have finally gotten under way to find substitutes, but the cost is not yet so high that it doesn’t sell. The Caliphate (first established in Yemen, then after the Riyadh Riots and the Martyrdoms, spreading to Saudi Arabia) has quite a bit of money coming in, although some gloomy naysayers (probably in the pay of one of the various foreign Satans) suggest trouble a decade or two down the line.
After the Nth breakdown in negotiations, the Iranians finally threw their hands in the air and actually set off a test nuke in 2014. Israel’s 2018 effort to destroy Iran’s teeny arsenal and nuclear facilities did not turn out well, although rather less well for Iran after Israel retaliated for the retaliation. With the US increasingly politically paralyzed and unwilling to cough up aid money, Israel has since adjusted to new realities, withdrawing from the West Bank and Gaza, although to preserve appearances the “Palestinian” state is a Caliphate puppet rather than being directly incorporated. (Predictably, Palestinians have already started an intifada against the Sanaa-approved new government).
Arguments over immigration, looser vs. tighter union, and accusations that rules favoring Germany had wrecked the Iberian and Greek economies, finally ended in the breakup of the European Union. Although democracy was mostly preserved (outside of the Balkans), xenophobia has largely won the argument: while the Western European Community has preserved at least the forms of multiculturalism (France has had one of its swings to the left again), the MittelEuropa Alliance has sealed its border to foreign contaminants (including those from the southern Balkans) and kicked out a lot of locals with “uncertain” citizenship, which has done no favors to their economies.
In Asia, India has been hit hard by droughts and new-style socialist violent protest: China, although with its own water problems and hit by the ups and downs of world trade over the last two decades, is doing better, and still chugging along economically, if not as fast as it once did. Japan, noting the Chinese putting the squeeze play on Taiwan, have entered into a military alliance with the Russians, which have turned west again in their foreign policy and have become less friendly to China, especially after the Chinese government started grumbling about the mistreatment of Chinese immigrants in Siberia. North Korea ended in messy internal strife, allowing the south to occupy the north without too much bloodshed, and pick up a small arsenal of late-40s retro nuclear weapons. Travel between North and South is still restricted: even the most optimistic estimates see economic convergence as taking two decades if the South is to not entirely bankrupt itself: northerners, now that memories of starvation have receded, are beginning to grumble about southern “tyranny” and how “un-Korean” southerners are.
On the occasion of the birthday of that now legendary hero of the Caliphate, Osama Bin Laden, Islamicist Egypt formally politically united with the Caliphate. Islam was clearly on the Right Track, and kicking Israel into the sea was no longer needed, many said: before long it would become a mere satellite of the Caliphate, a Dhimmi protectorate.
Of course, the Caliphate would messily fall apart within a decade in over 90% of possible futures, but why spoil the party by telling them?
Bruce
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Canada conquered the US and Mexico?!
Either that or the US turned Red and conquered North America.
Exactly. They slowly became ever more totalitarian and socialist until they invaded Mexico in '39. Canada and much of the Caribbean followed soon after. They lost Guam and Wake Island to Japan however.
Just changed the color of the USSA.
Spain and Portugal are under joint USSR-USSA occupation.
Vichy France left the Axis and even had a short war with Nazi Germany.
It got Dutch Guiana after annexing the Netherlands (Which was just the Dutch East Indies at the time). From there, they took British Guiana and French Guiana.
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3 "realistic" wanks
I made 3 wanks, but they aren't the usual wanks, they only include territories the empire at some point really possessed, colonized or claimed. Or, when there are some ethnic reasons like an ethnic majority in a not annexed land, or when the language has official status somewhere.
I begin with the French wank:
I did not include the Frankish Empire, because I couldn't decide if it's French or German or both... (the name is connected with France, the Franks were Germans, the territory included both of today's countries).
In Europe, I took the French Empire under Napoleon, then added all the colonies France ever had (including that huge Louisiana thing) and the Antarctic stripe they claimed (I'm not sure about that, does it have to be askew or vertical?). Also the Belgian colonies and West Sahara because they have French as official language.
I made 3 wanks, but they aren't the usual wanks, they only include territories the empire at some point really possessed, colonized or claimed. Or, when there are some ethnic reasons like an ethnic majority in a not annexed land, or when the language has official status somewhere.
I begin with the French wank:
I did not include the Frankish Empire, because I couldn't decide if it's French or German or both... (the name is connected with France, the Franks were Germans, the territory included both of today's countries).
In Europe, I took the French Empire under Napoleon, then added all the colonies France ever had (including that huge Louisiana thing) and the Antarctic stripe they claimed (I'm not sure about that, does it have to be askew or vertical?). Also the Belgian colonies and West Sahara because they have French as official language.
3 "realistic" wanks #2
So, this is the German/Dutch wank.
I connected the Germans and Dutch, because they were connected through the Holy Roman Empire, and also from a linguistic point of view they kind of share the same language (two standard languages, but from one dialect continuum), although this must upset some Germans and Dutch here, and also is completely irrelevant politically
So, I included:
- The German Empire (Kaisserreich)
- The Austrian-Hungarian Empire
- The 3. Reich (Großdeutsches Reich) without protectorates etc.
- The Holy Roman Empire (borders changed, I took the biggest)
- The Teutonic Order
- The colonies of Germany, Netherlands, Belgium and Brandenburg
Furthermore:
- The Autonomous German Soviet Republic
- Klein-Venedig (Venezuela)
- Neuschwabenland (Antarctic territory)
- Those parts of the USA, Canada and Brazil with a majority of people being of German origin
So, this is the German/Dutch wank.
I connected the Germans and Dutch, because they were connected through the Holy Roman Empire, and also from a linguistic point of view they kind of share the same language (two standard languages, but from one dialect continuum), although this must upset some Germans and Dutch here, and also is completely irrelevant politically
So, I included:
- The German Empire (Kaisserreich)
- The Austrian-Hungarian Empire
- The 3. Reich (Großdeutsches Reich) without protectorates etc.
- The Holy Roman Empire (borders changed, I took the biggest)
- The Teutonic Order
- The colonies of Germany, Netherlands, Belgium and Brandenburg
Furthermore:
- The Autonomous German Soviet Republic
- Klein-Venedig (Venezuela)
- Neuschwabenland (Antarctic territory)
- Those parts of the USA, Canada and Brazil with a majority of people being of German origin
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3 "realistic" wanks #3
The last irrendetist wank is that of Norway, Denmark and Sweden.
It includes:
- All colonies Denmark, Sweden and Norway have or had
- The Norwegian Antarctic claim
- Those parts of the USA with a majority of people being of Norwegian origin
- Viking kingdoms in England, Scotland and Ireland (I wasn't sure if I wanted to include them, because the Vikings were much older than the possessions I gave France and Germany in my other wanks... and that it could look as crazy as an Italian wank including the Empire of Byzanthium)
- Vinland (not sure either)
The last irrendetist wank is that of Norway, Denmark and Sweden.
It includes:
- All colonies Denmark, Sweden and Norway have or had
- The Norwegian Antarctic claim
- Those parts of the USA with a majority of people being of Norwegian origin
- Viking kingdoms in England, Scotland and Ireland (I wasn't sure if I wanted to include them, because the Vikings were much older than the possessions I gave France and Germany in my other wanks... and that it could look as crazy as an Italian wank including the Empire of Byzanthium)
- Vinland (not sure either)
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Maybe. The Allies continue to be a thorn in my side (Especially Britain and France). Maybe once Vichy France has been liberated
no those are crimean rebels if you look at kamcatka and around vladivostok and asorted areas, theres an area that looks like its japanese and other controled, thats the sibereans
I remember when i used wikipedia maps for bases...
Try using some from either the blank maps thread or the wiki maps page. They look better. The wikimap is actually really terrible.
Try using some from either the blank maps thread or the wiki maps page. They look better. The wikimap is actually really terrible.
Thande
Donor
If you mean the Blank Map Directory, it's best to link to it for new members who won't know what it is.
True. Thanks for getting my back.
I didn't meant to sound so scathing. They're clever ideas and would be okay, save for maybe the German states part. The French one is most plausible IMO.
What, no scathing comments on my map?
Bruce
I like it, it seems vaguely plausible and thought-out for an AQ wet dream scenario - with the near-certainty of their failure, due to wet dreams focusing on one-night stands with buxom blondes, and not stable marriages.
One thing I noticed, Kaliningrad appears to be independent from Russia. I'm assuming that's a misfill, since Russia doesn't seem weak enough at all to lose part of its territory like that, especially to Mitteleuropa.
Vexacus
Banned
I still say this map should have a TL to go with itHere's a map I posted over in the ASB Map Thread, but I've seen more implausible things here.
And the map...
Krall
Banned
My map for Map of the Fortnight 18: I Am Become Death:
In 1945 the USA used nuclear weapons to bomb the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The casualties number over a hundred thousand. The world stands in awe and fear of America's new superweapon.
Combating the world's new superpower becomes the sole aim of Soviet military scientists, and funding is poured into several projects, few of which produce anything beyond ineffectual prototypes. One of these projects, Project Elbrus (Russian: Проект Эльбрус - Proekt Elʹbrus, named for the highest mountain in the Caucasus mountain range), produces a working electrolaser. This uses the blooming effect of a laser to produce a line of ionized plasma, along which a powerful electrical current can then be sent, in a manner similar to lightning. The prototype is inefficient, weak and unwieldy. Soviet military commanders see no real practical use of the technology, and funding is cut in order to further develop the Soviet Union's own nuclear weapon, rather than develop counter measures to it.
On the 12th of December, 1950 General Secretary Joseph Stalin sends America an early Christmas present: the USSR conducts its first nuclear weapons test at the Semipalatinsk Test Site in the Kazakh SSR.
By 1961 the USA's nuclear stockpiles have grown immensely, whilst the Soviets still languish behind. Convinced that a nuclear war with America is imminent, First Secretary Nikita Krushchev begins looking for a method of effective defence against a nuclear strike. Isaac Bahdanovich, the Byelorussian scientist that headed Project Elbrus, suggests that a sufficiently advanced electrolaser could disable a nuclear weapon in flight. Project Motherland (Russian: Проект Pодина - Proekt Rodina) is set up to explore the plausibility of developing and deploying advanced electrolasers in this manner. Krushchev is deposed in 1964, but the project continues.
In August, 1966 a computer-controlled electrolaser with a radar targeting system is shown to be able to intercept nuclear missiles in flight. The system is still too expensive and inefficient to be deployed on any national scale, so development continues.
By 1970 Project Motherland has produced a suitably efficient production model of a radar-targeted electrolaser. This technological advance is hidden from the public until 1973, when the last of the first generation of anti-nuclear electrolasers is constructed. Senator Lee Metcalf comments that President Nixon's teeth-grinding could be heard all the way from Capitol Hill.
In order to test western zeal in face of their new defence system, Soviet troops "accidentally" cross the border with Finland whilst "on maneuvers" and, supposedly believing they are still on Soviet soil, open fire on Finnish troops that attempt to approach them. Many western politicians do not make mention of the issue, whilst others, such as President Nixon, begrudgingly claim that they hope that the situation can be solved peacefully and without further bloodshed. Believing this to be a weak response on the USA's part, the USSR makes claims that the Finnish troops opened fire on the Soviet troops first. Finland refuses to allow Soviet military observers into the country to investigate the issue. After a short and brutal war, Finland is absorbed into the USSR as the Finnish SSR in early 1974. The western world deplores this blatant warmongering, but resolves to do nothing about it.
Now believing the USSR free of the threat of nuclear war, General Secretary Leonid Brezhnev pursues a policy of promoting world communism, and espouses the idea of a "Worldwide socialist union". These policies develop as time moves on, and the USSR begins integrating its allies into the Union.
By 1985 Poland, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria and East Germany have been integrated into the USSR. General Secretary Andrei Gromyko and Mongolian President Jambyn Batmönkh announce plans to integrate Mongolia into the USSR, drawing the anger of the People's Republic of China. The depth of the Sino-Soviet split shows when, on the 30th of March, 1985, the Politburo of the Communist Party of China under Hua Guofeng - Mao Zedong's designated successor - declares war on the USSR. The hope is that the other nations of the world will declare war on the Soviet Union, and that their combined might could overcome that of the USSR. The hope is forlorn on both counts.
After the swift and brutal crushing of Chinese military forces, China is reorganized with a pro-Soviet government in charge. Manchuria is annexed directly into the Soviet Union as the Manchu People's Soviet Socialist Republic.
Following pressure from Moscow, and increased US military presence in South Korea and Japan, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is incorporated into the USSR in 1988.
In 1989 the Berlin Wall comes down, and West Berlin is incorporated into the German Soviet Democratic Socialist Republic after the USSR demanded the transfer of the territory, officially to end the suffering of the isolated people of West Berlin and to end the exclave as a relic of a bygone era, unofficially as part of a move to consolidate their existing territories before expanding further.
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In 1945 the USA used nuclear weapons to bomb the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The casualties number over a hundred thousand. The world stands in awe and fear of America's new superweapon.
Combating the world's new superpower becomes the sole aim of Soviet military scientists, and funding is poured into several projects, few of which produce anything beyond ineffectual prototypes. One of these projects, Project Elbrus (Russian: Проект Эльбрус - Proekt Elʹbrus, named for the highest mountain in the Caucasus mountain range), produces a working electrolaser. This uses the blooming effect of a laser to produce a line of ionized plasma, along which a powerful electrical current can then be sent, in a manner similar to lightning. The prototype is inefficient, weak and unwieldy. Soviet military commanders see no real practical use of the technology, and funding is cut in order to further develop the Soviet Union's own nuclear weapon, rather than develop counter measures to it.
On the 12th of December, 1950 General Secretary Joseph Stalin sends America an early Christmas present: the USSR conducts its first nuclear weapons test at the Semipalatinsk Test Site in the Kazakh SSR.
By 1961 the USA's nuclear stockpiles have grown immensely, whilst the Soviets still languish behind. Convinced that a nuclear war with America is imminent, First Secretary Nikita Krushchev begins looking for a method of effective defence against a nuclear strike. Isaac Bahdanovich, the Byelorussian scientist that headed Project Elbrus, suggests that a sufficiently advanced electrolaser could disable a nuclear weapon in flight. Project Motherland (Russian: Проект Pодина - Proekt Rodina) is set up to explore the plausibility of developing and deploying advanced electrolasers in this manner. Krushchev is deposed in 1964, but the project continues.
In August, 1966 a computer-controlled electrolaser with a radar targeting system is shown to be able to intercept nuclear missiles in flight. The system is still too expensive and inefficient to be deployed on any national scale, so development continues.
By 1970 Project Motherland has produced a suitably efficient production model of a radar-targeted electrolaser. This technological advance is hidden from the public until 1973, when the last of the first generation of anti-nuclear electrolasers is constructed. Senator Lee Metcalf comments that President Nixon's teeth-grinding could be heard all the way from Capitol Hill.
In order to test western zeal in face of their new defence system, Soviet troops "accidentally" cross the border with Finland whilst "on maneuvers" and, supposedly believing they are still on Soviet soil, open fire on Finnish troops that attempt to approach them. Many western politicians do not make mention of the issue, whilst others, such as President Nixon, begrudgingly claim that they hope that the situation can be solved peacefully and without further bloodshed. Believing this to be a weak response on the USA's part, the USSR makes claims that the Finnish troops opened fire on the Soviet troops first. Finland refuses to allow Soviet military observers into the country to investigate the issue. After a short and brutal war, Finland is absorbed into the USSR as the Finnish SSR in early 1974. The western world deplores this blatant warmongering, but resolves to do nothing about it.
Now believing the USSR free of the threat of nuclear war, General Secretary Leonid Brezhnev pursues a policy of promoting world communism, and espouses the idea of a "Worldwide socialist union". These policies develop as time moves on, and the USSR begins integrating its allies into the Union.
By 1985 Poland, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria and East Germany have been integrated into the USSR. General Secretary Andrei Gromyko and Mongolian President Jambyn Batmönkh announce plans to integrate Mongolia into the USSR, drawing the anger of the People's Republic of China. The depth of the Sino-Soviet split shows when, on the 30th of March, 1985, the Politburo of the Communist Party of China under Hua Guofeng - Mao Zedong's designated successor - declares war on the USSR. The hope is that the other nations of the world will declare war on the Soviet Union, and that their combined might could overcome that of the USSR. The hope is forlorn on both counts.
After the swift and brutal crushing of Chinese military forces, China is reorganized with a pro-Soviet government in charge. Manchuria is annexed directly into the Soviet Union as the Manchu People's Soviet Socialist Republic.
Following pressure from Moscow, and increased US military presence in South Korea and Japan, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is incorporated into the USSR in 1988.
In 1989 the Berlin Wall comes down, and West Berlin is incorporated into the German Soviet Democratic Socialist Republic after the USSR demanded the transfer of the territory, officially to end the suffering of the isolated people of West Berlin and to end the exclave as a relic of a bygone era, unofficially as part of a move to consolidate their existing territories before expanding further.
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