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Atlantic theatre, part 3

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Atlantic theatre, part 3



[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Ironclad warfare[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The United States had originally built 6 naval yards, Portsmouth NH, Boston MA, Brooklyn NY, Philadelphia PA, Washington DC, and Norfolk VA[1]. Of these, obviously Portsmouth and Boston went to New England after the War of 1812, and Brooklyn has been razed in the first month of this war. Moreover, Washington DC had been largely abandoned as an active yard[1], as the river was really too shallow. This leaves Philadelphia (in good shape, up stream behind several forts) and Norfolk. In addition to these, smaller yards had been established at Charleston, SC, Oswego NY (on Lake Ontario), Whitehall (on Lake Champlain) and Erie (on Lake Erie).[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]After the raid on Norfolk, it was obvious that the Allies could raid such an exposed port whenever they wanted, as long as they could concentrate enough ironclads there. This meant that Norfolk and Charleston (so far unharmed) were both vulnerable. Neither Norfolk or Charleston would be abandoned without a fight, so, for instance, upgrading their coastal defence batteries were made top priority, but it was also obvious that putting too much effort into building vital ships there would just be a waste of time as the would likely be destroyed by inevitable Allied attacks, destroying limited US resources. Small ships, and repair work could certainly be done in those yards, so they weren't useless. Some effort was made to reestablish the Washington yard – they might not be able to do deep draft ironclads, but they could build frigates that could be armoured at Norfolk – and the shallowness of the river, which had caused the yard to close, was a good defence against Allied ironclads. Also, a minor base was set up near Annapolis, with coast defence batteries protecting that yard from attack, and another at Baltimore, again with batteries protecting the inlet. This had the further advantage of protecting Baltimore from attack, so even if that yard wasn't terribly useful in the long run navally, the batteries went in, anyway.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The upshot of all of this is that the only well established naval yard that's actually safe from attack is at Philadelphia. While the Southern states had demanded bases in the Chesapeake Bay and at Charleston, it quickly became obvious that Philadelphia was going to have to be the centre of the US navy for at least this war. Not only was the harbour safe from attack (being up a river, and well defensible) but it was close to the main sources of iron production in the US (eastern PA and Pittsburgh). [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Thus most of the work on new ironclads was shifted to Philadelphia. Several new ships were laid down, but with only one yard compared to 3 major ones just in New England and the Maritimes, let alone the production of the RN in England, the US was hopelessly outclassed. The US strained to produce 1 ironclad a month while the Allies are producing 3 starting in April. Moreover, due to an iron shortage and the success of the ironfaced timberclads, the US stayed with 1-2” (2.5-5cm) of iron. (While the Cato was sunk, US looked at what the Cato did without being completed all the way, and attributed its loss to a) it being not completed and b) being outnumbered 3 to 1)[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]At the beginning of March, the Allies attack Charleston harbour, and do much damage to the port and naval yard, including burning several ships on the stocks and much of the existing naval stores in the yard. They are not able to sink the Stentor there, but neither was the US able to kill any of the ironclads in the attack. [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]This March raid really brought home the need for the Allies to figure out new weapons. While new, larger cannon were already in process (as a result of the Chesapeake raid), new ideas were needed.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]One thought was to try a 'harpoon' style pointed dart – but that didn't work. Another thought was to take a leaf out of the army's book – if cono-cylindrical bullets worked so well in Norton rifles, would it work in cannon? The simple minded implementation of that didn't work much better than round balls, but someone then came up with the idea of hardening the surface of the iron. This could be done simply by cooling the mould for the projectiles, so the surface cooled faster and was quenched.[2] This worked well in proof tests on land, and was tried out in April. In the middle of that month, the Pericles sortied from Philadelphia together with the US's first designed ironclad (the Pennsylvania) to intercept an Allied force that was attacking the nearby coast. [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The new weapon proved relatively successful, in that the Pericles was sunk and the Pennsylvania was damaged. The latter returns to harbour and is up armoured, as are the new ironclads in production. However, the designs were meant for lighter armour and they can't upgrade to the full 4” armour of the Allied ships. The Stentor (the only remaining Orator class timberclad) is already top heavy and can't really be upgraded much. [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Moreover, the April attack near Philadelphia means the net US production that month is negative. In fact the US inventory of armour-clads is now 2 – the Stentor (at Charleston) and the Pennsylvania (at Philadelphia)[3]. Whereas the Allies have 7 in theatre – and the RN production hasn't even yet started to arrive. (The first 2 RN ironclads are currently undergoing trials and will soon be available.)[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Since the cannon are smooth-bore, these shells need to be fired from relatively close distances. So the next thought is to make rifled cannon – then they have to try to make shells that will work in rifled cannon (the technique ends up being to put brass knobs on the iron shell to grip the rifle grooves). All of this takes time.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Another thought was to put explosives in an armour-piercing shell, to gain the advantages of both sorts of projectiles, but it didn't work out. With current tech, to get a good armour-piercing shell, the shell had to be almost solid, which didn't leave enough room for enough gunpowder to do significant damage.[4][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Once the first RN ironclads arrive in North America, the Allies start using the Bahamas as a secondary base. It's closer to Charleston, for instance, and anywhere south of that. The RN had, of course, been using the Bahamas and Bermuda as bases for raiding the coast with conventional ships, but until the end of April, there weren't enough ironclads available to split off some and divide their forces.[/FONT]




[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Privateers[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]In the early days of the war, before the Allies were able to impose a blockade, several US ships – smaller frigates and armed merchantmen slipped out of ports and headed to sea as commerce raiders. This tactic had worked very well for the US in the past war, and they were expecting similar results now. However, several things have changed. The first is that they can't find very many neutral harbours to sell captured ships in, or to resupply at.[5] While Britain and Portugal don't control all those ports, they have consuls/representatives in most who can remonstrate with the local officials and point out how unfortunate the consequences of trading with the US would be. Certainly, in the first couple of months the US commerce raiders find the occasional port to resupply at, either pretending to be honest merchants, or otherwise leaving the local officials plausible deniability. A couple of French and Dutch ports know that the Brits won't likely dare expand the war to their countries, and even buy captured ships. But that soon stops, due to the second point.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The more important point is that the international opinion on 'privateers' had changed, which meant that, from day 1, many harbour masters – even ones who didn't like the League, liked privateers even less. And, the League is able to issue a declaration that any such 'privateer' will be considered a pirate.[6] Thus, by 6 months into the war, pretty much all harbours are closed to the US force, at least officially. Oh, they can raid small coastal ports, and several harbour masters turn a blind eye to them resupplying, but they can no longer sell any prizes they take hardly anywhere. One ship ventured into the Indian ocean, attacking League traffic there, but it was isolated and was eventually taken (in an ironic twist of fate) by real pirates.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]So, several of the US ships have to surrender eventually, having run out of supplies, whether food or ammunition. Some ships ran out of coal first, and were able to be captured in calm weather by steam (assisted) ships. [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Other ships were tracked down and cornered by Allied warships, or just lost battles against real armed merchantmen. This was especially a problem as British arms production ramped up even further, and some merchantmen were even armed with (smaller) shell guns.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The British wanted a real statement made about the seriousness of the crime of piracy, while also not wanting to upset international opinion. So they held trials of the officers and crew of any commerce raider they captured. Once it was established that the ship was a 'pirate ship' (which was easy to do as the standard defence, at least early on, was that they were legitimate commerce raiders – which was a contradiction in terms for the courts), then punishment was handed out. The captain, and occasionally other senior officers, along with any crew member who could be proven to have killed anyone during the course of one of their attacks were hung. The others were handed various length sentences and thrown into prison as common criminals.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Well. Imagine the reaction in the US. “Brave Captain Jonathan Smith, USN Murdered in British Mock Trial” and the like. The fact that most of the crewmen were spared and only sentenced to jail time seemed fair to the other international powers – but even that raised the anger of the Americans. Their brave naval men were being treated as common criminals. In some quarters, it was thought that if they had all been executed, that they could at least have been considered to have died in service to their country – but thrown in jail? As criminals?[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The US obviously retaliated, treating any allied seaman in similar fashion, which enraged public opinion in not only Britain, but New England and Portugal, too. Even France and the other Powers were aghast.[/FONT]



[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]1 http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/wny1894guide.htm[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palliser_shot OTL's Palliser shot was used in rifled cannon, because the tech had advanced by then. Here they introduce the shot first, then the rifling.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]3 No, I haven't forgotten the ships on the Lakes. We just haven't covered that, yet.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]4 Note that they are working with iron shells, not steel, and gunpowder, not high explosives. Steel and TNT or equivalent were what made the explosive shells of OTL (e.g. WWII) work.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]5 Obviously, being at war with Spain, Britain and Portugual and most of the members of the NeoDelian League, that doesn't leave a lot of neutral ports. The Dutch disapprove of privateers, and while they initially turn a blind eye to the odd bit of resupply in some of their ports, they soon clamp down on that, especially after the League applies some pressure. So they end up having to deal with independent African and Caribbean states – most of whom don't have the military supplies the privateers need anyway. And who also are susceptible to League pressure.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]6 see footnote to League Deliberations, above concerning the OTL Declaration of Paris.[/FONT]
 
Whoo hooo!!!

Of course now with all this talk of Privateer's I'm stuck with Barrett's Privateers in my head all morning...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-PQbdmQRwc

Interesting developments though regarding large cannon rifling and shells. I wonder when Mr. Shrapnel will make his return?

I love Stan Rogers, but I hate you for getting that song stuck in my head. I only recently got it unstuck! :p

RIP Stan Rogers.
 
Dathi

Great to see this back. Looks like its getting very nasty at sea, but the growing strength of the alliance navies and the pressure the League can apply as you say makes it very difficult for the US to maintain pressure on allied trade. However sounds like even after the war there will be a lot of bad feeling, especially in the US as its looking more and more like they will lose heavily.

I'm presuming the swing of opinion against privateers occurred OTL as well? Hadn't realised that.

Steve
 
Great timeline, very smart move on the Royal Navy's part there.
Thanks. Welcome to the thread.

Barrett's Privateers is an exceedingly catchy song, but I like some of his other stuff better.

'45 years from now', 'field behind the plow'. He can really hit some amazing emotional chords.

He wasn't that great a singer - but once you get into his stuff you realize just how well his voice carries his own songs.
 
...John Molson's steamboat the Swiftsure
That's Accommodation, isn't it? (Why? There was supposed to be money to be made. She lost money every season...) I believe General Stacey Smyth was the first military steamer. (Canadian Encyclopedia doesn't mention Swiftsure at all.:()

FYI, Northcote was used in the Riel Rebellion, & there were several PS on the Red River as far north as Winnipeg in the 1860s. TTL, I suspect they'd be there sooner, pulling riverine patrol duty.
 
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I think, I hope, that the Canada I end up with will be legitimately a 'Canada', with direct descent and continuity with Canada at the POD. It won't, and can't be OTL's Canada, obviously.

... I'm wondering if there can't be a something in between an Uber-American federation that is spread across North America and a Revived British Empire that rules North America. This is a question that I've been thinking about for a while so feel free to shoot holes in my ideas, and keep up the good work.
FWI read, the reason for the disparity has a lot to do with the UELs (& the "uncommitted" you mention, too, I imagine) moving north. The UELs, being more "law-abiding", gave Canada her underlying cultural ethos (or so the theory goes). IMO, *Canada TTL, maybe from 1815 on (& certainly later), will be much the same as OTL after WW2: more confident & stronger, but still socially & culturally distinct from even TTL's U.S.: law, order, & good government over individualism; more trust in government over conspiracy theories; RCMP in the Prairies, rather than Army & Indian Wars; Medicare, not "best health care system in the world":)confused::p); Wayne & Schuster, not SNL. Do we produce Superman here, instead? (DYK Joe was Frank's nephew?) Do we produce the Arrow?:cool::cool: (After telling Uncle Sam to go screw on Bomarc...:D)
Nope, it was the Swiftsure, apparently. It was the OTL boat rented by the military, I didn't change anything.
I don't doubt your word.:D I just never heard of it. (And I haven't read the Molson page...:(:()
That device we were prevented from getting or had to pay outrageous prices for from the others lesser tribes that controlled their spread...no longer will our young men work a year to get a stack of beaver pelts for a single gun.
Do I understand you're referring to stacking pelts as high as a rifle to get one? Peter C. Newman's Company of Adventurers (IIRC) claims that's a myth & there was a set price, well known to the Natives. (I don't recall what it was, but not outrageous.) BTW, if you like a great story, well written, read it. (I didn't like the 2d volume, Caesars of the Wilderness, nearly as much.)
Note….counting coup was to touch an armed foe without injuring him. Successful warriors were deemed to be brave men and were so well respected that wars were fought to earn this honour)
Off-topic comment: I understand counting coup was actually rated higher in some cultures, & harming or killing an opponent was considered less skillful. (Did create cross-cultural issues facing whites, who were trying to kill you...)

Looking at this map, I had a thought (if it isn't already overtaken by events:rolleyes:): does this push the U.S. south, into Mexico? Or do we see a war over "54 40 or fight"?

Something else occurs to me: a more powerful *Canada, in the Empire/Commonwealth, could tip the balance in Britain's favor in WW1. That IMO butterflies Hitler & WW2. If it doesn't, *Canada takes much of the role of the U.S. in supplying escort ships & *Liberty/Victory ships (OTL, Park/Fort ships =Libertys, IIRC). It may also mean the Anglo-Japanese treaty persists, which would very probably keep Japan from getting too frisky in China, & certainly prevent war with the U.S. (Provided you don't have the U.S. holding a grudge, allying with a resurgent Germany, & attacking *Canada...:rolleyes::p)
 
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Looking at this map, I had a thought (if it isn't already overtaken by events:rolleyes:): does this push the U.S. south, into Mexico? Or do we see a war over "54 40 or fight"?

Something else occurs to me: a more powerful *Canada, in the Empire/Commonwealth, could tip the balance in Britain's favor in WW1. That IMO butterflies Hitler & WW2. If it doesn't, *Canada takes much of the role of the U.S. in supplying escort ships & *Liberty/Victory ships (OTL, Park/Fort ships =Libertys, IIRC). It may also mean the Anglo-Japanese treaty persists, which would very probably keep Japan from getting too frisky in China, & certainly prevent war with the U.S. (Provided you don't have the U.S. holding a grudge, allying with a resurgent Germany, & attacking *Canada...:rolleyes::p)
Heh. That's the map from page 8. You must not have gotten to page 10 yet, eh?

Butterflies in the rest of the world mean that nothing that's recognizable as WWI will happen. I'm sure there will be conflict, but it's going to be nothing like the same.

As for Japan, it will be opened a few years earlier, and by the British (or the League - but you probably haven't read far enough to see what the League is). Its history will be quite different, but I'm not sure in what specifics.
 
Heh. That's the map from page 8. You must not have gotten to page 10 yet, eh?
You'd be right.;)
Butterflies in the rest of the world mean that nothing that's recognizable as WWI will happen.
I'm less sure that's credible, given OTL events, but I look forward to seeing how you get there.
As for Japan, it will be opened a few years earlier, and by the British ... Its history will be quite different, but I'm not sure in what specifics.
That I like. I expect, if you have Japan at all friendly with Britain, you can avoid a mess of trouble. Frex, the Diet & Constitution are on the German model; if they're on Britain's, you give Japan's PM & Diet genuine control over the Army (which butterflies most of the 2d SJW & all the PW:cool::cool:), just for starters. (Joint training exercises & access for IJN officers to RN schools would be good, too, tho OTL RN SOs were almost as technically ignorant, by & large, as IJN's, & IJN's were as bad as they come. {RCN's, trained RN fashion, were pretty awful, too.} Joint exs also offer RN the chance to observe IJN night training, which was OTL world's best in the '30s & '40s.) You have an opportunity for a Brit PM to mediate the RJW & get himself a Nobel Peace Prize (if the *AJNT doesn't butterfly it entire). You may also avoid the Dreibund & the effective seizure of Japan's conquests after the SJW, which Japan OTL reacted very negatively to. Whether Japan decides to impose the 21 Demands earlier, or get in on the "scramble for Africa", is an open Q, IMO. (I'd lean to 21D more likely, & potential success given Brit support; might lead to *SJW, instead, 1st or 2d depending on when...)
or the League - but you probably haven't read far enough to see what the League is.
Batting 1.000.;)

One other thing occurs to me. Given the importance of controlling lakes/rivers, does some USN smart guy (O. H. Perry?) adopt Sam Colt's electric-fired mine battery idea?:cool: (Yeh, they'd be called torpedoes at the time; let's not confuse the issue.:rolleyes: OTL, mines were first used c1853 off Crimea, by the Russians.) In the same vein, does USN become (somewhat?) expert in riverine warfare against *RCN (RBNAN?:p) PSs?
Overtaken by events, I see...:(:rolleyes:
Infrastructure plan for the new communities means that increased river and road construction is going to take place. Some of this has already occured with the steam boats going but this could be interesting on the Great Lakes as to which way future development goes given the number of potential bays and anchorage available to wait out storms making steam ships more viable earlier than iOTL.
One potential outcome: a much, much earlier demand for something like St Lawrence Seaway, as a defense against U.S. incursions.... Also apparently overtaken by events...:(:(:rolleyes:

Another thing (if it also isn't past its "best by" date already:p): without New England (or a lot of northern states), the 1850 Compromise allowing 1 free for 1 slave state is impossible, so ACW is probably earlier...
 
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Another thing (if it also isn't past its "best by" date already:p): without New England (or a lot of northern states), the 1850 Compromise allowing 1 free for 1 slave state is impossible, so ACW is probably earlier...
Ah, but the US is almost completely hemmed in, so the big 'are territories going to be slave or free' question is largely avoided, in many ways. Keep reading.:)
 
For some reason I was always amuse by the possibility of the Briths Carabean possession being incorporated into Canada

It nearly did in the 20's I believe. Britain was tired of funding the Caribbean and Canada offered to take it off British hands. Britain strongly considered the proposal before ultimately saying no.

Also, bump. I want more Canada Wank! :(
 
It nearly did in the 20's I believe. Britain was tired of funding the Caribbean and Canada offered to take it off British hands. Britain strongly considered the proposal before ultimately saying no.

Also, bump. I want more Canada Wank! :(

Agreed, especially since I'm away for a week from next Friday so want a fix please before I go Dathi. [Pretty please:D]

Steve
 
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