Interesting idea, but why is Pittsburgh German speaking? The area was solidly Ulster Scots, and was named after the PM of Britain (Pitt the Elder)
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My POD was the Lenape didn't accept the Walking Purchase without a fight. During the war against the Lenape the Pennsylvanians accepted all the German immigrants they could get to help fight against the Lenape in exchange for tracts of land to settle on. So there's more Germans in Pennsylvania. As to why the split, with the larger numbers of Germans in Pennsylvania, the surrounding English get even more xenophobic and go and burn Germantown in an attempt to purge the Greater Philadelphia region of Germans.
Thanks for pointing out that fact about Pittsburgh, I'll look for a more Germanic name for it, or perhaps I'll keep the French name of Duquesne since Quebec is on friendly terms with these German states and helps support them to keep the Dominion of New England and the Southern Confederation from uniting (the anti-German feelings of the English put the German-factions off from making alliances with surrounding English colonies). However an alternate more Germanic name would probably be appropriate. Perhaps Fredericksburg or maybe they'd name it for the fact that three rivers meet there (as I did with the province name): Dreifluss?
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A brilliant map, but I noticed one minor detail. The map is set in 1848, but Norway is independent, which IOTL it didn't achieve until 1905.
A map I made. It's not supposed tobe...good, or anything, I just was bored. The year is 1550, and the POD is that a third Kingdom of Burgundy was successfully created.
Burgundy has expanded and its King is now the King of both Kingdoms of Sicily, as well as Duke of Brittany. Those countries have been brought into the HRE, but the Papal States' independence has been gauranteed. The King of Burgundy is the HRE. Austria has inherited neither the thrones of Spain nor Hungary.
Algiers collapsed, resulting in Spanish and Papal conquest, and the creation of a new state in the interior.
Denmark is just barely keeping Sweden under control.
Neither the Aztecs nor the Incas have been conquered yet, as Spain has been occupied with consolidating the integration of Portugal. France has managed to keep England at bay, but has fallen into disunity again, allowing Navarre and Burgundy to encroach.
Poland-Lithuania is in disarray, with rebellions in north-central Poland and the release of a Belarussian vassal state.
Hungary-Bohemia and the Ottomans have allied against the Crimean and Caucasus khanates and the Mamluks, and have come to an agreement about the status of various Christian Ottoman vassal states.
The Ottoman Empire and Mamluks have created buffer areas governed by friendly tribes and clans, and both the Ottomans and Safavids claim lordship over Iraq and the Median kingdoms.
The Safavids have concentrated on northwest India (the Mughals have been butterflied away), and the Delhi Sultanate is a shadow of its former power.
Burgundy has colonies in the East Indies and North America.
A new dynasty has taken over the Pandyan kingdom and has conquered much of southern India, and, inheriting the Chola seafaring tradtion, is leading a number of campaigns in Southeast Asia. Their king is an innovative man who is trying to make the Pandyan kingdom a center of the arts and sciences.
Burgundy has expanded and its King is now the King of both Kingdoms of Sicily, as well as Duke of Brittany. Those countries have been brought into the HRE, but the Papal States' independence has been gauranteed. The King of Burgundy is the HRE. Austria has inherited neither the thrones of Spain nor Hungary.
Algiers collapsed, resulting in Spanish and Papal conquest, and the creation of a new state in the interior.
Denmark is just barely keeping Sweden under control.
Neither the Aztecs nor the Incas have been conquered yet, as Spain has been occupied with consolidating the integration of Portugal. France has managed to keep England at bay, but has fallen into disunity again, allowing Navarre and Burgundy to encroach.
Poland-Lithuania is in disarray, with rebellions in north-central Poland and the release of a Belarussian vassal state.
Hungary-Bohemia and the Ottomans have allied against the Crimean and Caucasus khanates and the Mamluks, and have come to an agreement about the status of various Christian Ottoman vassal states.
The Ottoman Empire and Mamluks have created buffer areas governed by friendly tribes and clans, and both the Ottomans and Safavids claim lordship over Iraq and the Median kingdoms.
The Safavids have concentrated on northwest India (the Mughals have been butterflied away), and the Delhi Sultanate is a shadow of its former power.
Burgundy has colonies in the East Indies and North America.
A new dynasty has taken over the Pandyan kingdom and has conquered much of southern India, and, inheriting the Chola seafaring tradtion, is leading a number of campaigns in Southeast Asia. Their king is an innovative man who is trying to make the Pandyan kingdom a center of the arts and sciences.
Susano
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Hm, nice. Well, obviosuly Id find it nice
And it appears "Pennsylvania Dutch" has already been quite anglicised on several counts ITTL
Maharajah: Hm, nice. Of course, maybe at that timeframe an Europe map would have been more helpful than a world map... and I dont think with those changes at at that time Brandenburg and Austria are sufficiently powerful to be marked on the map, heh.
I had put this in the ASB Map Thread (where it rightfully belongs) a few days ago, but no one has commented on it. I'd like to receive constructive criticism, s'il vous plait. So without further ado....
Wanked Soviet Union!
PODs:
Pre WWII:
- Far Eastern republic not reincorporated into the Russian SFSR
- Outer Mongolia is occupied. Instead of being spun off with a communist government, it is incorporated into the USSR.
- All Jews are deported to the Jewish Autonomous Oblast, which is elevated to the status of SSR.
- Abkhaz SSR is split from the Georgian SSR
WWII:
- Soviets don't become a synonym for failure during the Winter War, Finland is annexed into the Soviet Union.
- Soviets grab more of Moldavia during the peace process.
- Tyva Tuva is annexed, but instead of joining the Russian SFSR as an ASSR, it becomes its own republic.
- Manchuria, Uyghuristan, Inner Mongolia and northern Korea are occupied during Operation August Storm. Stalin doesn't let them go. Inner Mongolia is folded into Outer Mongolia, and the Uighur, Manchu and Korean SSRs are formed.
Post WWII:
- War with Iran during the 1950s. Soviets annex the Azeri provinces and parts of northeastern Iran. Azeri SSR and Turkmen SSR expanded.
- Bulgaria and Poland request SSR status within the Soviet Union proper, and their wishes are granted.
- Uprisings in Czechoslovakia, Hungary and Romania see Soviet troops occupy those countries. In order to be dealt with properly, they are added into the USSR as the Czech, Slovak, Magyar and Romanian SSRs.
- Invasion of Afghanistan in the 1980s is successful. Tajik, Uzbek and Turkmen SSRs are expanded to incorporate areas which hold their respective ethnicities. Pashtun SSR created out of the south.
Notes:
- This mad Soviet expansion caused Sweden, Austria and Yugoslavia to sign the North Atlantic Treaty.
- The Japanese were able to secure vastly larger areas of China during the Sino-Japanese War, which is what lead to the taking of Uyghuristan and Inner Mongolia with OTLs taking of Manchuria.
- The Crimea was not transferred to the Ukrainian SSR
- The countries in blue are members of NATO. The lighter red countries are the remaining Warsaw Pact members (East Germany and Albania).
Please don't kill me! *runs away*
Wanked Soviet Union!
PODs:
Pre WWII:
- Far Eastern republic not reincorporated into the Russian SFSR
- Outer Mongolia is occupied. Instead of being spun off with a communist government, it is incorporated into the USSR.
- All Jews are deported to the Jewish Autonomous Oblast, which is elevated to the status of SSR.
- Abkhaz SSR is split from the Georgian SSR
WWII:
- Soviets don't become a synonym for failure during the Winter War, Finland is annexed into the Soviet Union.
- Soviets grab more of Moldavia during the peace process.
- Tyva Tuva is annexed, but instead of joining the Russian SFSR as an ASSR, it becomes its own republic.
- Manchuria, Uyghuristan, Inner Mongolia and northern Korea are occupied during Operation August Storm. Stalin doesn't let them go. Inner Mongolia is folded into Outer Mongolia, and the Uighur, Manchu and Korean SSRs are formed.
Post WWII:
- War with Iran during the 1950s. Soviets annex the Azeri provinces and parts of northeastern Iran. Azeri SSR and Turkmen SSR expanded.
- Bulgaria and Poland request SSR status within the Soviet Union proper, and their wishes are granted.
- Uprisings in Czechoslovakia, Hungary and Romania see Soviet troops occupy those countries. In order to be dealt with properly, they are added into the USSR as the Czech, Slovak, Magyar and Romanian SSRs.
- Invasion of Afghanistan in the 1980s is successful. Tajik, Uzbek and Turkmen SSRs are expanded to incorporate areas which hold their respective ethnicities. Pashtun SSR created out of the south.
Notes:
- This mad Soviet expansion caused Sweden, Austria and Yugoslavia to sign the North Atlantic Treaty.
- The Japanese were able to secure vastly larger areas of China during the Sino-Japanese War, which is what lead to the taking of Uyghuristan and Inner Mongolia with OTLs taking of Manchuria.
- The Crimea was not transferred to the Ukrainian SSR
- The countries in blue are members of NATO. The lighter red countries are the remaining Warsaw Pact members (East Germany and Albania).
Please don't kill me! *runs away*
Sachyriel
Banned
...Do you have a train schedule for that country? Because if you rode all the trains on that state-owned and operated railroad it would probably circle around the entire globe
And the Russians trust the Poles now that they're Soviet brothers? That works, I guess.
Here is just a random map I made. Btw it is my first one:
List of nations:
Red: United British Territories
Dark Grey: Germany
Slate Blue-ish: Kingdom of Bourbon
Purple: Greek Republic
Mauve: Tsardom of Russia
Light Yellow: Republic of Romania
Brown: Ottoman Empire
Green: Chinese Empire
Yellow: Persian Empire
Pink: Kingdom of Siam
List of former, now independant colonies:
Light Grey: Federal Republic of America
Orange: Andes Republic
Dark Green: Free Republic of South Africa
PS: I would really like to get some feedback!
List of nations:
Red: United British Territories
Dark Grey: Germany
Slate Blue-ish: Kingdom of Bourbon
Purple: Greek Republic
Mauve: Tsardom of Russia
Light Yellow: Republic of Romania
Brown: Ottoman Empire
Green: Chinese Empire
Yellow: Persian Empire
Pink: Kingdom of Siam
List of former, now independant colonies:
Light Grey: Federal Republic of America
Orange: Andes Republic
Dark Green: Free Republic of South Africa
PS: I would really like to get some feedback!
Philip
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Welcome to AH.com. Get ready for some criticism, and don't quit after one map.
Don't make random maps. Put some thought into the history, politics, cultures, etc.
Don't do this. Label the countries in the map or make a colored legend. Naming the colors is just annoying.
Avoid space-fiiling empires. You've reduced the number of states in the world by two orders of magnitude. If you are going to do this, you'd better have a good reason why.
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Here's a random map
Some inspiration drawn from an old Ray Speer post over at soc.history.what-if
It's a world where an alt-Kaiser loved planes and automobiles but disliked ships (he was prone to seasickness) and less prone to WTF statements: tensions between Germany and the UK were much lessened, and when an alt-WWI came along, the Brits stayed neutral and negotiated a peace favorable to the Germans.
Red Revolution came to France rather than Russia, and thanks to an early French lead in the investigation of the curious properies of uranium, was able to make the spread of Red Revolution to Iberia and most of Frances' remaining colonies a fait accompli. The flame of revolution spread to the rest of the colonized world.
Nowadays, the Great Era of Revolution is largely over, as the Latin People's Union has been forced to move away from orthodox communist economics to a more functional sort of state-capitalism, and has largely given up on the world-revolution thing (although they still hold out hopes for planetary ecological disaster). Only in Gueveraite Argentina and Naxalite south India does the pure flame yet burn.
The US never fought a war with Spain, and Cuba and Puerto Rico house the Spanish government-in-exile, a sort of Iberian Taiwan. (The Phillipines managed to break away from Spain on their own a few years later than OTLs Spanish-American war, and later were quite good buddies with the Empire of Japan until its unfortunate accident). The US has been less involved in the Pacific in general: Hawaii ended up a British protectorate, and its very mixed Asian, British, and Polynesian population nowadays constitute an independent republic.
Russia is nowadays a constitutional monarchy, about as rich as OTL South Korea. It is a major manufacturing and exporting nation, and has close ties to the northern Chinese and the Koreans.
The US is a somewhat more conservative nation than our US (by which I do not mean tea-bagger-Palinite-wingnut conservative, more the old-fashioned sort): on the downside, "states rights" prevailed rather longer (in some southern states, segregation did not end until the 1990s), but on the upside a more rational debate means the US has had national healthcare since the 1970s, and reality TV never caught on. The US has long been actively involved in the Struggle Vs Communism, most often in partnership with the UK, which by avoiding two world wars managed to muster the energy to create a closer Federation centered on the "White Commonwealth."
The US has not enjoyed any ventures as ghastly as Vietnam OTL, but it has been involved in several third-world military efforts to stamp out Red Badness, with varying levels of success (Nigeria was sort of a clusterfuck, and the occupation of Hawaii was a long one, but they have so far managed to prevent Communism from spreading in the New World beyond Argentina: a suspicious Nicaraguan government was toppled by US marines only last year, and order has not yet been fully established).
The Latin Union is a fairly nasty dictatorship, but it's racially quite egalitarian: of the 129 million inhabitants of its European territories, some 12% are of African or other third-world descent.
Decolonization was more drawn out and even messier than OTL: India broke up, Nigeria did the same as a result of the US/UK intervention, and it is estimated that the Germans killed off 1 in 7 Tanganykans before they threw in the towel and withdrew their settlers. As a result of the rather complicated events following the Portuguese revolution, Angola ended up as part of Brazil: with it's already huge black and mixed population, Brazil had less trouble than other countries in assimilating its new overseas departments.
Feeling their oats after the British left, the Egyptians managed to create an united republic with the Sudan, and began stirring up trouble in Italian Libya (pretty assimilated into the never-Fascist kingdom of Italy nowadays) and the Ottoman Arab provinces, a process with ended in the Egyptian-Turkish nuclear exchange of '89, several million deaths, the partial crumbling of both states, and the emergence of the Community of Allah. (The Ottomans had squashed the Saudis rather thoroughly, but pushing religion underground ofen just makes it wackier. The Community is roughly on a par with OTLs Taliban when it comes to the wacky, although they are in favor of education for women, television, and science (especially those sciences involving things that go boom.))
Japan, after stumbling into a war with the UK, Russia and the Netherlands in the 40s, going through a Red revolution, and then a conservative counterrevolution, still hasn't recovered enough to be considered a first-rate power, although apocalyptic Buddhism is on the wane and political assassinations have largely ceased. Reunification talks between capitalist North China and the socialist (in their own special way) south are currently stalled.
Bruce
Some inspiration drawn from an old Ray Speer post over at soc.history.what-if
It's a world where an alt-Kaiser loved planes and automobiles but disliked ships (he was prone to seasickness) and less prone to WTF statements: tensions between Germany and the UK were much lessened, and when an alt-WWI came along, the Brits stayed neutral and negotiated a peace favorable to the Germans.
Red Revolution came to France rather than Russia, and thanks to an early French lead in the investigation of the curious properies of uranium, was able to make the spread of Red Revolution to Iberia and most of Frances' remaining colonies a fait accompli. The flame of revolution spread to the rest of the colonized world.
Nowadays, the Great Era of Revolution is largely over, as the Latin People's Union has been forced to move away from orthodox communist economics to a more functional sort of state-capitalism, and has largely given up on the world-revolution thing (although they still hold out hopes for planetary ecological disaster). Only in Gueveraite Argentina and Naxalite south India does the pure flame yet burn.
The US never fought a war with Spain, and Cuba and Puerto Rico house the Spanish government-in-exile, a sort of Iberian Taiwan. (The Phillipines managed to break away from Spain on their own a few years later than OTLs Spanish-American war, and later were quite good buddies with the Empire of Japan until its unfortunate accident). The US has been less involved in the Pacific in general: Hawaii ended up a British protectorate, and its very mixed Asian, British, and Polynesian population nowadays constitute an independent republic.
Russia is nowadays a constitutional monarchy, about as rich as OTL South Korea. It is a major manufacturing and exporting nation, and has close ties to the northern Chinese and the Koreans.
The US is a somewhat more conservative nation than our US (by which I do not mean tea-bagger-Palinite-wingnut conservative, more the old-fashioned sort): on the downside, "states rights" prevailed rather longer (in some southern states, segregation did not end until the 1990s), but on the upside a more rational debate means the US has had national healthcare since the 1970s, and reality TV never caught on. The US has long been actively involved in the Struggle Vs Communism, most often in partnership with the UK, which by avoiding two world wars managed to muster the energy to create a closer Federation centered on the "White Commonwealth."
The US has not enjoyed any ventures as ghastly as Vietnam OTL, but it has been involved in several third-world military efforts to stamp out Red Badness, with varying levels of success (Nigeria was sort of a clusterfuck, and the occupation of Hawaii was a long one, but they have so far managed to prevent Communism from spreading in the New World beyond Argentina: a suspicious Nicaraguan government was toppled by US marines only last year, and order has not yet been fully established).
The Latin Union is a fairly nasty dictatorship, but it's racially quite egalitarian: of the 129 million inhabitants of its European territories, some 12% are of African or other third-world descent.
Decolonization was more drawn out and even messier than OTL: India broke up, Nigeria did the same as a result of the US/UK intervention, and it is estimated that the Germans killed off 1 in 7 Tanganykans before they threw in the towel and withdrew their settlers. As a result of the rather complicated events following the Portuguese revolution, Angola ended up as part of Brazil: with it's already huge black and mixed population, Brazil had less trouble than other countries in assimilating its new overseas departments.
Feeling their oats after the British left, the Egyptians managed to create an united republic with the Sudan, and began stirring up trouble in Italian Libya (pretty assimilated into the never-Fascist kingdom of Italy nowadays) and the Ottoman Arab provinces, a process with ended in the Egyptian-Turkish nuclear exchange of '89, several million deaths, the partial crumbling of both states, and the emergence of the Community of Allah. (The Ottomans had squashed the Saudis rather thoroughly, but pushing religion underground ofen just makes it wackier. The Community is roughly on a par with OTLs Taliban when it comes to the wacky, although they are in favor of education for women, television, and science (especially those sciences involving things that go boom.))
Japan, after stumbling into a war with the UK, Russia and the Netherlands in the 40s, going through a Red revolution, and then a conservative counterrevolution, still hasn't recovered enough to be considered a first-rate power, although apocalyptic Buddhism is on the wane and political assassinations have largely ceased. Reunification talks between capitalist North China and the socialist (in their own special way) south are currently stalled.
Bruce
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