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Lake Champlain, late summer 1813


Lake Champlain, late summer 1813

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Slightly downriver (Richelieu) from Lake Champlain is the island Île aux Noix. The British had a base there, commanded by Major George Taylor (he came under DeRottenburg's command based at Montreal.) ITTL, they start building some ships to contest Lake Champlain [OTL, that didn't happen until later]. On May 26 [OTL 2 June], [/FONT]Lieut. Sidney Smith is ordered north with the Growler and the Eagle to investigate. Contrary to the advice and direction of Macdonough (the US naval commander on the lake), the sloops advance into Canada down the Richelieu chasing three British gunboats. By the time they had approached the British base at Isle aux Noix, the American vessels were in trouble, and in the narrow confines of the river, Taylor was able to ambush them with 3 gunboats and a swarm of rowboats. After fighting for 3 ½ [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]hours, the US boats surrendered. They were taken into British service, the Eagle as the Broke [OTL, later Finch], the Growler as the Shannon [OTL, later Chub][/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Meanwhile, the US is bringing in reinforcements. During the month of June, f[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ive companies of the Thirteenth U.S. Infantry arrive at [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Burlington[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] together with a detachment of artillery and two 24- pounders for emplacement at the battery there. Troops continue to arrive all month, by the end of June some 4,000 soldiers are stationed at Burlington, including some 800 militia. This brought the numbers back up to what they had been the previous winter. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]As news of the [ATL] defeat at Sackett's Harbor reaches Monroe at Albany [where he, like Dearborn had stationed himself to control the northern border], he searches for more troops to be sent to Burlington. With Sackett's Harbor gone, and the Great Lakes under British control, the Lake Champlain corridor is the only effective invasion route into eastern Canada left. However, it takes a while to find those extra troops, as reinforcements are also being sent to Oswego (with the intent of continuing to Sackett's Harbor). General Wade Hampton is expedited north so he arrives on 24 June 1813 [OTL 3 July] and found the place such a mess that he didn't even report his arrival for 10 days. Total chaos.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Note that Burlington was not very happy with the US troops there. The winter before, diarrhea, measles, smallpox and a particularly violent and contagious form of pneumonia had spread through the ranks. These killed at least one in 8 of the soldiers, and spread to the civilian population, where 1 in 20 died. Often communities welcome the military, liking both the protection and the extra money and commerce that result, but not here.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The British, too, realise that this is the only corridor left for the US to come north, and that they have a window of opportunity to block it. Prevost pulls rank and commandeers Captain Thomas Everard (whose ship Wasp was at Quebec City) with 80 men. Everard only wanted to go for 2 weeks, but is basically told 'shut up and follow orders'. Both send notes to Admiral Warren (explaining and complaining, respectively), but Prevost IS nominally in charge of ALL His Majesty's forces in North America, with a courtesy rank of Vice Admiral, even if he rarely uses it. He also redirects Commander Daniel Pring who was in transit to serve on Lake Ontario. Warren, while he might have done things differently, agrees this was a reasonable solution. [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]On the land side, Brock pulls together the largest force he can, piecing together some of the permanent forces that hit Sackett's, calling up the new Upper and Lower Canada militias that formed in the winter and are now available. Obviously, most of the Sackett's Harbor troops are still busy dealing with the aftermath of the attack, which happened about the same time as Taylor captured the US boats and gained control over the lake. However, pulling together the number of bateaux necessary and calling up the militias, etc., takes some time, so by the time they're ready to move, many of the troops from Sackett's are available. In particular, Lieutenant Colonel Charles de Salaberry, having performed very well with his Voltigeurs Canadiens both during Dearborn's fiasco of an invasion attempt last November, and in this attack at Sackett's [both as OTL] is rewarded by promotion to full Colonel and given command of the “1[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]e[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] Regiment nouveaux de [/FONT]Carignan-Salières[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]”, consisting of his Voltigeurs and the Chasseurs Canadiens. [Unfortunately his promotion is only ATL.] And his major, Frederick Heriot is promoted to Lieutenant Colonel and command of the Voltigeurs.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Note, the Carignan-Salières regiment was a regular company in the days of New France. It had a famous reputation, and the resurrection of the name is part of Prevost and Brock's plan to encourage enlistment and pride among the Canadien population. [Thank you Foresterab for the suggestion.] Note that while the Voltigeurs were supposed to be militia, de Salaberry signed them up for the duration, and trained them as if they were regulars. The name Carignan-Salières will be reserved for units of this calibre. [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Brock heads up the Richelieu with his force, some 5000 strong (some 2000 of these are militia that will go home after the campaign), arriving at Lake Champlain on July 14. [The OTL, Murray's Raid had rather less force, some sources say ~1400, some ~1900 men, and was under a Lieutenant Colonel.][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Arriving at Plattsburgh 2 days latter, they attacked it and took it, there being only a few hundred militia there. The force then heads down to Burlington Vermont. The defences are too strong for a naval attack, so the force lands north of town and advances on the battery overlooking the town and the bay. While General Hampton has 4000 men, they were in a state of chaos only 3 weeks before, and they are not all entirely healthy. The British manage to seize the battery before Hampton can get his men properly in position and are then able to turn the guns on Hampton's men who are also attacking uphill. Hampton might tactically have been better to stay on the defensive, but he could not politically afford to let the British keep a foothold above the town. After a hard day's fighting, with serious casualties on both sides, Hampton has to surrender. The British send a messenger to the mayor. Burlington is a very nice town. Does he really want it burnt to the ground/destroyed in fighting? Or will he and his people cooperate? While he is really not enthusiastic about being occupied by British troops, he wasn't terribly happy about being occupied by American ones either. The townsfolk help get the unfinished naval vessels in launchable state and all the naval supplies aboard the various boats. The Brits take these back to Plattsburgh, which they intend to use as their new base. [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Note that the extra vessels in this Lake Champlain flotilla (once they are all repaired/finished), justify brevetting Everard as Commodore, which makes him a lot happier with being stuck on a LAKE. [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Meanwhile, word has been sent to Montpelier, and the governor, Jonas Galusha, arrives with a body of militia. The British say that, yes, they could fight, but what would that do to the lovely little town of Burlington, here. The militia would lose anyway, and what would be the point. Let's all come to a friendly agreement, shall we? The British have just captured all the American warships on the lake, both finished and unfinished, and the shipbuilders who could build more. So they have absolute uncontested and uncontestable control over the lake. If Vermont undertakes to keep within her borders and leave the British alone, the British will return the favour. (This obviously includes not letting US troops attack through Vermont.) Otherwise, of course, the British would be forced (sigh!) to loot and rape/lay waste and burn and let loose their Indian allies all through this lovely countryside. It would be SUCH a pity to let that happen. [Cue crocodile tears.][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The governor is infuriated, offended and horrified, but presented with those options, isn't quite sure how to respond. He points out that states are constitutionally prohibited from entering into treaties or agreements with foreign powers. Brock points out a gentleman's agreement between the two men would do for starters – that Vermont can do what she wants thereafter, just be aware what the British response will be. This is partly a bluff, as he knows that a) his militia will have to return home soon, and b) some of his regulars may also be needed elsewhere. However, while the governor may suspect there is some bluffing, he doesn't know how much, and with the British removal of the troops, ships and cannon, it wouldn't take much to return and devastate the town. And subtle hints, without being crass about it, suggest how very profitable it would be for Vermont.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]So he agrees. He does point out that he may not be governor in 2 months time, and since this is 'a gentleman's agreement between two men', he can't bind his successor, but does allow as how his successor might see the same realities. Brock agrees, and the British forces pull out, leaving absolutely nothing of military value in the town, but leaving it completely undamaged (well, except for the common room of one tavern, but the soldiers involved paid for the damage.)[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Brock leaves 2000 men in Plattsburgh, and rebuilds it as a British base, finishing off the incomplete ships and assuring total mastery of the lake for the foreseeable future. Note that this forward base means that the garrison in Montreal can be reduced as there is really no way to attack her except up through Lake Champlain (which is now blocked off) or up the Lake Ontario shore and down the St. Lawrence (which requires control of Lake Ontario, which the US has also lost). So Montreal is safe until one of those two facts change. [hint – they won't][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]By the time the situation has settled down, those militia freed for harvest that only signed up for a short stint, and so on, it is now into August. [/FONT]

 
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Nice work on the Great Lakes....one of the biggest british failures of the war had to be ignoring control of them and failing to build up the forces early.

Thanks for letting me see my decendents regiment again...nice touch!

Two questions...what happens to Maine now that Vermont is removed? Maine and New Brunswick traded accross borders alot during this conflict so does Maine become an unofficial nuetral with Vermonts removal?

Also...due to that short french guy Napolean the Royal Navy lost it's supply of Baltic spars used for ship masts. Given all the new construction and attention does this mean that Canada will now become more of a lumber exporter sooner than OTL? There are still white pine in Canada marked with a crown reserved for the Royal Navy shipyards today..
 
Dathi

Good chapter but I doubt Brock would make a comment about the danger of rape and looting as the British kept their troops under pretty tight control during the war and had some contempt for the Americans because of there behaviour. There was a case of some French royalists serving with the British army raiding the east coast in 1813-14 but after that occurred the units with withdrawn from operations in disgrace.

Not to say that he wouldn't have made comments about the hazards of war and the destruction it could bring.;) No one would want their town to become a battlefield after all. However can't see him openly threatening that his troops would lose control, let alone be encouraged to. Both because it would be counter productive and alien to the viewpoint of the army commanders at in that period. Even with British troops ran amoke at the storming of Badajoz, where it could be said they had what passed for military law on their side at the time Wellington restored order as soon as practical. It just needs a reference to the sheer destruction that can occur if the Americans decide on a battle in Burlington.

As far as I understand it relations with pretty much all the New England states were fairly good. They traded with the British and there was a de-facto truce, which enabled men from the Maritime provinces to help out in the defence of Canada.

However, as you say, this pretty much makes Canada secure by land without a lot of long and costly infrastructure development to support much larger forces reaching the front. And they definitely aren't going to be attacking from the sea. If the Americans have any sense they will start talking peace, although they could find the prices pretty high.

Steve
 
Dathi

Good chapter but I doubt Brock would make a comment about the danger of rape and looting as the British kept their troops under pretty tight control during the war and had some contempt for the Americans because of there behaviour. There was a case of some French royalists serving with the British army raiding the east coast in 1813-14 but after that occurred the units with withdrawn from operations in disgrace.

Not to say that he wouldn't have made comments about the hazards of war and the destruction it could bring.;) No one would want their town to become a battlefield after all. However can't see him openly threatening that his troops would lose control, let alone be encouraged to. Both because it would be counter productive and alien to the viewpoint of the army commanders at in that period. Even with British troops ran amoke at the storming of Badajoz, where it could be said they had what passed for military law on their side at the time Wellington restored order as soon as practical. It just needs a reference to the sheer destruction that can occur if the Americans decide on a battle in Burlington.

As far as I understand it relations with pretty much all the New England states were fairly good. They traded with the British and there was a de-facto truce, which enabled men from the Maritime provinces to help out in the defence of Canada.

However, as you say, this pretty much makes Canada secure by land without a lot of long and costly infrastructure development to support much larger forces reaching the front. And they definitely aren't going to be attacking from the sea. If the Americans have any sense they will start talking peace, although they could find the prices pretty high.

Steve
Umm... OK, you have a point. Let's at least remove the word 'rape' from Brock's comment. However, they simply cannot afford to have a hostile base here if it can be avoided. If they simply burn the ships and shipyard, then Macdonough moves his operation a bit south to Vergennes (as he did OTL), and is difficult to assail. If they apply a scorched earth policy (which Wellington did in FRIENDLY Portugal), then the ability of the US to rebuild on Lake Champlain is greatly reduced.

Yes, a scorched earth campaign in Vermont would lose Britain a lot of friends there - but it would knock down enemies, too. Note that Vermont was the one New England state that raised significant militia forces for Federal use (they served in Plattsburgh across the lake, e.g.), and Galusha was the only Republican governor in all New England.

Brock's offering a carrot and stick. He wants Vermont to be neutral de facto, and can offer, or at least hint at, increased commerce and financial benefits.

Note that, due to various reasons, the tensions between the two sides are higher and rising. There is a lot of virulent anti-republicanism in TTL's forces (due to the French royalists), and how much control Brock can exert is another question. (Do you have any information on the later fate of the Chasseurs Britanique? IIRC, my source(s?) said they were removed from the theatre, I don't remember they're being disbanded.

Threatening to loose her Indian allies was always a tool in Britain's toolchest, even if OTL it was mostly implied not explicit. For that matter, Tecumseh was trying to reign it his own people.

I think, to be fair, I will go back and retcon a few things in that post.

Edit: consider words in red deleted and substituted for by the words in green. Do those changes help?
 
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Thanks for letting me see my decendents regiment again...nice touch!
Ya, well it was a good idea, thanks.

Two questions...what happens to Maine now that Vermont is removed? Maine and New Brunswick traded accross borders alot during this conflict so does Maine become an unofficial nuetral with Vermonts removal?
OTL, eastern Maine was peaceably occupied by the Brits in 1814, I believe, I don't think it's scheduled to happen yet. The forces used were largely, IIRC, marines and forces that were freed by the winding down of the war in Europe. From all accounts, the locals prefered the trading advantages of not being blockaded.

Also...due to that short french guy Napolean the Royal Navy lost it's supply of Baltic spars used for ship masts. Given all the new construction and attention does this mean that Canada will now become more of a lumber exporter sooner than OTL? There are still white pine in Canada marked with a crown reserved for the Royal Navy shipyards today..
Note that the extra production of ships iTTL is all on the Great Lakes (including Lake Champlain), and AFAIK sourced entirely with local wood. We are talking sloops and frigates here. Actually, OTL both the US and the Brits built a ship of the line (the British one was bigger than Nelson's Victory!) on Lake Ontario, but they weren't finished in time to be used, and iTTL aren't needed.

The Baltic, if it isn't opened up yet, is about to be, but I don't see any obvious need for a change in policy from OTL. I believe a fair bit of naval materiel was sourced from NS and NB iOTL and iTTL. Steamships are probably coming, if anything, faster, so the Maritime's naval heyday may be even shorter than OTL's.
 
Two questions...what happens to Maine now that Vermont is removed? Maine and New Brunswick traded accross borders alot during this conflict so does Maine become an unofficial nuetral with Vermonts removal?
Ya, Vermont and especially New York supplied most of the meat the British forces consumed in this war, and Pennsylvania supplied the wheat that allowed the Peninsular armies to operate. Madison and company didn't dare shut down wheat exports, for fear of loss of Pennsylvania votes.

As I see it, MA, NH, CT and RI were contributing almost nothing to the war effort. In fact, Massachussetts treated militia signing up for the regular army as deserters! I will get to some of that later, I hope.
 
Umm... OK, you have a point. Let's at least remove the word 'rape' from Brock's comment. However, they simply cannot afford to have a hostile base here if it can be avoided. If they simply burn the ships and shipyard, then Macdonough moves his operation a bit south to Vergennes (as he did OTL), and is difficult to assail. If they apply a scorched earth policy (which Wellington did in FRIENDLY Portugal), then the ability of the US to rebuild on Lake Champlain is greatly reduced.

True Wellington did that in central Portugal to make the approach to the Lines in front of Portugal more difficult. Was it with the agreement or opposition of the Portugese leadership however? Also I thought it more a case of removing food and subsistance as well as bringing as much of the population as possible inside the defences. Agree that Brock will do it if he feels its necessary however, but will wish to avoid it.


Yes, a scorched earth campaign in Vermont would lose Britain a lot of friends there - but it would knock down enemies, too. Note that Vermont was the one New England state that raised significant militia forces for Federal use (they served in Plattsburgh across the lake, e.g.), and Galusha was the only Republican governor in all New England.

Brock's offering a carrot and stick. He wants Vermont to be neutral de facto, and can offer, or at least hint at, increased commerce and financial benefits.
Ah! I didn't realise that Vermont was something of an exception to the hostility to the war in the NE area. That would make more sense under those circumstances. Although as I say I think he would word things more subtly


Note that, due to various reasons, the tensions between the two sides are higher and rising. There is a lot of virulent anti-republicanism in TTL's forces (due to the French royalists), and how much control Brock can exert is another question. (Do you have any information on the later fate of the Chasseurs Britanique? IIRC, my source(s?) said they were removed from the theatre, I don't remember they're being disbanded.
That is a point as well with more strong royalists involved on the British side and the control of forces in such isolated regions was always difficult to ensure.

I could be remembering things wrongly as it was just a brief reference in a book I read quite a number of years ago now. Knew they were withdrawn from operations and thought [or possibly just assumed] that some disciplinary action would be taken.


Threatening to loose her Indian allies was always a tool in Britain's toolchest, even if OTL it was mostly implied not explicit. For that matter, Tecumseh was trying to reign it his own people.
Very true on both point.:D

I think, to be fair, I will go back and retcon a few things in that post.

Edit: consider words in red deleted and substituted for by the words in green. Do those changes help?
OK, that looks a lot better. Gets the message across without being too brutal or offensive and possibly causing deep resentment and hostility. Also the governor has got to consider his position. If he prevents useful trade prospects, or worse still is responsible for getting their homes burnt down then his re-election chances could take a knock.:D

Thanks

Steve
 
Northwest, early fall 1813


Northwest, early fall 1813


The US is absolutely furious at the recent reverses they have suffered and desperately want to retaliate. By 1 May, they've lost control over both Lake Erie and Ontario, which makes the plans for a resumed offensive so much scrap. After June 1, they can't use Sackett's Harbor as an offensive base, so they push on the Lake Champlain route, and lose that, too, by 1 August.​

As all of this sinks in, Armstrong and Monroe and the various generals in charge have start from scratch. [Note: OTL, Harrison's retaking of Detroit and invasion of Canada up the Thames river waited all summer until the Battle of Lake Erie when the US gained full control of the lake.]​

This decision making process is complicated by the fact that Wilkinson, who was summoned north from New Orleans in March didn't make it as far as Washington DC until 31 July [OTL], so, while he had been meant to second Dearborn, and (probably) to replace him at some future point, Dearborn's capture makes his elevation to command of the 9th Military District (northern NY, northern PA, VT, etc.) more urgent. And it's hard to make plans when the man in charge of carrying them out isn't around to talk to! Monroe, being in overall charge, could have taken over the planning, but he wasn't planning on leading the men into battle, so thought he should leave the details of planning to Wilkinson. Moreover, Monroe is busy with other tasks that will be discussed later.

At this point, there are only two options of any plausibility for a major campaign. One would be to advance overland to the Niagara frontier, and try to attack there again. Without water-borne support, this would be really tough, and what would it gain them? It would largely be just to annoy the Brits. (Not, mind you, that that isn't a significant plus, but it's hardly a good basis for a major campaign.) The other is a thrust from Ohio to retake the Maumee and Forts Bathurst and Defiance and then proceed to take Detroit back. This would be ruinously expensive, perhaps, but it would at least have the benefit of recovering lost American territory.​

Because such a land-supplied route would be so very costly, they wait until full extent of the disaster at York becomes apparent in early June before starting to make serious plans. (If even a sizeable fraction of the fleet had survived they might have tried Niagara, anyway.) And even then, they really pin their hopes on General Hampton and the Champlain corridor.​

It isn't until Hampton's defeat and the news of Vermont's essential withdrawal from the war that they finally give the go-ahead to do a land expedition against Forts Bathurst and Defiance. In hindsight, one can see that they should have started an invasion in June, once they saw that they had lost control of Lake Erie, but their rationale seemed reasonable to them at the time.​

Their next problem is leadership. The US is running out of Generals, especially senior generals, between the Brits' current fine collection, and the ones that have been fired or killed.​

The officers who had been raised to Major General rank were Pinckney (in the Carolinas and Georgia; doing great in his job and not a fighting officer anyway), Dearborn (captured by the Brits at York), William H. Harrison (cashiered for supposed mismanagement), Wade Hampton (just captured at Vermont), James Wilkinson, and Morgan Lewis. This really leaves only Wilkinson and Lewis. ITTL, when Harrison was fired, Lewis took command of the 8th Military District (Ohio and the northwest). However, Wilkinson had been meant to have command of the offensive (admittedly expected to be to the East in New York). So, when the offensive moves to Ohio, he is given overall command of the invasion, with Lewis as his second in command. Meanwhile, someone needs to command the 9th District, so John Chandler is promoted Major General[1] (to replace Harrison) and given that district. Also, Alexander Smyth is brevetted Major General and John Boyd is given specific charge over the Niagara Frontier.​

Meanwhile, Lewis sent a small expedition with a wagon along Hull's Trace in June to test the conditions. That group states that the road is 'just fine', and Lewis reports that Harrison must have greatly exaggerated the difficulties of supply along these roads, even insinuating that Harrison had (unnamed) ulterior motives for the claim. He does allow, however, that road that (militia) General Perkins had built was helpful. Since Harrison is currently under charges, including that he profited from the very expensive logistics trail he insisted on, those 'unnamed' motives were easily inferred.​

Lewis has just painted himself into a corner. Having now publicly implied that the Harrison's motivation was suspect in buying so many rations so early and forward placing them, he doesn't dare do so himself. And he has publicly stated (not just implied) that HE can do better with supplying his men. Since Lewis is being kept as second in command, Wilkinson can't really disagree too loudly without casting Lewis's competence in doubt. What Lewis doesn't know, and Wilkinson can't admit, is that 1) 1813 was a dry year, so the roads were firmer, 2) his expedition went in June, which is apparently a drier month than the fall, and 3) there is a huge difference between a small group of men with one or two wagons, and an entire army with supply trains, artillery, etc.​

The fact that Duncan MacArthur (who had led men in the area under Hull and Harrison, and was promoted to Brigadier despite the fiascos), disagreed vehemently and loudly was embarrassing to Lewis and Wilkinson, and Lewis tried to raise charges of insubordination over it. However, the matter was papered over, and MacArthur was moved to New York, swapped for Smyth Boyd. Note that, in Lewis's defence, he knew MacArthur would be a partisan of Harrison, and would back his case fully. That being the case, he wanted his own, 'impartial', witness of the state of affairs. He was very surprised at how vehement MacArthur was, but by then he had published his report, and didn't dare back down.​

Ohio raises 10k militia for the expedition, with a couple of thousand expected to come from Kentucky and Pennsylvania. Although it's coming up harvest season, and that means there aren't as many militiamen available, this is their chance to strike back and recover lost Ohio land. They are also feeling that they need to prove something, as Harrison slighted them and refused their service, whereas Wilkinson and Lewis WANT them. Still, raising this number strains the available militia to the creaking point.​

The Ohio militia are formed into two columns in the first week of September, the left coming up from their mustering point in western Ohio, come up the road cut north along the Auglaize towards Fort Defiance (march almost straight north just inside the border of Ohio); the other column marches along Hull's trace from central Ohio toward the rapids of the Maumee (Fort Bathurst, Fort Meigs as was, near modern OTL Toledo). The men are all given 7 days rations and start along their route, with the supply wagons following more slowly behind. Unfortunately, it is now fall, and the rains start. The men march in the mud and sleep in the mud, but soon enough reach their destinations and set up camp outside the respective British forts.​

Procter's men in the forts are outnumbered, but while it is harvest time, so there are many fewer militia available than there would be before or after, the prolonged American preparation allows him to get reserves and garrisons from York, and even some from Niagara, while Brock arranges for those to be replaced by some of the men no longer needed on Lake Champlain or to guard Montreal. They also have time to round up over a month's supplies. Thus, the British start the fight with some 2500 men in each fort, facing some 4500 men besieging them. However, the British are behind fortifications, they are better armed, fed, supplied and housed. The American troops are camped in the mud, with no tents yet (the supply wagons haven't arrived), with little food (ditto), little ammunition for their weapons (ditto) and only exceedingly light cannon, as the artillery is behind, too.​

500 men from each column were held back with the wagons and artillery (to defend them), and are quickly put to helping to pull wagons out of the omnipresent mud. This means that they are even colder, wetter, muddier and more tired, and not really good sentries, even the few of them that are given that job. This matters, because Tecumseh's men are out in full force. Black Hawk and the western Indians may have returned home, but Tecumseh has been recruiting throughout Indiana and Michigan, and the first waves of northern fur trade Indians (from northern Michigan, northern Ontario (Lake Huron area and east) and even a few from Quebec) have arrived. While almost useless in general INSIDE a fort (mind you Tecumseh has a few people stationed there to learn the art for the future), they are incredibly effective outside. The Indians cannot attack the Americans head on, but they can take out sentries (it turns out bow and arrow are not rendered obsolete in stealth encounters like these), and they can ambush small parties. For the American forces encamped around the fort, this means doubled up sentries, especially at night, and that wooding parties have to have more men with guns than with axes. For the men with the supply wagons on the trail, it's a total nightmare. The wagons are strung out over miles of road, and the men are exhausted and miserable. If all the wagons were together, with 500 alert men defending them, a raid of even a couple hundred Indians would merely result in dead Indians. An isolated group of two or three wagons with a few dozen exhausted men 'guarding' them is easy prey for even the same number of Indians. Once the Indians attack, they kill or disable the soldiers, take what supplies are useful, and try to deny the rest to the Americans. If the group is far enough from any other US force, they gather wood and burn the wagons and all their remaining contents. Otherwise, they try to trample the supplies in the mud or otherwise spoil them, and break the wagon wheels. Obviously, they take what food and ammunition they can carry for their own use, and even make caches for use on future raids. When the wagons get close enough to the British positions, some of the supplies are carried, in round about ways, to the British.​

The Americans do react: they keep their wagons closer, less spread out, they pull some men back from the forts to increase the number of defenders, and do a better job at sparing the sentries from exhausting wagon pulling. This decreases the number of losses, but doesn't eliminate them. It does slow the wagons (and hence resupply process).​

The right wing coming through the swamp face a road in very bad condition, although it's harder for the Indians, too, to move through the swamp. The navy does ferry bands of Indians in at points along the road, but the raids there just aren't as effective. Some 75% percent of the supplies eventually reach the besiegers at Fort Bathurst, but VERY late. The left wing has better roads, but more Indian attacks. They lose almost half their supplies – but get to Fort Defiance faster. All but one piece of artillery finally makes it (the fire used to burn the carriage and other supplies warped the barrel and it was abandoned) The Indian raids can kill the artillerymen, burn or destroy their carriages, and dispose of the ammunition, but it's tough to kill a cannon with hand-tools. And the Americans manage to improvise makeshift carriages for moving cannon.​

Meanwhile, the infantry are at the forts, and have no supplies. Shortly after arriving, the officers put the men on half rations, which only increases the misery. Once the food supply wagons start arriving, things are a LITTLE better, but not all the supplies arrive and they are arriving far more slowly than they are supposed to. Again, many tents arrive (late) but not all, and more have to be ordered (as the entire available supply was sent).​

Horses, while faster on good roads, break down under the load, and require feed be provided for them, which adds to the supply load. Oxen, while they can graze on local vegetation, are slow. They are also hard to find, and they and their drivers are expensive to hire. Moreover, civilian wagoners have no interest in running the supply lines, in the conditions prevailing. So the army has to buy wagons, and use some of their men as drivers. Since they aren't as experienced, they have even more problems with the bad roads.​

In addition to the transportation problems, some of the civilian contractors of rations try demanding exorbitant rates and providing substandard food. When Harrison led his expedition, he pre-bought the food to pre-position it. Thus, when he had problems with the contractors, he could put pressure on them to deliver what was promised. He even fired one major supplier completely. Lewis and Wilkinson don't have that luxury – they have to take what they can get, and pay what's demanded.​

Morale is low and sinking. When Harrison sent his men in these conditions, he slept in the same conditions, ate the same food, walked back and forth through his men and roused them and encouraged them. Lewis travels with 2 wagons dedicated to himself, with furniture a fancy tent and his own food, and still falls sick and abandons his men for the comfort of a town in the rear. Smyth is a bombastic windbag - “His soldiers detested him and tried to set fire to his tent or otherwise injure him and he was forced to sleep under heavy guard and frequently change his residence.” (This is a quote from OTL, when he and his men were in a stationary camp. How much more here!) Boyd is a martinet of a disciplinarian. On the previous expedition under Harrison, Harrison had had to relieve him of all disciplinarian functions.

As some mounted Kentucky militiamen arrive (500), they are used to patrol the lines of the left column, which lessens losses to Indian raiders. But not many arrive. Harrison had a great relationship with the Kentucky Governor Shelby, and a great reputation with the Kentucky militia. When he called for their assistance, they came running. Not so much here. Small forts (blockhouses) are built (or refurbished – again, Harrison had had several built, especially on the north-south road to Fort Defiance).​

More men, raised with great difficulty, are needed to replace bodies used to man the blockhouses, provide armed escorts for the supply convoys, haul wagons out of mud, and patrol the lines of supply. Fortunately, some of those Pennsylvania militia have finally turned up (about 1000) and are fed into the grinder of the supply trains. But more Ohio militia are needed and they are now much harder to raise – the call of 'march off to glorious battle' is a lot easier to sell than 'slog through mud pulling wagons and dieing of camp fever and Indian raids'.​

Every round trip means more wagons and draft animals lost, more men lost, and fewer men applying to replace them. Supply convoys are finding, especially when the empty wagons return home, that many of the men just run away and disappear. In fact, there are even a few suspicious 'Indian' raids that happen near 'home' where most of the identifiable dead are officers... So fewer wagons are able to make the next trip, and fewer supplies reach the front.​

Rations arrive but slowly at the camps in front of the forts. They have cannon – but little in the way of shot or gunpowder, because the priority in the supply wagons has to be food or the men will starve. They are often reduced to finding the cannonballs fired AT them, and firing them back. The Ohio militia has never been on a major campaign like this before, and even veteran militia had trouble enforcing sanitation discipline. Dysentery and other diseases rage through the camps like wildfire, the more so because the men's resistance is so low from hunger and exposure.​

Conditions inside the forts are much better, as they had stockpiled food and supplies before the siege started, and because the British army is rigorous about sanitation (having learned that lesson in Spain). [See also the next post.] Still, supplies are starting to run low, and the commanders are wondering when, or if, they should attack the fast weakening Americans.​

Then, early in October, Procter relieves the siege with a landing of 2000 militia (available now that harvest is over), landing behind the US lines at the mouth of the Portage River on Lake Erie, and cutting off their supply lines. [Note, the supply lines along Hull's Trace supplying the men in front of Fort Bathurst]. With 2000 fresh troops behind them and 2000 troops marching out of the fort in front of them, the US troops are lost. They are down to less than 3000 troops (1000 lost to disease, 200 dead of injuries, 500 pulled out for other use), of which only 2000 can actually stand in line and fight. They form line and fire a few volleys, but fairly quickly realize the hopelessness of the situation, and surrender.​

1000 British then march up the river to the relief of Fort Defiance, but word spreads faster than the relief force, and the US forces in front of Defiance scatter when the Fort garrison sorties in good order. Most of the men flee as well as they c[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]an, with what they can carry, leaving only the sick, wounded, dead, and a few guards/care givers for them. Note that those who scattered are fair game for the roving Indian scouts/raiders, and very many never make it home. Those that retreated in good order (perhaps 1000, after the 'scatterers' left) do suffer some casualties, but the Indians mostly go after the easier targets, and so these larger groups are mostly able to make it to safety.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]This has been an absolute, total fiasco for the United States. A huge amount of money was spent and the only immediately visible result was the destruction of the Ohio militia as an effective force. The thousand men retreating south along the Ohio border are the only ones with any cohesion or self-esteem (let alone life and health). While they are usable, they are needed to man (and expand) the blockhouses on the western frontier, and fall back into an essentially defensive posture.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]As for the militia in front of Fort Bathurst, they are demoralized even more than surrendered troops usually are. The British decide there is no point in even trying to take them prisoner, and escort them back along Hull's Trace, stopping to take possession of each of the little blockhouses along the way. Thus the north shore of Lake Erie as far as the Sandusky river is now British controlled.[/FONT]​

Smyth Boyd is dead (from an Indian arrow – but since it happened while he was in his own tent, one can doubt that British forces were responsible <grin>. Lewis had bad health to start with, and the illness he picked up on the road made an excellent excuse to retire him 'for health reasons' (as he was a good friend of the Secretary of War Armstrong, he was allowed something more palatable than a dishonourable discharge.) Wilkinson's reputation is toast, and while he isn't fired, he is shuffled off to command Military District 3 (eastern NY, NJ) largely out of harms way.​

The Ohio militia absolutely, flat out refuse to serve under anyone they don't trust, so Armstrong and Monroe have to bring back Duncan MacArthur from the Niagara theatre to be in command in Ohio. (No doubt they should have quickly convened a court-martial for Harrison, cleared him and re-instated him, but that's not politically possible at the moment. [Note that Harrison's court-martial was delayed for something like a year iOTL, probably because they suspected they wouldn't get convictions on many charges.]) Since prospects for offensives out of Ohio are totally bleak for the moment, it is decided to hand control of Military District 8 over to Ben Howard (governor of the territory of Mississippi). [This happened much later iOTL.] Of course, putting Howard in charge puts Ninian Edwards' nose out of joint (he was governor of Illinois, and wasn't bad at handling military matters.) Edwards goes 'on vacation to visit family in Kentucky' for the winter. [This actually happened iOTL when Howard was put in charge!]​

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1 (Recent brigadiers – prewar: Peter Gansevoort (dead), Wade Hampton (MG) and James Wilkinson (MG); January 1812: John Armstrong (SecWar), Joseph Bloomfield (4th Military District), Thomas Flournoy (7th Military District), William Hull (disgraced) and James Winchester (captured); Thomas Cushing ( adjutant General, then 1st Military District) and Alexander Smyth (originally Inspector General, didn't get a brigade until August 1812); 28 March 1812: Morgan Lewis (MG); 6 July 1812: John Chandler and William Henry Harrison (disgraced). So Chandler is the BG in active service with the most seniority in brigade command who isn't in charge of a Military District.) Note that OTL there were NO MG appointments from the March 1813 to the end of the year.​
 
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Dathi

Well at some point the Americans are going to have to start cutting their losses. Especially if the Battle of Nations occurs on scedual which means that the British then when the news reaches them the US know that Napoleon is going down. That will mean they will soon have pretty much the undivided attention of the world's remaining super-power.

Coupled with the continued losses, of me, territory and prestige, there must be growing war weariness in much of the US. Some of the NW states might still want to fight on to try and regain lost territory. However faced with a much tighter blockade in prospect along with British coastal raids the coastal and southern states must be growing unhappy about continuing to pay taxes and commit men to a ruinous war as well as the threat of coming under attack themselves. Especially since with the British controlling the Lakes they have the upper hand on the logistics front and there's no real way the Americans can change that. The technology of the time simply makes it too difficult to get overwhelming forces against a competent and supplied defender, as the last chapter shows.

As such, even if some people want to continue the war, especially in the government, there is going to be growing discontent in many areas over the war.

Steve
 
Dathi

Well at some point the Americans are going to have to start cutting their losses. Especially if the Battle of Nations occurs on scedual which means that the British then when the news reaches them the US know that Napoleon is going down. That will mean they will soon have pretty much the undivided attention of the world's remaining super-power.

Coupled with the continued losses, of me, territory and prestige, there must be growing war weariness in much of the US. Some of the NW states might still want to fight on to try and regain lost territory. However faced with a much tighter blockade in prospect along with British coastal raids the coastal and southern states must be growing unhappy about continuing to pay taxes and commit men to a ruinous war as well as the threat of coming under attack themselves. Especially since with the British controlling the Lakes they have the upper hand on the logistics front and there's no real way the Americans can change that. The technology of the time simply makes it too difficult to get overwhelming forces against a competent and supplied defender, as the last chapter shows.

As such, even if some people want to continue the war, especially in the government, there is going to be growing discontent in many areas over the war.

Steve

I suspect you're right. I had not planned the Ohio fiasco to be as thorough as it was - it kind of turned out that way as the words flowed onto the page, and as the logic of the logistics and available leadership played out. I'm going to have to figure how to make things last a bit. I'm probably going to have to do a bit on the initial peace talks, and why they don't go anywhere, eh?

Heh, I may have to let Andrew Jackson live, just to balance things:)
 
Interlude, health care

Let's see: bad pun, digression from story line, innate superiority of the Canadian Healthcare system.... OK, so this post is for me for than for you guys:)

Interlude, health care


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]One of the people Tecumseh has at Fort Defiance observing the process of siege warfare is a Miami chief who has an ulcer on his leg and can't be out fighting. His daughter along, whose name translates as '(she) sings sweetly' came along to help care for his leg. Once they're at the fort, and soldiers are getting sick and wounded, she begins nursing the soldiers as well. The French troops name her 'La Rossignole' (the nightingale). As she is caring for the soldiers, she starts thinking. 'If keeping major filth away from water and people is so important, would keeping minor filth away from patients help?' She bothers the surgeon and other nurses until they wash their hands more often, and she arranges for bedding and other laundry to be done more often. With the increased cleanliness, patients recover better and faster. The surgeon compares notes with his colleague at Fort Bathurst, and realize that La Rossignole is onto something. With some encouragement, she does more experimentation. Knowing that steam lodges are used in purification rituals, she tries steaming medical instruments and soiled laundry. That works. So she tries smoking them (as with sweetgrass ceremonies) and that does not work. Listening to native elders and healers, and to the European doctors and surgeons, she tries different practices to see what works. Gradually, the group of nurses that follow her techniques and teachings grow and improve the health of the local garrison, and the peoples they work with, both white and native.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Meanwhile, at Niagara, another nurse is approaching matters in a different way. A nun named Sister Florence runs the infirmary at Fort George, and keeps meticulous records, not experimenting, but paying close attention to who is treated how, and what the results are. She hears of La Rossignole and goes to the Maumee to see what's happening there. She is very impressed with La Rossignole's work, but is horrified at how informal her work is. Everything is stored in her head, which means that it is very difficult to properly teach new nurses, and also difficult to convince authorities when there is a difference of opinion with an older, white, English, male physician. The two women come to an agreement, and merge styles. The style of nursing that results is highly effective, and will end up significantly reducing death-rates in the Canadas in the decades to come, and gradually throughout the Empire and then the world. The school of practice is named after the two founders, as is only appropriate, although La Rossignole's name gets translated into English in the process. The Florence-Nightingale system and then Society becomes widely respected, and, in many places, is better trusted than physicians. (For good reason, I'm afraid, cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis)[/FONT]​
 
Peace talks, Mark 1. FAIL!

Peace talks, Mark 1. FAIL!


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Up until the disaster in Ohio in the fall of 1813, the US had been holding off on asking for formal peace talks, because it believed that each attempted offensive would be the one that would improve their bargaining position. They had had some tentative feelers out, but the informal responses to their unofficial proposals weren't encouraging. Once they realized that there was no immediate likelihood of a major American victory, they started thinking about starting negotiations, finding out what terms might be possible, and hoping that either they could get decent terms or that some internal reforms could let them win some victories in the coming months that would improve their bargaining position. [/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The first question is where, and how to start the talks. The Tsar of Russia had offered his services in whatever manner might be useful, but he was well known to be pro-American, so the British vetoed that(1). The Brits offered Dublin (as less obnoxiously English than, say, London), but the Americans vetoed that. The Americans proposed Gothenburg, Sweden. But as Sweden just picked Bernadotte, one of Napoleon's marshals as their crown prince and future king, that wouldn't fly. Most of mainland Europe was still unsettled by the fighting, and hardly suitable. Britain suggested Lisbon. The Americans vetoed the idea (Portugal being a long and close British ally) – but realized that there just WEREN'T many places that were convenient and entirely neutral. Obviously the British were prepared to veto any place that had perceptible anti-British (or pro-US) bias, and they needed to meet SOMEWHERE. The Americans decide Spain may be the best of a bad set of choices, because, while Spain is an ally of Britain's, she's a very prickly one. They do insist on a place without a major British military presence (so not Cadiz, for instance), and it is mutually agreed to meet at Santa Cruz de Tenerife in the Canary Islands. By now, it is spring of 1814, as several of the proposals and counter-proposals had to cross the Atlantic, which took time. The negotiations open on 1 March 1814, and the two sides present their first proposals. The US wants stopping impressment, freedom of navigation for her commerce, and a territorial return to status quo ante bellum. The British propose basically, uti possidetis (basically, we keep what we've got). More specifically: 1) no change in behaviour on the high seas, 2) giving most of Indiana and Illinois territories to an Indian protectorate under Tecumseh's leadership and British protection, and that the rest of the land north of the Ohio and east of the Mississippi go to Britain 3) Britain gets all of New York north of 44° (which lets the US keep Sackett's Harbor, but that would be about their northern border, 4) no US military on the Great Lakes, 5) naval status and fortifications on Lake Champlain to be negotiated, 6) the Ohio (from Cincinnati west) and Mississippi rivers be considered international waters, including complete right of transit up and down the Mississippi, 7) that the Louisiana purchase is invalid and the land must be returned to Spain, 8) that the US must cease her illegal occupation of Spanish West Florida 9) and an indemnity, to be determined later, be paid to Britain.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Not a whole lot of room for compromise here. Neither side's negotiators have the authority to agree to ANYTHING like the opposition's terms, and the talks adjourn sine die. The Americans weren't ENTIRELY surprised at most of the British demands individually, although the sheer extent of them was breathtaking. What did surprise them completely was item 7. They had thought that a Spanish location might be acceptable, but if Spain is negotiating against them, well... No WONDER the British were so happy that the US agreed to a site somewhere in Spain! So, not only are the negotiations off for the moment, the whole subject has dropped back to WHERE do they talk. [/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]There's actually a couple of interesting notes here. First, if, in the spring of 1813, the US had offered the Brits Michigan and a re-adjusted border further west, they would have leapt at it. They would have fobbed Tecumseh off with a mini-protectorate inside Michigan, and signed a deal so fast your head would spin. Unfortunately for the US, they saw no need for such a concession then. They KNEW they have a far larger population than Canada does, and if they can just get their act together, they could march into Canada and take whatever they want. What they didn't realize then, and are just now taking into account, are the political, economic, logistic and organizational prerequisites (infrastructure in many senses) needed to do it. [/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The other note is that there was a missed opportunity for peace. IF the peace talks had started in, say December (if there had been a good available site), and IF the two sides had been prepared to work past their initial opening offers, they MIGHT have been able to reach a deal. Britain is aware that Canada is pretty overstretched, and knows that better generals and a competent supply system would have let the US win the Battle of the Maumee, and that forces from Europe are not YET ready. The US knows that they lost the Battle of the Maumee badly, and they likely aren't going to get all of Indiana and Illinois back. A compromise MIGHT have been reachable in the winter months of 1813/1814 that might have looked like 'portions of Indiana/Illinois go to either side, Britain gets Michigan, the Louisiana purchase goes back to Spain – and is immediately bought by the US on favourable terms'. It would have been tough to sell on both sides, and might not have been ratified, but it would have been at least possible. However, the wrangling over the location of the talks delayed them enough that Britain can see the war in Europe is finishing up rapidly, and is prepared to wait until she can move troops. While the US has started to put into place some reforms (to be described soon), and knows she will be in a better position soon, too.
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1) OTL:
[/FONT]In March of 1813, the Russian ambassador to the US, Andrei Dashkov suggested the US enter peace negotiations under the auspices of his government. So Gallatin and Bayard go to St. Petersburg, and there join John Quincy Adams (US ambassador to Russia). The British, however, refused those negotiations, as they didn't want the US "to mix directly or indirectly her maritime interests with those of another state" - quotation is Castlereagh's words. In particular, Britain was apparently worried that the Russians' views on 'neutral shipping' would be too close to the US's and too far from Britain's.

From: The War of 1812, a short history by Donald R Hickey, pp. 94-5 (aside from the quote, I'm paraphrasing and shortening Hickey's statement.​
 
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Dathi

I was a bit surprised that the British terms were quite so steep but then by the time the talks start not only has their position improved considerably but earlier American intrangiance would probably have left some feeling time for payback. Would they have insisted on maintaining the impressment facility as Britain had made substantial concessions on that OTL, just too late including travel time, to avoid the conflict? Also would still think Britain wants to end it fairly quickly. The European conflict is coming to its end but Britain will want peace after 20+ years of nearly continual warfare.

The US slipped up as you say suggesting a Spanish location. Given that Britain had for quite a while questioned the legality of the Louisiana purchase they should really have seen that coming. Also while Britain and Spain are somewhat prickly allies and the French are now largely out of Spain a lot of good contacts and mutual interests will have developed over the peninsula war.

Another factor might be that neither side realises how much the other was willing to bargain and took the initial positions of their opponents as their actual aim.

As you say I think you will have to see some US successes to prolong the war much more. Difficult to see how with a rapidly increasing naval superiority and the huge logistical problems the US faces in the north. Possibly something like New Orleans going pear shaped to give the US a moral boost or one of the Canadian commanders gets over-confident and pushes too far south, facing logistical problems themselves and playing right into US hands. Or if you want it turning nasty have British forces operating in the south start accepting slave recruits, as they did historically and some bloody massacres resulting on both sides.

Steve
 
Dathi

I was a bit surprised that the British terms were quite so steep but then by the time the talks start not only has their position improved considerably but earlier American intrangiance would probably have left some feeling time for payback. Would they have insisted on maintaining the impressment facility as Britain had made substantial concessions on that OTL, just too late including travel time, to avoid the conflict? Also would still think Britain wants to end it fairly quickly. The European conflict is coming to its end but Britain will want peace after 20+ years of nearly continual warfare.
Each of the times the talks started OTL, impressment and the Orders in Council were issues that neither side initially gave on. I don't know why, as especially impressment was essentially stopped already. That's definitely one of the things the Brits will give on - if only because the need will be gone any time now.

As for the toughness of the British demands, they really boil down to: we want to hold what we've got, keep Canada safe, provide for the Indian allies, and make the US negotiate with Spain for the Louisiana purchase. It's couched in slightly extreme terms, 'cause they want to give some and still end up with that result, really.


The US slipped up as you say suggesting a Spanish location. Given that Britain had for quite a while questioned the legality of the Louisiana purchase they should really have seen that coming. Also while Britain and Spain are somewhat prickly allies and the French are now largely out of Spain a lot of good contacts and mutual interests will have developed over the peninsula war.
OK, but where would you put the negotiations? Scandinavia is all anti-British, Russia is pro-US (and too far away, really), most of continental Europe has had armies marching over it recently.... I suppose they could have tried to hold out for Istanbul or something, but that would have been WAY the heck out of the way.

Seriously, if you can think of a better place, I am willing to retcon that post.

I am planning for the next batch of negotiation to happen in Ghent, since that's 1) the OTL site, and 2) presumably things will have calmed down by then.

Another factor might be that neither side realises how much the other was willing to bargain and took the initial positions of their opponents as their actual aim.

As you say I think you will have to see some US successes to prolong the war much more. Difficult to see how with a rapidly increasing naval superiority and the huge logistical problems the US faces in the north. Possibly something like New Orleans going pear shaped to give the US a moral boost or one of the Canadian commanders gets over-confident and pushes too far south, facing logistical problems themselves and playing right into US hands. Or if you want it turning nasty have British forces operating in the south start accepting slave recruits, as they did historically and some bloody massacres resulting on both sides.

Steve
Ya, I do have to do something like that, don't I?

Actually, right now James Monroe is being a busy beaver, running around and getting ready for a possible future rematch - I just have to figure out what he's doing!
 
OK, but where would you put the negotiations? Scandinavia is all anti-British, Russia is pro-US (and too far away, really), most of continental Europe has had armies marching over it recently.... I suppose they could have tried to hold out for Istanbul or something, but that would have been WAY the heck out of the way.

Seriously, if you can think of a better place, I am willing to retcon that post.

Dathi

I wasn't contesting the choice. Just saying that the US made a bad choice in agreeing/suggesting Spain. Its probably better than most other options available. Suppose they could have had somewhere like Bermuda, under British control but close to the US so easier for them to communicate with their government. Not politically neutral but you can be certain there won't be hostile armies marching through it. The Americans could even have been bush-wacked to a degree, with some Spanish sounds about hostility to Britain then once its selected as a venue the question of Louisiana suddenly emerges.;)

Also was Russia that hostile to Britain? They were allies against Napoleon although later there were disputes over the border in eastern Europe.

Stevep
 
Also was Russia that hostile to Britain? They were allies against Napoleon although later there were disputes over the border in eastern Europe.

Stevep
No, I don't believe that they were anti-British, per se. I do believe, however, that the Tsar was particularly pro-US at that point. I'm not sure where I read that now.... Got it:

In March of 1813, the Russian ambassador to the US, Andrei Dashkov suggested the US enter peace negotiations under the auspices of his government. So Gallatin and Bayard go to St. Petersburg, and there join John Quincy Adams (US ambassador to Russia). The British, however, refused those negotiations, as they didn't want the US "to mix directly or indirectly her maritime interests with those of another state" - quotation is Castlereagh's words. In particular, Britain was apparently worried that the Russians' views on 'neutral shipping' would be too close to the US's and too far from Britain's.

From: The War of 1812, a short history by Donald R Hickey, pp. 94-5 (aside from the quote, I'm paraphrasing and shortening Hickey's statement.
 
Provisioning patrols summer/fall 1813

Provisioning patrols

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The British conduct a series of raids/patrols on Lake Erie, Lake Ontario, and the New York side of Lake Champlain over the summer and into the fall. They land a party of men on the shore (usually a mix of militia to talk and Indians to scout), who then make a circuit. When they run across a farm, they signal the farmhouse. If farmer agrees to talk then the Brits offer to buy any and all animals and grain they have for sale. If they agree to sell, the British party pays them an entirely fair rate, loads up and heads back to the shore. If they DON'T agree to talk (say they fire from inside the house) or if they don't agree to sell, then the party takes ALL the grain and animals. What happens to the farmhouse and occupants varies.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The purpose of this is several fold. 1) it feeds the British forces, which go through a LOT of food, 2) it denies that food to any US forces that may try to go through the area afterwards, 3) it is intended to make the US despair at their plight, without giving the PR problems that unrestricted burning and looting would 4) it eliminates the surplus food that any near by towns (which could become defensive strongpoints) would want to buy.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The farmers who agree to sell are paid decently. For instance, on Lake Ontario, they are paid almost as much as what they'd get for the goods delivered to market at Kingston or York. This is quite a bit more than what they'd get if they sold at a local market (if there were any).[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]If the patrols find a settlement bigger than, say, a tavern and a blacksmith, they 'discourage' such settlement by ordering people to leave and burning the town.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]This is a militarily effective tactic as there are almost no defensible settlements along the shores of Lakes Erie and Ontario, at least. Oswego (on Lake Ontario) and Buffalo (on Lake Erie) are strong enough that the raiders avoid them, but almost anywhere else, they can roam at leisure. Cleveland Ohio, for instance, only had 57 men in 1810, and while it's a bit bigger now, a large scale raid can, and does, take it out. [/FONT]​

The raiders are given strict orders to avoid atrocities, but most raids are small and informal enough that strict military discipline is hard to maintain. Especially if the farmer shoots at the initial messenger, or worse, kills him. In the latter case, killing the shooter and burning the farm is deemed appropriate, but sometimes worse happens. A few times, during this process young women are carried north. Sometimes this is as outright booty (from hostile farms), more often it's 'You do realize, miss, that if you stay here, we can't protect you from any roving bands of Indians once we're gone.' or 'Sorry about your husband, ma'am, but he did shoot first. What are you and the wee'uns going to do.' While the RN is ordered to only carry willing civilians, the definition of 'willing' does get stretched – given that the option for some of the women is death or be a camp follower, some reluctantly agree to the latter choice. More often, the choice is between being abandoned alone on a lake shore miles from anywhere, or return to civilization (even if it's the wrong one). Small children are taken, too – by the Indians to adopt into their tribes, and by the militia if their parents are dead (in the fighting, say).


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]As news of the abductions spreads, it becomes another atrocity to sell newspapers. The total numbers of abductions weren't actually that high, but, as the newspapers would say, 'One is too many'. [/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The (remaining) farmers are somewhat conflicted – they're supporting they enemy – but making good money. On the other hand, while they don't appreciate the force majeur aspect of being forced to sell, nor do they appreciate their neighbours being harmed, they do understand why the Brits are doing it and are at least glad that they're being paid. Many of the (remaining) frontiersmen even come to think their neighbours who fought were just 'dern fools'. This isn't to say that they aren't screaming for military bases to stop the British incursions, but given the lack of defence, it's sort of like a storm or plague of locusts; they're almost more mad at the American governments for lack of protection than at the British. Wild outrage actually happens more in the cities, away from the frontier, where a very one-sided story is presented by the newspapers.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]By late in the fall, the patrols are stopped. Partly because they're being expensive in propaganda terms, even if they are pretty cheap in military terms. But more because what supplies could be bought/*collected already have been.[/FONT]​

 
Gahh!!! Got my generals mixed up. Retcon is in place for the Ohio campaign. Smyth was out of the army, so he's replaced by Boyd, who's a disaster for a different reason! (he was next most senior, so this isn't just swapping one horrible guy for another, really)

As usual for me, red is old text to be considered deleted, green is the new.
 
Creek War 1813, early 1814

Creek War

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Note that what is called the Creek war actually started as a Creek civil war, between the anti-US (Red Stick faction) and the pro-US faction (which many of the elders and chiefs actually supported). Unfortunately for all Creeks, once the US got involved, many US militia groups found it hard to, or didn't care to, distinguish between pro- and anti- US groups. The Georgia militia even refused offers of aid from the Cherokee, apparently not trusting any 'Injuns'. [/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]As background to the situation. Most of what is now (OTL) Alabama and Mississippi was still land controlled by the Five Civilized Tribes (Cherokee, Creek, Chickasaw, Choctaw and Seminole), with little white settlement. The strip of land in the south running all the way across to the Mississippi river was 'West Florida' (East Florida being the modern OTL state, minus part of the panhandle). However, the US claimed that much of 'West Florida' was included in the Louisiana Purchase. Spain, who knew what they'd transferred to France, disagreed. Spain's definition of 'West Florida' ran all the way to the Mississippi and included, e.g. Baton Rouge, let alone Mobile. The US had already conquered Baton Rouge before these wars started, and they laid claim to Mobile. In April 1813, the US enforced that claim by seizing Mobile from the Spanish. [as OTL] [/FONT]​


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]As already mentioned in a previous post, the Red Stick Creeks (the anti-American faction) had already received some arms from the Spanish at Pensacola (who weren't feeling very friendly to the US), and been attacked near Burnt Corn Creek by American forces out of Fort Mims. The (Red Stick) Creeks felt that was a declaration of war, and attacked Fort Mims on 30 August 1813 and massacred the inhabitants, both white and pro-American Creeks. Despite having recently attacked a Creek party, Fort Mims was woefully unprepared for a retaliation. General Ferdinand Claiborne (not his brother Louisiana governor William Claiborne) had inspected 7 August, and asked for more buildings, but major in charge was very slow with fortifications. In fact, on the day of the attack, not only was the gate open but it was blocked open with sand! Near panic ensued among whites of the area. Then there were further Creek attacks on the Kimball-James families, and then on Fort Sinquefield on the following days. [as OTL] [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]As a result of these massacres, American opinion was outraged, most especially in Tennessee. [/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Now, the centre of Creek power was the 'Holy Ground' at the meeting of the Coosa and Tallapoosa rivers. There were three routes there from US controlled territory: 1) the best: from GA, some 150 mi, of which 80 mi is on already built decent road. 2) second best: up from Mobile along the Alabama River, also ~150 mi, but with no pre-built roads. 3) the worst: south from TN through mountains and trackless wilderness. [/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Because of the particular outrage in Tennesse, most of the attacks on the Creeks came from that state, despite it being the worst of the three attack routes.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]TN raised 3.5k volunteers to go with 1.5k already in Federal service half each for east and west Tennessee. Andrew Jackson was very ill at this point (as a result of his brawl with the Bentons on September 4), and Governor Blount wanted to replace him. OTL, he refused and rose from his bed to lead forces, iTTL, he is sicker and soon dies, so Brigadier General Thomas Johnson takes command of the 2500 militia in west Tennessee, assembling at Fayetteville. From that number, Colonel John Coffee took 1300 mounted men to Huntsville arriving 4 October. Militia Major General John Cocke commanded the east Tennessee militia, and assembled his troops at Knoxville. [/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]John Coffee secured the first American victory in the Creek war on November 3, when his cavalry routed Creeks at the town of Tullusahatchee, killing 180-200 Red Stick warriors as well as a number of women and children. His own casualties only amounted to 10 dead and 81 wounded. (Largely as OTL, US casualties doubled because of increased arms to the Red Sticks.)[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]A few days later, a large Red Stick force laid siege to the (pro-American) Creek town of Talladega. Had Jackson been in charge he would have sent a force to rescue them (as he did iOTL), but Johnson doesn't go to their aid.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Meanwhile, town(s?) of Hillabee tried to send word that they did not intend to support the Red Stick faction. But General Cocke sent a contingent of his army to attack the town, killing roughly 70 warriors and capturing nearly 300. Those who escaped joined the Red Sticks. [actually as OTL][/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]IOTL, Jackson helping defend Talladega showed the pro-US faction that there was at least some point in trying to be pro-American. ITTL, it seems like being pro-American means you get attacked by both the Red Sticks and the Americans. So, why not join the Red Sticks, and reduce your attackers by one? So, more Creeks are pushed into the Red Stick faction, and, as mentioned earlier, they are better armed. Having more need for arms, and having more encouragement at Pensacola, bands make multiple trips to buy/get British arms supplied to the Spanish for that purpose.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Several thrusts against Red Sticks and allies were conducted from eastern and western Tennessee, Mississippi territory and Georgia, but they were all uncoordinated with each other. These attacks killed some 1000 warriors, quite possibly 1/6 of the total. However, there is no decisive battle like OTL's Horseshoe Bend. Andrew Jackson, iOTL, was prepared to drive his troops beyond their patience, endurance, or supply lines – he even lined up his regulars ready to fire on militia that wanted to give up, and then used the militia to keep the regulars from doing it. And his men loved him anyway. Without him, the Red Sticks are worn down, but not defeated.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]They also, being more numerous and better armed, are able to win more battles. For instance, at OTL's Battle of Emuckfau Creek, Andrew Jackson was alert enough to pull his men into a square before the Indians attacked. He had to retreat, but did retreat in good order. TTL's equivalent (at a different place, with different American leaders, and with more and better armed Indians) is a rout. Similarly, the Battle of Calabee Creek is a victory for the Red Sticks over General Floyd and the Georgia militia, which now gives the Red Sticks 2 cannon. [/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Without a major defeat, the Red Sticks don't give up, but neither do the Americans, so there are continued skirmishes, with sometimes one side winning, sometimes the other. The Red Sticks retreat south, further from the Georgians' and Tennesseans' bases of supply (supply being very much the weak point of the US campaigns here), and gain the upper hand, at which point the skirmishes diminish greatly.[/FONT]​
 
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