On Wikipedia they have a lot of historical maps showing modern borders for reference and such.
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On Wikipedia they have a lot of historical maps showing modern borders for reference and such.
A somewhat ASB one - I got well along before the thought came to me - "hey Bruce, glaciers don't form that fast! The sea level won't drop that much!" But I'd already put in some time, so what the hell.
The "Little Ice Age" never ended, and indeed eventually turned into an actual one. By the early 19th century, Europeans started moving south en masse to warmer climes, leading to a somewhat "Peshawar Lancers" scenario, save that the change took place over generations of increasingly poor harvests and famines rather than in one swell foop.
In some ways, it was _worse_ than the Lancers-verse, since while there things returned to normal within a few years, temperatures here dipped and failed to rise again. Massive shifts of population occured as grazing land became tundra, cropland became suitable only for cattle raising, rice-farming land became better suited for wheat, and humidity decreased. Europeans were instrumental in helping people elsewhere to adopt to new farming regimes, but for those who could not move or adapt fast enough, famine and death were the inevitable end result. (The Japanese were their usual adaptable selves and managed to make a transition from rice to winter wheat and other Canadian-type crops before too many of their population starved to death).
The Sahara is even drier than OTL, and the rainfall is less reliable in the Ethiopian highlands - damns on the Nile here are a necessity rather than a national ego-boost. Egypt avoided wholescale colonization due to the rather uncertain water supply, but a lot of refugees from dinky countries with no ability to grab lands of their own ended up here, helping to build dams and irrigation systems.
The Phillipines (mostly one big island nowadays) have a lot of Spaniards, and a load of Chinese and Japanese refugees: racial politics are...complicated.
The Balkans, which still allow for crop-growing near the coasts, are a mess, what with all the late-staying Hungarians, Romanians, Czechs, etc., that ended up there. Greece is as much Slav as Hellenic, and the wars and ethnic cleansings of roughly 1880-1940 have left bitter memories. A Turkish rump state survives, and is, curiously, allied with the Greeks against their common Russian foe.
Russia's move to the south did not go well, and the three successor states range from Racist Democracy (the Russian Republic of the Orient, which does not get along well with it's large Chinese and Korean minority), to slightly Theocratic Absolutism (the neo-Byzantine Empire: what with the drying of much of the Agean, Istanbul/Byzantium is now landlocked and depopulated), to whacky Psycho Theo-Fascism (the Imperium: didn't actually eat that many Persians, but didn't do much Sharing).
The CSA moved into Mexico and the Caribbean, and by 2009 is majority Catholic and pretty racially integrated. There is some talk of returning the capital from Mexico City to Sheridan, but the cost of building a protective dome to keep out the cold has so far prevented the bill from getting through the Senate.
The cooling has bottomed out, in part due to conspicous consumption of hysdrocarbons over the last century (the value of more CO2 in the atmosphere was worked out in the late 1800's) - however, some people are not arguing that global re-warming might be a bad idea - after all, it was hard enough to get through the _first_ period of rapid climate change.
Still, things are looking up. Although standards of living are lower than OTL, there's no place on Earth as badly off, relatively speaking, as our TLs black Africa - although the west African German regime treats it's black citizens pretty badly (curiously, New Prussia is much more progressive - the current Chancellor is of mostly Masai ancestry).
Bruce
PS- It's not _our_ CSA: enough butterflies from weather changes were in place by the late 18th century for the US to get a different name from the start.
The "Little Ice Age" never ended, and indeed eventually turned into an actual one. By the early 19th century, Europeans started moving south en masse to warmer climes, leading to a somewhat "Peshawar Lancers" scenario, save that the change took place over generations of increasingly poor harvests and famines rather than in one swell foop.
In some ways, it was _worse_ than the Lancers-verse, since while there things returned to normal within a few years, temperatures here dipped and failed to rise again. Massive shifts of population occured as grazing land became tundra, cropland became suitable only for cattle raising, rice-farming land became better suited for wheat, and humidity decreased. Europeans were instrumental in helping people elsewhere to adopt to new farming regimes, but for those who could not move or adapt fast enough, famine and death were the inevitable end result. (The Japanese were their usual adaptable selves and managed to make a transition from rice to winter wheat and other Canadian-type crops before too many of their population starved to death).
The Sahara is even drier than OTL, and the rainfall is less reliable in the Ethiopian highlands - damns on the Nile here are a necessity rather than a national ego-boost. Egypt avoided wholescale colonization due to the rather uncertain water supply, but a lot of refugees from dinky countries with no ability to grab lands of their own ended up here, helping to build dams and irrigation systems.
The Phillipines (mostly one big island nowadays) have a lot of Spaniards, and a load of Chinese and Japanese refugees: racial politics are...complicated.
The Balkans, which still allow for crop-growing near the coasts, are a mess, what with all the late-staying Hungarians, Romanians, Czechs, etc., that ended up there. Greece is as much Slav as Hellenic, and the wars and ethnic cleansings of roughly 1880-1940 have left bitter memories. A Turkish rump state survives, and is, curiously, allied with the Greeks against their common Russian foe.
Russia's move to the south did not go well, and the three successor states range from Racist Democracy (the Russian Republic of the Orient, which does not get along well with it's large Chinese and Korean minority), to slightly Theocratic Absolutism (the neo-Byzantine Empire: what with the drying of much of the Agean, Istanbul/Byzantium is now landlocked and depopulated), to whacky Psycho Theo-Fascism (the Imperium: didn't actually eat that many Persians, but didn't do much Sharing).
The CSA moved into Mexico and the Caribbean, and by 2009 is majority Catholic and pretty racially integrated. There is some talk of returning the capital from Mexico City to Sheridan, but the cost of building a protective dome to keep out the cold has so far prevented the bill from getting through the Senate.
The cooling has bottomed out, in part due to conspicous consumption of hysdrocarbons over the last century (the value of more CO2 in the atmosphere was worked out in the late 1800's) - however, some people are not arguing that global re-warming might be a bad idea - after all, it was hard enough to get through the _first_ period of rapid climate change.
Still, things are looking up. Although standards of living are lower than OTL, there's no place on Earth as badly off, relatively speaking, as our TLs black Africa - although the west African German regime treats it's black citizens pretty badly (curiously, New Prussia is much more progressive - the current Chancellor is of mostly Masai ancestry).
Bruce
PS- It's not _our_ CSA: enough butterflies from weather changes were in place by the late 18th century for the US to get a different name from the start.
That is an interesting map, though their are a few geological errors.
Places that are much bigger than they would be in that scenario:
Philippines, Greece, Anatolia Cuba (though it would get slightly larger in the South-West), Sulawesi, the Sunda islands, Hispaniola, Italy (it would'nt connect with Sardinia), Arabia (it would'nt connect with the horn of Africa, otherwise fine) and Japan (it would'nt become an extension of Kamchatka, though it would create an inland sea betweenManchuria and China-Korea).
Places that are not big enough:
Indian ocean islands near Madagascar (they'd get pretty big), the Bahamas (they'd become much larger as well), Florida (give it slightly more land south), the Yucatan peninsula (slightly more North-East) and the Mexicali peninsula should be a tiny bit longer a dn slightly more plump.
Ice:
Their would'nt be a gap between the American and European ice sheets and their should be more ice in the Beringia region.
Though I realize that that base map does'nt have Antarctica, their would be ice sheets within visibility from New Zeland and the icesheet would be close to Africa, Australia and South America as well.
Anyways, it is an awesome map, and certainly looks like it took time and effort to make, so thumbs up on that part.
Places that are much bigger than they would be in that scenario:
Philippines, Greece, Anatolia Cuba (though it would get slightly larger in the South-West), Sulawesi, the Sunda islands, Hispaniola, Italy (it would'nt connect with Sardinia), Arabia (it would'nt connect with the horn of Africa, otherwise fine) and Japan (it would'nt become an extension of Kamchatka, though it would create an inland sea betweenManchuria and China-Korea).
Places that are not big enough:
Indian ocean islands near Madagascar (they'd get pretty big), the Bahamas (they'd become much larger as well), Florida (give it slightly more land south), the Yucatan peninsula (slightly more North-East) and the Mexicali peninsula should be a tiny bit longer a dn slightly more plump.
Ice:
Their would'nt be a gap between the American and European ice sheets and their should be more ice in the Beringia region.
Though I realize that that base map does'nt have Antarctica, their would be ice sheets within visibility from New Zeland and the icesheet would be close to Africa, Australia and South America as well.
Anyways, it is an awesome map, and certainly looks like it took time and effort to make, so thumbs up on that part.
Yeah - I found some online "ice age sea levels" maps, which all seemed to contradict eachother. I suppose I could have went to the library for an official source, but it ate enough of my time as it is...
Bruce
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Yeah, but ITTL it's extremely unlikely that we'll get, for example, the Oder-Neisse line. Therefore having borders just like OTL's is wrong and distracting.
However, doing a textbook map showing an AH scenario and with light "modern borders" showing its counter-intuitive consequences would be cool...
A map from a Time Line i am Working on where Japan is Modernized during the Napoleonic Wars, resulting in a Japan that is capable of challanging western nations.
This is 1830, any comments?
This is 1830, any comments?
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You can practise your rune-skills with this reference hereAgain, thank you
wait.. what?
The list of Tolkien's Moonrunes (which is basically a slightly extended Futhark) is in the reference I provided to Knepah - you can try reading what the labels say
Although I didn't put any Easter eggs in, only thought about that once I was done.
Thande
Donor
And here's the loony-tune map.
Bruce
Interesting idea. ASB as you say but still a nice concept. It seems not to take enough butterflies into account to my mind though to say the divergence is in the 17th century...
Thanks guys! Yes, the protuding parts of the map were intended, even if the final effect wasn't as I expected. There's too much rigour in here! Let those maps ooze out!
And btw, wonderful map, Legolas! It's a shame that I can't read Runic (Runes?)
Excellent map there Ampersand. Really outstanding.
And Legolas you've got a really inventive one too.
A map showing the political situation of the states of the United States of North America in my Great Death Timeline.
NOTES:
The states are colored based on what party either holds a majority of the legislature or is the lead coalition party.
Ideologies don't match up to their OTL counterparts in some cases, such as Communism, which ATL is more akin to Libertarian Socialism than anything.
The Montreal Federal Capital has no single party dominant, rather the Democrats, Communists, Socialists and Republicans all have one of the four City Council seats and nearly equal representation in the city legislature.
NOTES:
The states are colored based on what party either holds a majority of the legislature or is the lead coalition party.
Ideologies don't match up to their OTL counterparts in some cases, such as Communism, which ATL is more akin to Libertarian Socialism than anything.
The Montreal Federal Capital has no single party dominant, rather the Democrats, Communists, Socialists and Republicans all have one of the four City Council seats and nearly equal representation in the city legislature.
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Not Libertarian, Libertian.
But yeah, essentially the same ideology as OTL, just with a slightly different name, and a non-public internal division between those on the economic left and right.
That looks like...the area around Vladivostok? I think I can make out "Russia" in the top left.
Krall
Banned
I think it's definitely meant to say "Russia", but the correct spelling of "Russia" in Greek is "Ρωσία".
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