When I saw a 'Serbia' in Southern Africa I almost spat my tea out.
hat's a very good map and some very detailed history.
Along with your previous Kashmir War map, this is one of the best histories posted so far in the Map Thread.
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hat's a very good map and some very detailed history.
Along with your previous Kashmir War map, this is one of the best histories posted so far in the Map Thread.
Thank you. In regards to Serbia, it's a government-in-exile type of situation, with the F. therefore standing for 'Free.'
Hehehe thats because my beloved Austria has a Habsburg puppet sitting on the True Serbian Throne.
The American Socialist Party Matthew Callaghan wins the Presidential Election, his former rival and now Vice President John Rockensen had made a tough battle but just couldn't poll off a tough guy manly appearance which many Yankees wanted in a President. Rockensen was young, scrawny, and had a depressing personality, but what really ruined Rockensen's campaign was when British and French leaders said "out of the two socialist candidates we would prefer Rockensen". He did however achieve 30% of the party's approval which is why he was chosen for VP.
William DeWolf was elected as President of the CSA by a landslide, with Florida, Virginia AND Texas under his belt the Presidency was his. The Whig argument for Texas to be split into five new states to make the playing field more even are still going on but so far the Democrats have made no serious attempts for carving up Texas.
William DeWolf was elected as President of the CSA by a landslide, with Florida, Virginia AND Texas under his belt the Presidency was his. The Whig argument for Texas to be split into five new states to make the playing field more even are still going on but so far the Democrats have made no serious attempts for carving up Texas.
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U.S. Presidential Election, 1976.
Things haven't gone well in The Humphrey Administration. His time running The Vietnam War was horrible, and people claimed he ruined a great thing DiSalle started (DiSalle made smarter decisions.) North Vietnam won, and Molotov kept on rubbing it in America's face. People called Humphrey, a "commie lover".
Humphrey spent much of his time finishing Civil Rights, although only a bit was still passed. The Economy has had a decrease in power, and unemployment was higher. Roe v. Wade still happened, but it failed, due to unhappiness with Liberalism. Humphrey knew that his rather shitty first term would hurt him in the '76 elections.
Ronald Reagan runs for President, after being CA Governor himself. He wins the nomination, mainly by help from Southern Evangelicals, Labor Unions, and Young people. Some people suggested Jimmy Carter, or Bush Sr. who ran against Reagan, to be V.P., but Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole (Who won a Seat in The Senate as a Conservative Democrat in 1963) was chosen. Reagan and Dole defeat Humphrey in a landslide. Humphrey goes down in history as an unsuccessful President.
Blue - Reagan/Dole (DEM)
Red - Humphrey/Kennedy (GOP)
Things haven't gone well in The Humphrey Administration. His time running The Vietnam War was horrible, and people claimed he ruined a great thing DiSalle started (DiSalle made smarter decisions.) North Vietnam won, and Molotov kept on rubbing it in America's face. People called Humphrey, a "commie lover".
Humphrey spent much of his time finishing Civil Rights, although only a bit was still passed. The Economy has had a decrease in power, and unemployment was higher. Roe v. Wade still happened, but it failed, due to unhappiness with Liberalism. Humphrey knew that his rather shitty first term would hurt him in the '76 elections.
Ronald Reagan runs for President, after being CA Governor himself. He wins the nomination, mainly by help from Southern Evangelicals, Labor Unions, and Young people. Some people suggested Jimmy Carter, or Bush Sr. who ran against Reagan, to be V.P., but Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole (Who won a Seat in The Senate as a Conservative Democrat in 1963) was chosen. Reagan and Dole defeat Humphrey in a landslide. Humphrey goes down in history as an unsuccessful President.
Blue - Reagan/Dole (DEM)
Red - Humphrey/Kennedy (GOP)
Nietzsche
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..why not just go ahead and skip the facade and turn the US into a single-party theocratic dictatorship?
Mr. Evangelical
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Don't worry, The Republicans will have a good President, I am thinking about Bill Clinton in 1988.
Mr. Evangelical
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Sounds like George W. Bush's wet dream.
I'm not going to make it a single party dictatorship. The Liberal Republicans are just having a rough time getting elected right now.
Nietzsche
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I don't believe there's been any election short of that of George Washington himself that has been so utterly land-slided.
That's what I was gonna say.
FDR won his second term with all but 8 electoral votes, Nixon won his second term with all but 18, and Reagan won his second term with all but 13. It's not that far fetched at all for such a landslide to occur in an ATL.
Mr. Evangelical
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In fact This ATL 1976 election is less landslide-ish than 1936, 1972, 1980, or 1984.
Inspired by the “Nicer Planet of the Apes” thread that showed up in the ASB section, an ASB map.
It’s been 50 years since WWIII brought an end to the old world. In this universe, as per 1970’s expectations, the USSR survived into the 21st century: ironically, it was finally succeeding in reforming economically, after several decades of “three steps forward, two back,” when the hammer came down. (Rebelling apes in the US seized control of a missile base and some very serious misunderstandings followed.)
The devastation wasn’t a full-blown apocalypse, at least for the US and it’s allies: the technologies derived from a crashed ape-carrying spaceship from an alternate future had helped develop some fairly effective anti-missile tech. Still, the devastation was pretty bad, tens of millions died, central government broke down- and the teeming millions of genetically enhanced ape slaves had their chance.
Not all of the planet was taken over by apes. In much of the third world, local labor was still cheaper than ape labor, especially once you had factored in the cost of raising the apes to adulthood: there weren’t enough apes to lead a revolt in India, SE Asia, etc. The Soviet Union and its satellites had never gone in for ape slaves, which they considered an insult to the dignity of the proletariat. Much of the Islamic world considered the engineered apes an abomination – but the corrupt Saudi potentates were tickled pink by the notion of new-type slaves, which is why the Holy Places of Islam are now under the rule of very hairy “people.”
China, which had turned as OTL to a mostly capitalist economy, invested heavily in ape labor to make up for it’s aging population, and paid the price: only in the south, with the help of the formidable Vietnamese army, did humans win out. South America had a fair number of apes, but not enough to successfully overthrow human rule: in the post-war chaos, like the slaves of old, many fled to the jungles of the interior to create “free states” of their own.
50 years on, tensions remain high between human and ape. Most of North America, save for the eco-friendly, anarchic (but armed to the teeth) apes of the Pacific Northwest, is under the rule of the Empire (and if you make pregnancy jokes to any of the apes, they’ll twist your head off), a military dictatorship in which humans are slaves. Although the human-majority areas of Mexico and Central America are only barely pacified, the aggressive regime has “Finlandized” the Colombians to force overflights of weapons and supplies to their ape allies in the S. American jungles, conquered the “ape homelands” of Central Africa, and after coming to help out the apes of Australia in their struggle with the Indians, somehow forgot to leave.
The Pongid Federation of Europe is a much more democratic society (humans don’t have the vote and can't bear arms, but aren’t enslaved - although they’re heartily encouraged to leave), and is making tentative alliances with human powers to prevent further expansion of the Empire, which they find ideologically repulsive – apes imitating the worst excesses of human imperialism. They have cooperated with the Brazilians in building puppet states in W. Africa to act as a block to further expansion of the Empire in Africa.
The Caliphate is…weird. The apes have developed their own version of Islam, in which humans have lost the favor of God due to their sins, and apes are the new Chosen People. This doesn’t go down well with the Islamic countries, and it’s only military support from the Empire [1] that has allowed them to, so far, fight off attacks by the Iranians and the Egyptians. OTOH, they are having a fair amount of luck finding converts in the Empire and the Republic…
Brazil is the more-or-less leader of a coalition of S. American countries opposed to any further expansion by the Empire, but they suffer from various economic problems and unstable politics: the Whacky Populist Dictatorship that emerged in the post-WWIII, post-Ape Revolt economic collapse is gone now, but it really didn’t help. It looks like Latin America is either going to have to get closer to the Indians, who want to control their economy [2], or to the Pongid Republic, who are, well, apes. Argentina, meanwhile, is doing fairly well, is comfortably far away from the front lines, and is thinking of establishing a cross-ocean alliance with the S. Africans rather than being dictated to by the poorer and rather chaotic Brazilians.
(South Africa, which weathered the global chaos rather better than most of Africa, expanded mightily at the expense of it’s northern neighbors, but has run smack into ape-controlled territory, and is looking for allies.)
India is the most powerful human-run state, and dominates the Indian Ocean basin. It has set up puppets in East Africa to block Empire expansion, supported a human revolt in W. Australia, and is working to create a global “human alliance” under it’s leadership: they have so far been fairly scornful of Pongid efforts to establish more cordial relations. Hindu/Muslim conflicts have been papered over in union against a common enemy, and some Indians argue that the government needs conflict with the apes to maintain political union. (Such people only occasionally serve prison terms for subversion: after all, any government representative will assure you, India is not a dictatorship!)
Efforts to get the Siberians to sign up in a shiny happy human anti-ape coalition haven’t gone well: the inhabitants of the radioactive, bombed-out wreck of what was once the USSR aren’t so sure they are human any more. Living mostly underground, Breeding Prodigiously to make up for a very high death rate, the Siberians are pale, scrawny, and most often physically deformed in some way or other: indeed, there are rumors that the Siberians are in fact deliberately breeding themselves away from the basic human form. But there are a lot of rumors: of strange superweapons and hidden nuclear arsenals, of strange apocalyptic religious rites and burrows extending beneath the borders of neighboring nations. What is actually known is that the rump USSR is a nasty, paranoid, and isolationist dictatorship: that the few representatives foreigners meet are usually funny-looking at best: and that in recent years incursions on Siberian territory by Republic or Chinese Ape forces have generally ended rather badly.
Until recently, there were very few nuclear weapons in the world: those which weren’t destroyed or used up in the war, were mostly eliminated in the post-war “never again” reaction. However, as the new ape Empire expanded into chaotic post-war Mexico, as Ape and human clashed again and again in the Middle and Far Easts, and as the Republic began it’s expansion into the burned and ruined lands of Eastern Europe, a good equalizer began looking increasingly less Unthinkable Evil and more a Necessity. And, of course, before long the Empire had it’s own developments – to protect it’s people from humans getting the upper hand again, of course. And god only knows what the Siberians, who some think worship radiation, are up to. A new arms race appears to be in the offing: nobody really wants it, but can it be avoided?
Bruce
[1] And some from the Republic. The Republican government thinks they’re a bunch of crazies, but they don’t want to see fellow apes butchered if the Jihad ever succeeds.
[2] As the Brazilians see it
It’s been 50 years since WWIII brought an end to the old world. In this universe, as per 1970’s expectations, the USSR survived into the 21st century: ironically, it was finally succeeding in reforming economically, after several decades of “three steps forward, two back,” when the hammer came down. (Rebelling apes in the US seized control of a missile base and some very serious misunderstandings followed.)
The devastation wasn’t a full-blown apocalypse, at least for the US and it’s allies: the technologies derived from a crashed ape-carrying spaceship from an alternate future had helped develop some fairly effective anti-missile tech. Still, the devastation was pretty bad, tens of millions died, central government broke down- and the teeming millions of genetically enhanced ape slaves had their chance.
Not all of the planet was taken over by apes. In much of the third world, local labor was still cheaper than ape labor, especially once you had factored in the cost of raising the apes to adulthood: there weren’t enough apes to lead a revolt in India, SE Asia, etc. The Soviet Union and its satellites had never gone in for ape slaves, which they considered an insult to the dignity of the proletariat. Much of the Islamic world considered the engineered apes an abomination – but the corrupt Saudi potentates were tickled pink by the notion of new-type slaves, which is why the Holy Places of Islam are now under the rule of very hairy “people.”
China, which had turned as OTL to a mostly capitalist economy, invested heavily in ape labor to make up for it’s aging population, and paid the price: only in the south, with the help of the formidable Vietnamese army, did humans win out. South America had a fair number of apes, but not enough to successfully overthrow human rule: in the post-war chaos, like the slaves of old, many fled to the jungles of the interior to create “free states” of their own.
50 years on, tensions remain high between human and ape. Most of North America, save for the eco-friendly, anarchic (but armed to the teeth) apes of the Pacific Northwest, is under the rule of the Empire (and if you make pregnancy jokes to any of the apes, they’ll twist your head off), a military dictatorship in which humans are slaves. Although the human-majority areas of Mexico and Central America are only barely pacified, the aggressive regime has “Finlandized” the Colombians to force overflights of weapons and supplies to their ape allies in the S. American jungles, conquered the “ape homelands” of Central Africa, and after coming to help out the apes of Australia in their struggle with the Indians, somehow forgot to leave.
The Pongid Federation of Europe is a much more democratic society (humans don’t have the vote and can't bear arms, but aren’t enslaved - although they’re heartily encouraged to leave), and is making tentative alliances with human powers to prevent further expansion of the Empire, which they find ideologically repulsive – apes imitating the worst excesses of human imperialism. They have cooperated with the Brazilians in building puppet states in W. Africa to act as a block to further expansion of the Empire in Africa.
The Caliphate is…weird. The apes have developed their own version of Islam, in which humans have lost the favor of God due to their sins, and apes are the new Chosen People. This doesn’t go down well with the Islamic countries, and it’s only military support from the Empire [1] that has allowed them to, so far, fight off attacks by the Iranians and the Egyptians. OTOH, they are having a fair amount of luck finding converts in the Empire and the Republic…
Brazil is the more-or-less leader of a coalition of S. American countries opposed to any further expansion by the Empire, but they suffer from various economic problems and unstable politics: the Whacky Populist Dictatorship that emerged in the post-WWIII, post-Ape Revolt economic collapse is gone now, but it really didn’t help. It looks like Latin America is either going to have to get closer to the Indians, who want to control their economy [2], or to the Pongid Republic, who are, well, apes. Argentina, meanwhile, is doing fairly well, is comfortably far away from the front lines, and is thinking of establishing a cross-ocean alliance with the S. Africans rather than being dictated to by the poorer and rather chaotic Brazilians.
(South Africa, which weathered the global chaos rather better than most of Africa, expanded mightily at the expense of it’s northern neighbors, but has run smack into ape-controlled territory, and is looking for allies.)
India is the most powerful human-run state, and dominates the Indian Ocean basin. It has set up puppets in East Africa to block Empire expansion, supported a human revolt in W. Australia, and is working to create a global “human alliance” under it’s leadership: they have so far been fairly scornful of Pongid efforts to establish more cordial relations. Hindu/Muslim conflicts have been papered over in union against a common enemy, and some Indians argue that the government needs conflict with the apes to maintain political union. (Such people only occasionally serve prison terms for subversion: after all, any government representative will assure you, India is not a dictatorship!)
Efforts to get the Siberians to sign up in a shiny happy human anti-ape coalition haven’t gone well: the inhabitants of the radioactive, bombed-out wreck of what was once the USSR aren’t so sure they are human any more. Living mostly underground, Breeding Prodigiously to make up for a very high death rate, the Siberians are pale, scrawny, and most often physically deformed in some way or other: indeed, there are rumors that the Siberians are in fact deliberately breeding themselves away from the basic human form. But there are a lot of rumors: of strange superweapons and hidden nuclear arsenals, of strange apocalyptic religious rites and burrows extending beneath the borders of neighboring nations. What is actually known is that the rump USSR is a nasty, paranoid, and isolationist dictatorship: that the few representatives foreigners meet are usually funny-looking at best: and that in recent years incursions on Siberian territory by Republic or Chinese Ape forces have generally ended rather badly.
Until recently, there were very few nuclear weapons in the world: those which weren’t destroyed or used up in the war, were mostly eliminated in the post-war “never again” reaction. However, as the new ape Empire expanded into chaotic post-war Mexico, as Ape and human clashed again and again in the Middle and Far Easts, and as the Republic began it’s expansion into the burned and ruined lands of Eastern Europe, a good equalizer began looking increasingly less Unthinkable Evil and more a Necessity. And, of course, before long the Empire had it’s own developments – to protect it’s people from humans getting the upper hand again, of course. And god only knows what the Siberians, who some think worship radiation, are up to. A new arms race appears to be in the offing: nobody really wants it, but can it be avoided?
Bruce
[1] And some from the Republic. The Republican government thinks they’re a bunch of crazies, but they don’t want to see fellow apes butchered if the Jihad ever succeeds.
[2] As the Brazilians see it
Ummm. Sorry about that. I was kinda inconsistent.
Fixed map. However, the "Most Serene Republics" just wouldn't work without the "The".
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