沒有國民黨就沒有中國, Without the Kuomintang there would be no China, A Republic of China Story

Malenkov was publicly anti-Chiang, but privately was happy that Chiang was president.
It makes sense Malenkov was secretly happy that Chiang ching-kuo was president because a hardliner like Chen Lifu could only cause trouble for the Soviet Union.

And Alexander Shelepin is like a Soviet Chen Lifu as he had briefly tried causing trouble for Chiang ching-kuo.
 
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八十四, Foreigners in China
Throughout its history, China had always attracted foreigners. Some were there to plunder, others to do business. The 20th century was no different. Though foreigners began to leave in large numbers due to the Second World War and the return of the treaty ports to Chinese sovereignty, later in the century there was a new wave of Non-Chinese in China. They were from a variety of countries with a variety of motives. From businessmen, to travelers, to missionaries, to refugees, China offered them something they desired. By the 1980s, the number of foreigners had greatly increased, and it was estimated that there were over one million foreigners living in China. They would make their impact on the course of Chinese history in the mid to late 20th century.

As the Civil War was winding down, and the remaining battles were being fought far away from Shanghai and Canton, foreign businessmen started making their way back into China. Their numbers would be small until the 1970s. This was because there was a gradual loosening of restrictions on foreign businesses (and there would be more loosening of restrictions in the 1980s). These businessmen were overwhelmingly westerners, Japanese, or Koreans. Increasing business opportunities in China led to higher demand for Chinese language skills in their home countries. By 1990, Chinese classes would be offered at just about every major university in North America and Western Europe. Foreign businessmen would be common in Shanghai, Canton, and Nanking, but much less common further from the coasts.

Other foreigners were less interested in business and more interested in souls. Missionaries were the most common type of foreigners in China before the Chinese economy was strong. The vast majority of them, though not all, practiced some form of Christianity. Catholics and Evangelicals were the largest groups. Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and even some Muslims traveled to China to share their faith. Cao Dai gained a foothold in China from Vietnamese immigrants. Missionaries often had jobs as doctors or sometimes teachers. The government respected the free practice of religion for the most part, and thus they were allowed to spread their religion. Some missionaries were arrested and deported for aiding anti-government people and causes in the country, however.

Other foreigners came to China for China’s religions. There was a new obsession with Eastern religion in general in the 1970s, and this trend extended into the 1980s. Westerners went to see China’s many temples, including Tibetan temples. The Quarrymen, an English band, performed in Hong Kong, Shanghai, and Beiping during their tour of Asia in 1971. While travelling in China, they met with some spiritual figures. John Lennon was particularly intrigued by man going by the name of Chun Kaiming, a Buddhist leader claiming to be the true Dalai Lama. When the Quarrymen broke up in 1974, Lennon went further into his devotion to Buddhism, and even invited Chun Kaiming to England, where he would father a son with an English woman known by the name of Jimmy Chun.

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(John Lennon)

Some came to China to escape a bad situation back home. Very few of these people would ever gain citizenship, as that was difficult for anyone without any Chinese blood. Most of these immigrants were from Southeast Asia. They had fled the violence in places like Vietnam and Laos. Some criminals made it into China among the refugees, and they would fight gang wars with the triads in Southern China during the 50s and 60s. As the war began to wind down, most of them were sent back to their home countries, though some would stay. Defectors from the Soviet Union, North Korea, Mongolia, and East Turkestan lived in China as well. These defectors were used by the government as proof of how free China was.

Foreigners were, for the most part, welcomed in China. Many foreigners would stay in China and raise their families there. Some who learned Chinese became celebrities. There was still anti-foreign sentiment. Many in Southern China resented the Vietnamese and Laotians, as they were often willing to work for lower wages. The China Homeland Party would make opposition to immigration a major part of its platform (though it remained a fringe party). Japanese in China faced prejudice, as the wounds of the Second World War were still relatively recent. In 1981, a barfight between Chinese and Japanese in Wuhan turned into a riot in which buildings belonging to Japanese companies were looted. The police cracked down on the riot and several rioters would receive jail sentences.
 
So the Beatles maintian the name of the Quarrymen then?

Deinitely sounds pretty intriguing here and of course, immigration issues are gonna be a problem
 
The Soviet Union blockaded the country.
Not going to happen. A blockade is act of war. (The US declared a "quarantine" of Cuba in 1962.) Are Soviet ships going to fire on a neutral vessel en route to Israel? If, as is likely, Israeli warships escort such a ship, will Soviet vessels fire on them?
America sent ships into the Eastern Mediterranean and airlifted supplies into Israel.
Then it must mean the US is breaking the blockade. Also since 1920 or so, blockades include the air.
 
Chiang decided that China would stop supporting Kazakh insurgents in the Soviet Union.
This is impossible. The USSR would be absolutely enraged over foreign assistance to armed rebels in its own territory.
He also was considering ending support to Afghan rebels if the Soviets could agree to a withdrawal from Afghanistan, or possibly even abandon East Turkestan.
Again, this is impossible. China would not tolerate Soviet occupation of its recognized sovereign territory. In 1946-1950, when the Civil War was in progress, and there were still quasi-independent warlords in China, the RoC might leave the issue "on the back burner". But in the 1950s, when China has become united, and a real major power, getting the Soviets out would become an absolute priority.
 
As the Civil War was winding down, and the remaining battles were being fought far away from Shanghai and Canton, foreign businessmen started making their way back into China.
OTOH, there would be considerable Chinese immigration to other countries. As in post-Deng OTL, the Chinese diaspora would expand dramatically. OT1H, with the very considerable growth of the Chinese economy, there would be many newly wealthy Chinese taking up residence in Europe, the US, and other high-end locales, including Chinese investors and executives. OTOH, China remains a relatively poor country with many well-trained scholars and professionals (especially medical professionals). There would be a "brain drain" of such Chinese.

Some of this has happened OTL, but really starting only in the 1990s; ITTL it could start in the 1960s.

One might see China rather than the Philippines supplying nurses and caregivers to the rest of the world.
 
I will wait to see what happens to North Korea in 1990.
There’s no way the ROC tolerates North Korea’s communist regime IMHO. With the massive instability and economic collapse accompanying the loss of NK’s communist Soviet Union sugar daddy, the ROC will enact a coup and overthrow the Kim regime and setup a democratic capitalist state.

I see them becoming something like Moldova, culturally and linguistically near identical to Romania and hoping desperately to join the much more populous and wealthy Romania and Romania being hesitant due to the economic downfall.

Replace Moldova with North Korea and Romania with South Korea. I think the south would desire reunification but not immediately like Germany. The northern population needs to lose decades of brainwashing (and once they do the envy and desire to join with the South will be immense) while the South wants to develop the north more so they don’t economically crash upon annexing it.

China is ok with a United Korea and likely helps invest in and stabilise the north along with the South because Korea is firmly in the Chinese orbit and not American ITTL
 
There’s no way the ROC tolerates North Korea’s communist regime IMHO. With the massive instability and economic collapse accompanying the loss of NK’s communist Soviet Union sugar daddy, the ROC will enact a coup and overthrow the Kim regime and setup a democratic capitalist state.

I see them becoming something like Moldova, culturally and linguistically near identical to Romania and hoping desperately to join the much more populous and wealthy Romania and Romania being hesitant due to the economic downfall.

Replace Moldova with North Korea and Romania with South Korea. I think the south would desire reunification but not immediately like Germany. The northern population needs to lose decades of brainwashing (and once they do the envy and desire to join with the South will be immense) while the South wants to develop the north more so they don’t economically crash upon annexing it.

China is ok with a United Korea and likely helps invest in and stabilise the north along with the South because Korea is firmly in the Chinese orbit and not American ITTL
That said, South Korea was actually just as bad as North Korea was if not worse until like the 1980s or so. Hell, North Korea only began going to hell because of the end of the Cold War with no USSR, the second Kim and the famines of the mid-1990s. So honestly, the economic disparity would not be as significant as most people expect. This does say alot on how South Korea was able to improve over the last 20 years that people didn't know it was kinda of a dumpster fire for a few decades prior.
 
That said, South Korea was actually just as bad as North Korea was if not worse until like the 1980s or so. Hell, North Korea only began going to hell because of the end of the Cold War with no USSR, the second Kim and the famines of the mid-1990s. So honestly, the economic disparity would not be as significant as most people expect. This does say alot on how South Korea was able to improve over the last 20 years that people didn't know it was kinda of a dumpster fire for a few decades prior.
Huh, I knew SK used to be bad but it was still meh in the 90s? Well then, German style reunification is on the table.
 
Huh, I knew SK used to be bad but it was still meh in the 90s? Well then, German style reunification is on the table.
I mean, they were still hurt by the 1997 Asian Financial Crisis and autocracy was considered over in 1997 with the election of Kim Dae-jung from what I read. Yeah, it had recovered alot, but North Korea's own descent into the crapper was also fairly recent, the mid-1990s. So Korean reunification would not be economic trouble on either one because they were both in so-so shapes. Heck, avert the famines and natural diasters and they might be equallish.
 
I mean, they were still hurt by the 1997 Asian Financial Crisis and autocracy was considered over in 1997 with the election of Kim Dae-jung from what I read. Yeah, it had recovered alot, but North Korea's own descent into the crapper was also fairly recent, the mid-1990s. So Korean reunification would not be economic trouble on either one because they were both in so-so shapes. Heck, avert the famines and natural diasters and they might be equallish.
Reunified Korea developing together let’s go.
 
There’s no way the ROC tolerates North Korea’s communist regime IMHO. With the massive instability and economic collapse accompanying the loss of NK’s communist Soviet Union sugar daddy, the ROC will enact a coup and overthrow the Kim regime and setup a democratic capitalist state.

I see them becoming something like Moldova, culturally and linguistically near identical to Romania and hoping desperately to join the much more populous and wealthy Romania and Romania being hesitant due to the economic downfall.

Replace Moldova with North Korea and Romania with South Korea. I think the south would desire reunification but not immediately like Germany. The northern population needs to lose decades of brainwashing (and once they do the envy and desire to join with the South will be immense) while the South wants to develop the north more so they don’t economically crash upon annexing it.

China is ok with a United Korea and likely helps invest in and stabilise the north along with the South because Korea is firmly in the Chinese orbit and not American ITTL
I guess that the ROC might try to exploit any North Korean military officers who are secretly pro-ROC and pro-democracy.
 
I guess that the ROC might try to exploit any North Korean military officers who are secretly pro-ROC and pro-democracy.
Absolutely, heck they might even outright invade if that doesn’t work and it’s not like the US or anyone will complain about China bringing down a communist state. In fact the two Koreas only joined the United Nations in 1991 so they can’t even appeal their case to the UN which is now likely to admit a united Korea under the Southern ROK and governing the whole peninsula.
 
Again, this is impossible. China would not tolerate Soviet occupation of its recognized sovereign territory. In 1946-1950, when the Civil War was in progress, and there were still quasi-independent warlords in China, the RoC might leave the issue "on the back burner". But in the 1950s, when China has become united, and a real major power, getting the Soviets out would become an absolute priority.

China is worried about provoking nuclear war with the USSR, and the Soviets have more nuclear weapons. Though with China getting stronger, I don't want to spoil anything...

Not going to happen. A blockade is act of war. (The US declared a "quarantine" of Cuba in 1962.) Are Soviet ships going to fire on a neutral vessel en route to Israel? If, as is likely, Israeli warships escort such a ship, will Soviet vessels fire on them?

Then it must mean the US is breaking the blockade. Also since 1920 or so, blockades include the air.

Well, the blockade was pretty short-lived and ineffective, and the US could fly in supplies from Saudi Arabia or Egypt.

OTOH, there would be considerable Chinese immigration to other countries. As in post-Deng OTL, the Chinese diaspora would expand dramatically. OT1H, with the very considerable growth of the Chinese economy, there would be many newly wealthy Chinese taking up residence in Europe, the US, and other high-end locales, including Chinese investors and executives. OTOH, China remains a relatively poor country with many well-trained scholars and professionals (especially medical professionals). There would be a "brain drain" of such Chinese.

Some of this has happened OTL, but really starting only in the 1990s; ITTL it could start in the 1960s.

One might see China rather than the Philippines supplying nurses and caregivers to the rest of the world.
Yes. At first, there would be a lot less immigration (as so much of the emigration from China was related to the Civil War), but with China being more open, there will be increased emigration starting in the 1960s. Though China offers incentives for professionals to stay in the country, they won't be able to stop people from going abroad if they so choose.
 
Absolutely, heck they might even outright invade if that doesn’t work and it’s not like the US or anyone will complain about China bringing down a communist state. In fact the two Koreas only joined the United Nations in 1991 so they can’t even appeal their case to the UN which is now likely to admit a united Korea under the Southern ROK and governing the whole peninsula.
While true OTL, TTL both Koreas join the UN in the late 1960s.
 
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