All former Ma Clique/ Hui regions, do they have some more autonomy freedoms when compared to OTL Autonomous Republic provinces of the CPR?
沒有國民黨就沒有中國, Without the Kuomintang there would be no China, A Republic of China Story
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Only one post William McKinley, Many of the pre-civil war presidents didn't have a college degrees.
Ma Dunjing (馬敦靜), his son. Not to be confused with Ma Dunjing (馬敦靖), his nephew, in Gansu.
Officially they are just normal provinces (only Tibet gets autonomy). In practice, Nanjing takes a more hands off approach to them than to the other governors.
Just looked it up, I can't believe I had forgotten that.
I figured as much, what about their local armies/ militaries, some of them were quit extensive, one or two even on pair of the pre-civil war KMT itself, I bet Chiang can't have been happy about such a potential dangerous power base for opposition or someone eager for his leading position to remain in active service/ existing?
One warlord, Ma Bufang, was actually given command of a large portion of the Army and led the invasion of Tibet. As for their local armies, they've been integrated into the Chinese Army. Most of the people who served under the warlords are no longer in the military (considering that it has been almost 20 years since the last warlords independently commanded armies).
五十八, Sports in China
With the Second World War and the Civil War over, Chinese people could spend more time playing or watching sports. China had many traditional sports, including martial arts, table tennis, and dragon boat racing. The Republic of China saw foreign sports introduced into the country. Football was introduced by Europeans, while baseball and basketball were introduced by Americans. The Chinese government, eager to preserve traditional Chinese culture, promoted the traditional Chinese sports. At the same time, to enhance China’s prestige abroad, there would be much focus on western sports as well. Football was given a priority. The Republic of China Sports Federation invited foreign coaches to train their athletes and foreign players to play in their leagues. Yang Sen, a former warlord who served as the organization’s president, hoped to get China to win a world cup one day.
(Yang Sen)
Despite the efforts put in by many, China failed to qualify for the FIFA World Cup in 1954, 1958, and 1962. In 1966, however, China finally qualified for the World Cup. It was a cause for great excitement in China. Minkuo electronics saw a spike in profits as many Chinese families bought televisions for the first time to watch The Chinese national team compete in England. Unfortunately for their fans, China’s football team its first match against Italy, and then lost against North Korea. In 1970, China failed to qualify again. In the years since, China has qualified for the world cup more often than not, but it has never won the World Cup. The world Cup was finally held in China in 2006.
Basketball was slowly gaining popularity in China. The China Basketball League was founded in 1958. Foreigners, almost exclusively Americans early on, made up a large percentage of basketball players in China. Many of these people were those who were talented but couldn’t make it into the NBA. For a while, China was able to recruit some talented African-American players who were discriminated against back home. Chinese baseball was similar to Chinese basketball in that it was a foreign sport slowly becoming more popular in the country. Baseball had a sort of head start over basketball, however. Baseball was already popular in Taiwan. During the 50s and 60s, Taiwanese players dominated the nascent China Baseball League.
Taiwanese athletes also made their mark on the Olympics. Yang Chuan-kwang, a Taiwanese aboriginal decathlon athlete, won China’s first medal, silver, in 1960. China won very few Olympic medals during this period of time. Chinese athletes, many with military backgrounds, did well in shooting events during the Chiang Kai-shek era and beyond. China would not become a major Olympic powerhouse until the 1980s. In 1966, however, with allegations of bribery involved, it was announced that China would host the Olympics. The 1972 Olympic games would be held in Shanghai. China spent billions of Yuan on the Olympics, money that many activists claimed would be better spent elsewhere. Nevertheless, China was determined to make it work.
(Yang Chuan-kwang)
Security was increased. Shanghai hadn’t experienced any major subversive activity recently, but the government was still determined to take every precaution to make sure things stayed that way. Some protesters were arrested in the weeks and months leading up to the event. The opening ceremony was attended by both Chiang Kai-shek and his son, Chiang Ching-kuo, as well as Yang Sen. The opening ceremony was well-choreographed and included many displays of Chinese culture, such as the dragon dance. The ceremony blended the traditional with the modern, showing that even though China was a country that valued its long history, it was a forward-looking, modern country. China won some medals, though not nearly as many as the US or the Soviet Union, who dominated the games. China would host the Olympics again, when the winter games were held in Harbin in 2002.
(Yang Sen)
Despite the efforts put in by many, China failed to qualify for the FIFA World Cup in 1954, 1958, and 1962. In 1966, however, China finally qualified for the World Cup. It was a cause for great excitement in China. Minkuo electronics saw a spike in profits as many Chinese families bought televisions for the first time to watch The Chinese national team compete in England. Unfortunately for their fans, China’s football team its first match against Italy, and then lost against North Korea. In 1970, China failed to qualify again. In the years since, China has qualified for the world cup more often than not, but it has never won the World Cup. The world Cup was finally held in China in 2006.
Basketball was slowly gaining popularity in China. The China Basketball League was founded in 1958. Foreigners, almost exclusively Americans early on, made up a large percentage of basketball players in China. Many of these people were those who were talented but couldn’t make it into the NBA. For a while, China was able to recruit some talented African-American players who were discriminated against back home. Chinese baseball was similar to Chinese basketball in that it was a foreign sport slowly becoming more popular in the country. Baseball had a sort of head start over basketball, however. Baseball was already popular in Taiwan. During the 50s and 60s, Taiwanese players dominated the nascent China Baseball League.
Taiwanese athletes also made their mark on the Olympics. Yang Chuan-kwang, a Taiwanese aboriginal decathlon athlete, won China’s first medal, silver, in 1960. China won very few Olympic medals during this period of time. Chinese athletes, many with military backgrounds, did well in shooting events during the Chiang Kai-shek era and beyond. China would not become a major Olympic powerhouse until the 1980s. In 1966, however, with allegations of bribery involved, it was announced that China would host the Olympics. The 1972 Olympic games would be held in Shanghai. China spent billions of Yuan on the Olympics, money that many activists claimed would be better spent elsewhere. Nevertheless, China was determined to make it work.
(Yang Chuan-kwang)
Security was increased. Shanghai hadn’t experienced any major subversive activity recently, but the government was still determined to take every precaution to make sure things stayed that way. Some protesters were arrested in the weeks and months leading up to the event. The opening ceremony was attended by both Chiang Kai-shek and his son, Chiang Ching-kuo, as well as Yang Sen. The opening ceremony was well-choreographed and included many displays of Chinese culture, such as the dragon dance. The ceremony blended the traditional with the modern, showing that even though China was a country that valued its long history, it was a forward-looking, modern country. China won some medals, though not nearly as many as the US or the Soviet Union, who dominated the games. China would host the Olympics again, when the winter games were held in Harbin in 2002.
As a Formula 1 fan, I am interested what the state of motorsports would be in China as the first Chinese Grand Prix was held in 2004 IOTL.
Motorsports haven't become too popular yet, but they will be in the future.
IOTL 1950 qualification, Burma, Indonesia and the Philippines all withdrew before the draw, so India qualified automatically, ITTL if RoC was in, beating India (which won the Asian Game gold medal next year IOTL) in a two legs playoff wasn't impossible. Then IOTL 1954, only Japan and South Korea took part and RoC somehow withdrew, which IOTL they won 1954 and 1958 Asian Game gold medal, hence it would be even more possible to qualified, 1958 would be a bit more diffcult, but not impossible.
IOTL 1949-71 RoC Football National Team mostly made up by best players form Hong Kong Football League, heaven know how stronger they would had been if the National talent pool still intact. Plus no matter IOTL or TTL, legendary Lee Wai Tong would be the manager till 1960.
OTL 1st Macau Grand Prix was hosted in 1954, TTL would be one or three years earlier, many aspiring young men form wealthy coastal cities would got their baptism of fire there. China might even got their F1 non-championship races as early as late 1950's.
And there was a Japanese Grand Prix in 1976 IOTL (notable for being the grand finale of Rush).
Thanks for the information. I will admit that, as most Americans, my knowledge of football/soccer (using the term "football" TTL because this TL isn't set in America and the Chinese word is foot+ball) is limited.
五十九, Indonesia
Indonesia became independent from the Netherlands in 1945. It was and still is a massive country, both by land area and by population. The nation’s first leader would be a man named Sukarno, who would prove to be a controversial leader. At the beginning of Sukarno’s presidency, it looked like the country might become a liberal democracy, but that was not to last. As the 50s went on, he became increasingly authoritarian. Indonesia entered a period of “guided democracy.” This was not unlike what the KMT was doing in China. Sukarno was friendly with the Soviet Union, and his populist policies were supported by the Communist Party of Indonesia. His policies made him friends and enemies.
(Sukarno)
Indonesia under Sukarno would have good relations with the Soviet Union. This was a concern for many. Georgy Malenkov saw Sukarno as a potential ally in a region where Communists had been violently shut out of power, as had been the case in Vietnam and Laos. Sukarno became even more pro-Soviet in the 1960s. At the same time, he maintained good relations with China. China saw Indonesia as a long-term investment. First, China got guarantees for good treatment of the Chinese minority in Indonesia in exchange for aid (most of it coming in the form of military aid). China hoped that years of cooperation between the two countries would lead to Indonesia being opened up to Chinese economic influence. Meanwhile, the West was getting more and more worried about what was going on in Indonesia.
In 1964, a rumor went around, and was reported in some news outlets, that the USSR was planning to build military bases in Indonesia. The Soviet Union could use these bases to project power in the South Pacific. Australia was concerned that the Soviets would station missiles on the archipelago capable of hitting major Australian cities. China was seen as the protector of Asia from Communism, but China was making deals with Indonesia. Thus, if any action was to be taken, it would have to be from Indonesians themselves, or from the West. In 1965, Sukarno was overthrown by Suharto in a coup supported by America and Australia. The coup was followed by mass-killings, and many ethnic Chinese were caught up in the killings. In addition, Indonesia had signed a deal with Minkuo Electronics for selling TV sets in the country. China was furious with America for supporting the coup, and this caused a rift between China and the US. Suharto would be a consistent enemy of both Chiang Kai-shek and Georgy Malenkov.
(Suharto)
(Sukarno)
Indonesia under Sukarno would have good relations with the Soviet Union. This was a concern for many. Georgy Malenkov saw Sukarno as a potential ally in a region where Communists had been violently shut out of power, as had been the case in Vietnam and Laos. Sukarno became even more pro-Soviet in the 1960s. At the same time, he maintained good relations with China. China saw Indonesia as a long-term investment. First, China got guarantees for good treatment of the Chinese minority in Indonesia in exchange for aid (most of it coming in the form of military aid). China hoped that years of cooperation between the two countries would lead to Indonesia being opened up to Chinese economic influence. Meanwhile, the West was getting more and more worried about what was going on in Indonesia.
In 1964, a rumor went around, and was reported in some news outlets, that the USSR was planning to build military bases in Indonesia. The Soviet Union could use these bases to project power in the South Pacific. Australia was concerned that the Soviets would station missiles on the archipelago capable of hitting major Australian cities. China was seen as the protector of Asia from Communism, but China was making deals with Indonesia. Thus, if any action was to be taken, it would have to be from Indonesians themselves, or from the West. In 1965, Sukarno was overthrown by Suharto in a coup supported by America and Australia. The coup was followed by mass-killings, and many ethnic Chinese were caught up in the killings. In addition, Indonesia had signed a deal with Minkuo Electronics for selling TV sets in the country. China was furious with America for supporting the coup, and this caused a rift between China and the US. Suharto would be a consistent enemy of both Chiang Kai-shek and Georgy Malenkov.
(Suharto)
Huh, for a minute, I thought that we were going to get an Indonesian version of the Cuban Missile Crisis.
It's about where OTL China was c. 1990.
United States: Some people like China because China fought off Communists, others see China as a rival, and others are indifferent.
Soviet Union: China is viewed with suspicion, but is recognized to be sometimes useful.
That’s quite impressive. They’re 20 years ahead of the PRC. Benefits of not being communist I suppose.