沒有國民黨就沒有中國, Without the Kuomintang there would be no China, A Republic of China Story
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Not even close.
A lot of potential. Lots of shipyards in Southern China.
A few.
It's pretty much the same.
I think I'll stick with the current one, since the added claims really aren't that much different.An Updated claim map from Wikipedia which I based my question off of, new claims were added such as a few Vietnamese Islands and border territory, and Old claims were updated, will this map be used in future elections?
Administrative divisions of the Republic of China (1912–1949) - Wikipedia
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Newcomer here, blitzed through this TL and it keeps on giving, great stuff @CELTICEMPIRE.
Speaking of, how much foreign investment to China ITTL compared to China OTL? And how much does China invest into their neighboring Asian countries compared to OTL? How does it affect the development and relations of South-East Asia, particularly the Philippines ITTL? Does China ITTL initiate a Belt and Road Initiative like OTL? Does China began exerting its influence on the Global South, particularly Africa, South America, and South Asia; during the 2000s and the coming 2010s? Will China's influence raise concerns in the West?
Just one thing I want to question is why Ben Laden would try this stunt on China, supposedly he did 9/11 because the Americans called for disbanding his group after the Soviets were fully turned back and let the official government take power which let them turn into enemies, did RoC make similar demands? Seems a little arbitrary for the Al-Qaeda to target them like that.
Thank you!
Foreign investment was bigger than OTL but has been decreasing. The three biggest investors in China are the US, Japan, and Germany in that order.
China invests in pretty much all of its neighbors, though Pakistan receives little investment and is pretty hostile to China. Chinese investment in the Philippines (which was one of the first countries to see significant Chinese investment along with Malaysia, Vietnam, and Laos) has been substantial since the 70s. Central Asia is an area where China is expanding its economic power, with Uzbekistan now a Chinese ally. Vice President James Soong is proposing the "New Silk Road" with Central Asia. This is something he hopes to develop into something like the Belt and Road initiative.
China has tried to court some countries in the South Pacific (East Timor, Papua New Guinea, Solomon Islands) but Indonesia and the West oppose Chinese moves in the region. China has built a naval base in Sri Lanka in order to protect access to oil in the Middle East and project power into the Indian Ocean. Chinese investment and involvement in Africa goes way back, and continues to this day. China is particularly friendly with Kenya, having helped that country in a previous war with Somalia. China is increasingly interested in Somalia and the Red Sea. China funds a lot of infrastructure projects in Africa. China has had a good relationship with Guatemala, going back to the Arbenz days (he never gets overthrown TTL) and China has been importing fruit from Latin America for a long time. Latin America and Africa is where a lot of China's cheap electronics are exported to.
The West is a bit concerned about Africa and very concerned about the Indian Ocean and South Pacific.
China was seen as an easy target because bin-Laden believed he could cause a massive Uyghur uprising to destabilize China. Also remember that China is more involved in the Middle East TTL and generally supports Israel.
Pretty stupid to count on something they can't even control, but what to expect from them...
Seems like Indonesia acts like a buffer zone, that can minimize or halt China's moves. How about India, considering they have a big population. It will be interesting in the geopolitical space, that once India no longer needs Chinese investments once they have enough infrastructure. India could join Indonesia as meditator or buffer to China, that would keep the dragon in check. There won't be hostilities, but there will be some buffering from preventing China from gaining power and influence to much that could cause an imbalance. India, Indonesia, and maybe Australia could keep China in check.
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Interesting. 'Murica pulled Indonesia to act as a check for RoC hegemony over all of the East. Will Europe have something similar? What European country will have enough potential to act like that? Or maybe it would be more African Countries pulling away from the West and jumping to RoC, since even though they managed independence their economy very much isn't independent yet. Resentment can still find a place in the West and RoC can try to grab as many countries as it can. Africa is great for reaping natural resources.
For Europe, I could see the Visegrad Countries being potential Chinese allies owing to the Russo-American alignment.
Speaking of Indonesia, since ITTL China is now under the Kuomintang. In which the Domino Theory does not exist in this timeline. What would Suharto's reign look like without communism in Indonesia?
Australia is another country trying to counter Chinese influence.
France has potential to be a counter to American hegemony.
Yes.
Suharto is still anti-Communist and anti-Chinese. Sukarno had been friendly with the Soviet Union and China earlier. Suharto is still an authoritarian dictator, but he remains in power until his death in 2002. Indonesia is somewhat politically unstable now.
Uhh...yes the Domino Theory does not exist...however...communist influence in Indonesia had started to embed in the some parts of Indonesia nationalist movement since way before the POD in the early 1920s (and it can be argued that the Indonesia started their communism movement before the Chinese)....and the communism were in fact IOTL being part of Sukarno's ideology (hence the KOM part in NASAKOM)...and with the CCP gone...the Communist Party of Indonesia is the largest communist party in Asia...
the OP did make an post regarding Indonesia.....I think would quote it
You do need to remember that the KMT had a relatively good relationship with the Soviets...so there's that...
Looking back at the OTL killings of ethnic Chinese in Indonesians in the 60s (which is less than I thought) I pretty sure that the number of Chinese killed would not be changed even with the lack of association of the Chinese with communism...
and I would argue actually the main reason Chiang Kai Shek would have decided to have a good relationship with Sukarno while keeping a blind on the Indonesia communist..is because both of them had a shared agreement that a basic need of a nation is total territorial integrity (and in this regard I think that Indonesia would recognized Chinese sovereigneity on Tibet while China would recognize Indonesian sovereignty on West Papua)...and Chiang would probably be against the multiple seperatist uprisings in Indonesia in the late 1950s since a potential successful uprising could be setting a precedent for any potential indepedence movement in Tibet and Xinjiang.
Although I do now wonder that whether the agreement involving the aforemention Chinese investment on Indonesia in exchange for a fair treatment of the ethnic Chinese also included a clause where Indonesia would not at any circumstances claim the entirety of Borneo and actually support the formation of Malaysia and therefore butterflying away the Konfrontasi (more on that on the post-script), hence the earlier date of the formation of Malaysia...(btw...is there a similar agreement between the Chinese and the Phillipines in this regard?)
P/s: I do wonder what is the fate of Brunei...is it becoming a state of Malaysia ITTL due to a lack of meddling by the Indonesians, and perhaps due to some meddling by the KMT in some ways ...?
P/s: Looks like I forgot to press the post button and had been ninja'ed...but since there is a few questions in my reply I decided to post it anyway
China was actually pro-West Papuan independence after the coup, though support for the West Papuan separatists was never substantial and was abandoned by the 2000s.
The Konfrontasi goes pretty much the same as OTL.
Brunei remains independent and is on good terms with China (more so than Malaysia or Indonesia).
Is China still claiming the South China Sea and pissing off most of ASEAN ITTL? How about leveraging their economic might and power all over Asia like they do OTL? Is there a Belt and Road Initiative that is a little less incompetently run ITTL?
China is still pissing off ASEAN with its claims, particularly Vietnam, Malaysia, and the Philippines. And China is leveraging its economic might throughout most of Asia. As for the Belt and Road Initiative, there's something similar planned.
I've finally gotten around to starting a medieval TL. This does not mean that I've abandoned this one, and I expect to get to the 2008 election next month.
No matter what timeline, China still claims the South China Sea. I wonder if it would make the US to confront China.