沒有國民黨就沒有中國, Without the Kuomintang there would be no China, A Republic of China Story

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William_F

There was two mistakes on the chapter about Europe in the 1950s
Ernő Gerő was the leader of Hungary and not Poland.
Boleslaw Bierut was the leader of Poland and not Hungary.
 

William_F

CELTICEMPIRE said:
Saddam never rises to power, but Iraq justified the invasion by claiming that Kuwait was a product of imperialism.
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I had forgot that Saddam Hussein had not risen to power in this timeline.
So if Saddam Hussein never rose to power,who was the leader of Iraq that ordered the invasion of Kuwait in this timeline?
 

CELTICEMPIRE

Whiteshore said:
What is Iraq like under his rule, with how he would have been in his 70s when he invaded Kuwait? And on that note, what is the Islamist regime in Iran like? Something like the OTL Islamic Republic of Iran or more of a Shi'a version of Pakistan?
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More like OTL Islamic Republic of Iran, though less anti-American.
 
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panpiotr

CELTICEMPIRE said:
China in the late 1990s basked in its status as the undisputed number one power in Asia. Japan’s economic growth was slowing down. India was rising in power, but it still had a long way to go to truly be able to compete with China. The Russian and Belarussian Federal Republic (which everyone just called Russia) was trying to salvage its situation after the disastrous final decade of the Soviet Union. Chinese goods filled the shelves all around the world. Chinese celebrities found new popularity in foreign markets. Millions of foreigners would study Chinese, which seemed to be the language of the future. It was a time of great optimism. And China was ready to capitalize on its newfound power.

The collapse of Communism worldwide was nearly complete by the end of 1996. Both the Soviet Union and the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea fell that year. Mongolia was beginning its transition into a capitalist economy. Chinese businessmen sensed opportunity. New markets were open to Chinese goods and Chinese businesses. Mongolian leadership released, even before the fall of the Soviet Union, that it would need to maintain friendly relations with China if it wanted to remain independent. And that meant being open to Chinese business. Though some Mongolians got rich doing business with China, others were upset, claiming that China was exploiting the country for economic gain. This led to the formation of a Mongolian Eco-Fascist movement that sought to expel the Chinese and sought to reclaim parts or all of six Chinese provinces.

North Korea was another market opened up to China. North Korea desperately needed help, as the country was facing food shortages. It had traditionally relied on support from the Soviet Union, but the Soviet successor state of the RBFR was unable (and had no desire) to prop up the North Korean economy. South Korea, China, and the United States would provide the bulk of aid to North Korea. Chinese and South Korean businesses almost immediately began to move into the country. At first was uncertain whether North Korea would become more economically integrated with China or with South Korea. However, the people who ran the new North Korean government were nationalists intent on reunification with the South. Northern and Southern leaders signed a series of free trade agreements in the late 90s. There was also nearly complete freedom of movement between the North and South, something that did not exist between North Korea and China. While political integration was not a done deal, economic integration between the two Koreas was already underway.

China desired to have good relations with the post-Soviet states. Lien Chan hoped to make Central Asia part of a Chinese sphere of influence. He received criticism from ultra-nationalists for not pushing some of China’s historical claims in the former Soviet Union. The origins of the modern Chinese far-right (as opposed to Chen Lifu’s CC Clique that died with him in 2001) can be tied back to dissatisfaction with Chinese foreign policy in the 90s. China and the RBFR hoped to get an oil pipeline built between the two countries, and negotiations began in 1998 to get one built. However, domestic problems in Russia would postpone the pipeline’s construction. That same year, the ROC and the RBFR mutually agreed to removed tens of thousands of landmines on their shared borders.
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On the topic of how the future could look like, here is my take:

After the defeat of the USSR in the Cold War, people in the US will rejoice that the US is now undisputed superpower in the world, and the future belongs to democracy and globalization. Some may even proclaim that this the end of history, but they couldnt be more wrong.

USA will quickly realize that the Dragon has replaced the Bear on the international stage. China with its quick rise in industrial, economic, political and military power with immense potential growth will quickly become a number one geopolitical rival of USA.

In the last century, USA to achieve a global domination has defeated all contenders: Imperial Germany, Japanese Emipe, Nazi Germany and USSR in the end. But China will be the biggest challenge in American history as none of the previous contenders never had such economic and industrial potential as China. What is more, USA was never connected to their economies, as it is to China's, so they cannot simply put embargos on China, as it will hurt the American economy and the whole world as well.

In the long term, USA wont be able to maintain its economic domination over China for long. China will by the largest economy in the world by year 2020. Military domination could be maintained by a couple decades probably, but by 2040 China will be the new superpower with most powerful armed forces, and if they manage well, with economy comparable to US and EU combined.

Elites in both countries are well aware of this and will do anything to increase/preserve their position in the world. It will result in rising geopolitical tensions, new arms race, but also in a race to gain advantage in high-tech, space tech and exploration, development of artificial intelligence and so on.

The first chapter of the race for global domination between USA and China will be set in Russia, as both countries will try to draw Russia into their sphere of influence. USA will try to integrate Russia to US and EU ecomonies, just like China, as the Dragon needs cheap oil, coal, gas and other resources to fuel its evergrowing industry. Soon in Moscow representatives of USA and China will arive with suitcases full of money and gold to invest and bribe their way in Russia and to sway the Bear to its side. The side who manages to do it, will score a big geopolitical win.
 
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Gillan1220

panpiotr said:
On the topic of how the future could look like, here is my take:

After the defeat of the USSR in the Cold War, people in the US will rejoice that the US is now undisputed superpower in the world, and the future belongs to democracy and globalization. Some may even proclaim that this the end of history, but they couldnt be more wrong.

USA will quickly realize that the Dragon has replaced the Bear on the international stage. China with its quick rise in industrial, economic, political and military power with immense potential growth will quickly become a number one geopolitical rival of USA.

In the last century, USA to achieve a global domination has defeated all contenders: Imperial Germany, Japanese Emipe, Nazi Germany and USSR in the end. But China will be the biggest challenge in American history as none of the previous contenders never had such economic and industrial potential as China. What is more, USA was never connected to their economies, as it is to China's, so they cannot simply put embargos on China, as it will hurt the American economy and the whole world as well.

In the long term, USA wont be able to maintain its economic domination over China for long. China will by the largest economy in the world by year 2020. Military domination could be maintained by a couple decades probably, but by 2040 China will be the new superpower with most powerful armed forces, and if they manage well, with economy comparable to US and EU combined.

Elites in both countries are well aware of this and will do anything to increase/preserve their position in the world. It will result in rising geopolitical tensions, new arms race, but also in a race to gain advantage in high-tech, space tech and exploration, development of artificial intelligence and so on.

The first chapter of the race for global domination between USA and China will be set in Russia, as both countries will try to draw Russia into their sphere of influence. USA will try to integrate Russia to US and EU ecomonies, just like China, as the Dragon needs cheap oil, coal, gas and other resources to fuel its evergrowing industry. Soon in Moscow representatives of USA and China will arive with suitcases full of money and gold to invest and bribe their way in Russia and to sway the Bear to its side. The side who manages to do it, will score a big geopolitical win.
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Just like in OTL, the Dragon replaces the Bear.

A Sino-American Cold War would be inevitable.
 

CountDVB

panpiotr said:
On the topic of how the future could look like, here is my take:

After the defeat of the USSR in the Cold War, people in the US will rejoice that the US is now undisputed superpower in the world, and the future belongs to democracy and globalization. Some may even proclaim that this the end of history, but they couldnt be more wrong.

USA will quickly realize that the Dragon has replaced the Bear on the international stage. China with its quick rise in industrial, economic, political and military power with immense potential growth will quickly become a number one geopolitical rival of USA.

In the last century, USA to achieve a global domination has defeated all contenders: Imperial Germany, Japanese Emipe, Nazi Germany and USSR in the end. But China will be the biggest challenge in American history as none of the previous contenders never had such economic and industrial potential as China. What is more, USA was never connected to their economies, as it is to China's, so they cannot simply put embargos on China, as it will hurt the American economy and the whole world as well.

In the long term, USA wont be able to maintain its economic domination over China for long. China will by the largest economy in the world by year 2020. Military domination could be maintained by a couple decades probably, but by 2040 China will be the new superpower with most powerful armed forces, and if they manage well, with economy comparable to US and EU combined.

Elites in both countries are well aware of this and will do anything to increase/preserve their position in the world. It will result in rising geopolitical tensions, new arms race, but also in a race to gain advantage in high-tech, space tech and exploration, development of artificial intelligence and so on.

The first chapter of the race for global domination between USA and China will be set in Russia, as both countries will try to draw Russia into their sphere of influence. USA will try to integrate Russia to US and EU ecomonies, just like China, as the Dragon needs cheap oil, coal, gas and other resources to fuel its evergrowing industry. Soon in Moscow representatives of USA and China will arive with suitcases full of money and gold to invest and bribe their way in Russia and to sway the Bear to its side. The side who manages to do it, will score a big geopolitical win.
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Ehhh it depends. While I see a rivalry happening, I don't see China exceeding the US in being a superpower. China still has its disadvantages (like only 10% of its land being good enough to grow food if I remember correcly) and there's also the nations having to transition into the service economy and who could do it first. The legacy of the British Empire means alot of the stuff will still be Anglophonic to some level.

China may have a bit more of a difficult time adjusting to the new focus of service as the economy and I think the US will still have the advantge over in digital stuff. This China has not made the litany of mitakes like OTL China has. That said, they will still have their problems, issues and so on to deal with, especially with rising social movements and the like.
 
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