Ανοδος της Τραπεζούντας ( rise of Trebizond) v2.0

Kosta

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Sorry, but the Patriarch of Constantinople, nor Orthodox-Christianity itself, would declare a "war of reconquest" or anything that has to do with religion and war. It comes from a precedent set in the 900s when Nikiforos Fokas asked the current-Patriarch of his day to declare all soldiers who fought to retake Syria as martyrs, and the Patriarch replied they had done nothing at all saintlike to warrant a martyrdom.
 
Sorry, but the Patriarch of Constantinople, nor Orthodox-Christianity itself, would declare a "war of reconquest" or anything that has to do with religion and war. It comes from a precedent set in the 900s when Nikiforos Fokas asked the current-Patriarch of his day to declare all soldiers who fought to retake Syria as martyrs, and the Patriarch replied they had done nothing at all saintlike to warrant a martyrdom.


Alrght fine it is not a requonquest but it is retaking former lands that rightfully belong to you.;) Since Trebizond is the succesor to Rome they think they own The former Byzantine lands
 

Kosta

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Alrght fine it is not a requonquest but it is retaking former lands that rightfully belong to you.;) Since Trebizond is the succesor to Rome they think they own The former Byzantine lands

No you're missing the point completely; the Patriarch will not, nor could not due to Church internal-organisation (if so much as one bishop opposes a motion, it's null and void; Synods are unanimous) justify this war and create a bloody Eastern-Reconquista. Religion has to stay out of this one unless you're forsaking reality for fun, then by all means continue and ignore me.
 
No you're missing the point completely; the Patriarch will not, nor could not due to Church internal-organisation (if so much as one bishop opposes a motion, it's null and void; Synods are unanimous) justify this war and create a bloody Eastern-Reconquista. Religion has to stay out of this one unless you're forsaking reality for fun, then by all means continue and ignore me.

Srry I did not mean to ignore you, what I am saying is that I agree a rquonquest is ASB so, instead I will change it to just a declaration of war, meaning Trebiond wants to be the unquestioed master of Anatolia so, they will send ultimatum to the beyliks and beyliks who dont become vassals wll be destroyed, and this is what happened to those three sultanites. This is the change just ignore the requonquet which i completly agree is ASB It was a stupid mistake I maid in the tl.:eek:
 
Anyway Mr.X8 you are correct thus I have succesfully edited my previous post so here is the new chapter.:D

The Fall of the Anatolian beyliks

annexed to Trebizond. Update:

In the year 1430 war was raging across France. The war was the hundred years war. The Englishhad occupied most of France after their victory at Agincourt. However LouisXI was not deterred and fought fiercely the combined British-Burgundian onslaught.

David III became Emperor of Trebizond. He was a leader much like his father. However he had major troubles he had to face. The Sultanates of Karaman, Dulkadir, and Aydin were becoming annoyances to Trebizond. After launching guerilla raids they made David furious. He knew he needed a casus belli to attack the enemy. He decided he would just start a war based on reclaiming lost Byzantine territory. David met with Mehmet to discuss his ideas. Mehmet was a bit wary of the casus belli and was uncertain. However David was one could say extremely manipulative. He could have his way and make such an impression on people that they ended up agreeing with him. He could turn a bad situation to his advantage. Such was his skill that no one dared to revolt against him.

Mehmet and David came to an agreement. The Beautiful Maria Paleologai was a cousin of the Kommenians and the daughter of the Eparch of Constantinople. Mehmet had fallen in love with her after a meeting in the ball. David quickly agreed. Marya was one of the prettiest women in the east and she too fell for Mehmet’s charming looks and her father agreed to the marriage. So on Christmas day the marriage ceremony was held. With this alliance sealed Mehmet son rallied the Osmangulli army of 15000 troops. Along with the Trebizond and its possessions an army was created numbering 30000. The Sultanate of Eritrea gladly supported Trebizond due to Trebizond’s aid.
Another reason why Eritrea supported Trebizond was that by this time the sultan was effectively a puppet of Trebizond. SO with the Eritrea aid an army of 40000 was assembled. At its head were David, Mehmet, Nikephoros, and Konstantinios.On January 1431 Trebizond declared war on Karaman Aydin and Dulkadir. Soon an army of some 40k was raised for the conquest. Nikephoros would deal with Aydin, while David and Konstantinios dealt with Dulkadir and Mehmet would deal with Karaman. Now a cousin of Mehmet ruled Karaman, however relations were horrible, this sultan despised Mehmet and did everything to make Mehmet furious. Now Mehmet was out for revenge. The first conquest was Aydin. The bey of Aydin ruled over much of the Anatolian coast, soon an army of 13000 Trebizond troops led by Nikephoros invaded it. In a lightning campaign Aydin soon suffered crushing defeats to the superior Trebizond army and soon fell. Its royal family was killed of and Aydin was annexed into Trebizond. In a similar fashion the might of 20000 troops laid waste to Dulkadir. Dulkadir was allied with the Timurids but received no aid due to the ongoing civil war. Thus Dulkadir to met a bloody and brutal end. Finally Karaman remained and the army of 7000 Veteran Osmangulli under the brilliant leadership of Mehmet crushed the Sultan at Karaman, and soon Karaman was sacked and also became a proctorate of Trebizond.
 
Alright time to continue
No relegion



Pax Trebizond
The year is 1433 after David successful conquest of the Beyliks Trebizond now rule stretched from Van-the Balkans. Trebizond was making many innovations as its good leader David built roads, canals, transportation, eased taxes and accomplished many things. However one thing still troubled David. The French. The British had won at Agincourt and so they had occupied Paris. More than 2.3 o France was under British and Burundian control. David realized he needed to aid his ally. The royal navy of Trebizond soon gave transports and David lead an army of some 40k Trebizond soldier’s veteran of the Beylik wars. The Ottomans too joined the expedition with a force of 6000 under Mehmet. Soon the massive army sailed for France. The other three kings of Trebizond all contributed to this army. Thus a combine Trebizond force of 46000 arrived at Marseille under the Command of David a Mehmet.

At Marseille Louis XI met with David. The French army was exhausted but they had a new leader a girl named Joan d Arc. She was chief of the French army and so she had successfully taken Orleans. Soon the Trebizond Kingdom declared war on the Kingdom of England. The English under Henry V were stunned. Soon the combined Trebizond French army destroyed the English along various French towns. By 1445 the English lost many battles on land and soon the army advanced to Paris. At the bitter siege of Paris that lasted 1 year the English finally gave in and fell. Thus the English sued for peace and soon English lands remained at Normandy, and Crecy. The Burundians also sued for peace as they recognized Louis as the King of France.


After this victory David returned home a hero. Trebizond was now split into three kingdoms with David as Grand king but there was peace at last in the east.
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Reason for Trebizond Victory against Beyliks
1)Manpower
2)More resources
3) Better generals
4) Diciplined army
5) High morale
6) Better supply and planning
7) More advanced in tech
Reasons for Turkish beylik defeat
10)lacked resources
11: Had horrible armies
12: Ill equipped troops
13.Little to no supply train
14: Inept leaders.
Reason for British/Burgundian defeat:
1)Less troop
2. less resources
3. Overextention
4. Weak generals
5: King dies in battle
6) No coherent leadership
Reasons for Roman/French victory
1. Better morale
2. More resources
3. Knew the layout of land
4. Extremely skilled war genius
5. Better strategy
6. Better supply train
7. Not overextended
8. More troops
9. Archers of Trebizond use composite bows so the Longbowmen are not that useful
10. Better troop creation
So what do guys think
 
All right ladies and gentlemen after a long period of wait, I bring to you my revived tl. I hope you will continue to read it. After a while I have decided to come back and post on AH.com

The Great Roman wars with Hungary, Italians, and Poles
The year is 1446 and the Empire of Trebizond has become a major power once more.

On 1446 of July David proclaimed himself the new Emperor of the Romans. The Patriarch in the Hagia Sophia then crowned him. The Roman Empire that had once been driven to extinction had resurged once more.

Meanwhile the Sultan Mehmet would enjoy great prestige and influence over the Turkish parts of the empire.

Unfortunately in this period a great crisis overtook Trebizond. The Pope of Rome had always wanted a union between the two churches. The Paleologans accepted the deal and were going to embrace Roman Catholicism but now with David on the throne all bets were called off. The Patriarch George who was a supporter of the union was sacked and instead replaced with the Archbishop of Trebizond Photias who became Photias II the Patriarch of Constantinople. With this act David won the loyalty of his orthodox citizens who vehemently opposed the union from the beginning. Photias despised union beetween the two churches and so the populace favored the man for he supported independence from the evil and devil he called the pope. In 1447 David sent apologies to the Russian principalities informing them of the grave mistake the Paleologans made Under the Komenians he hoped relations would be restored. The Romans as he proclaimed would remain Orthodox and as felow followers of faith in troubled times both should help one another. He also began secret talks with the Russian duke of Moskow of a joint attack on the Crimean Khanate as well as the Khazars and the golden horde remnants. He hoped that in return for aiding the Rus the Rus would watch his back against the Poles and Hungarians. When the news reached the Russian principality that the Byzantines were once more orthodox relation re-assumed between the princes and Constantinople. Once more relations between the Rus and Romans boomed.

In Rome the pope was stunned at this revelation. It was said he seethed with rage. He had come so close to having the union achieved only to have it unraveled by those goddamm Trebizondians. He utterly and completely despised them and vowed to exact his revenge on those accursed schematics. Indeed for you see by the open acceptance of the Orthodox faith David may have won the support of the Rus principalities but he also incurred the wrath of Hungary which had grown powerful by this point. In 1449 the Hungarians and poles crossed the Danube inorder to reinstate a certain John Paleologos on the throne. For although most of the Paleologans accepted Komnenian suzerainty a branch had gone into asylum in Hungary.. Meanwhile at sea Venice and Genoa soon raided the Roman coastal cities provoking war joining the Hungarians for you see to them the Greeks had gotten too powerful and needed to be taken a step down to protect their interests in the med sea.. David was stunned the Hungarians had invaded the Balkans with the blessings of the Pope of Rome who had sent a note to the King of Hungary praising him to be the most pious and just man in Christendom!!! This justified to David that all hope for reconciliation with Rome had ended. Never again would both sides discuss an ecunimical meeting of union.


Maybe a couple decades ago the Empire would have lost but now with Anatolia and the Balkans under his control. Michael soon mobilized his troops in the Balkans and with an army of some 12000 marched to halt the Hungaro-polis-Italian alliance. In this turmoil Napoli also declared war upon Trebizond eager to sack the Balkan provinces. David now faced a multi fronted war against many enemies who enjoyed naval and land superiority over his men. The odds were completely stacked against the Romans. However David had one advantage over the other kings. He had competent generals and a disciplined and powerful army.

In 1450 Michaels army won a decisive victory against the Hungaro Polish force of some 20000. At the battle in a little town a few miles from Sophia, Michael utterly and completely crushed the enemy’s armies. The Kings of Hungary Poland, and countless Hungarian and Polish nobility lost their lives. The blow stunned Hungary and with the loss of its king soon sued for peace.

By this point the Genoese colony across from Constantinople had fallen and was looted by David. In fact because the Italians declared war David ordered the immediate seizure of all property owned by the latin merchants and said property would be given to the crown. The Genoese colony across the horn was looted and sacked. Likewise hundreds of merchants lost their jobs and livelihood. In outrage the Venezians enacted an embargo upon the Greek state. But at the encouragement of David many in the empire started to produce their own clothes, food, water, and extract resources for themselves they also relied more heavily upon the silk road and so by trading with eastern merchants the Roman economy was saved.

[FONT=&quot]David next did the unthinkable. He prevented foreign merchants from crossing Anatolia. In fact the foreign merchants instead sold the good to Trebizond and the empire and everyone else but encouraged them not to continue onto Europe This would be a terrible blow to the Italian city states who depended upon trade. Cut off from the Silk Road Venice watched helplessly as her economy went down the drain. Likewise Genoa’s economy also fell. It was a complete and utter disaster. Also by this point Athens had fallen to David. The last latin state was crushed. Only the islands remained outside Roman control. Anger from many European states also convinced the Italians to sue for peace for the embargo not only hurt the Italians but the rest of Europe as well. The Venezians sued for peace and in the treaty of Constantinople signed in 1450. Venice annulled all previous trade treaties with the Roman Empire. Likewise the Genoese too had to face the same conditions. With peace restored the Silk trade once more was allowed to pass into Europe.[/FONT]
 
No you're missing the point completely; the Patriarch will not, nor could not due to Church internal-organisation (if so much as one bishop opposes a motion, it's null and void; Synods are unanimous) justify this war and create a bloody Eastern-Reconquista. Religion has to stay out of this one unless you're forsaking reality for fun, then by all means continue and ignore me.

Kosta,If Anatolia has your christian people under muslim rule, is not the church going to support a war of liberation? Wholeheartedly as precedent shows...
 
:confused:Bumpity, should i continue

Continue ,because you can only get better;however,your last update was ASB! have you ever thought how many ships you would need for the transfer of 46000 troops and about 30000 horses?
Have you ever thought how many ships you would need to transfer equipment and reserve consumables?(arrows,lances,axes,horse equipment etc)? how many ships could be lost in such a distance in such turbulent sea as the Mediterranean?where was the resupply port in mid-distance?how many ships you would need to carry food and fodder?

I am only trying to say that the operation is impossible.and:what have the Byzantines to gain from such a campaign that would cost two kingdoms like Trebizond?
 
Continue ,because you can only get better;however,your last update was ASB! have you ever thought how many ships you would need for the transfer of 46000 troops and about 30000 horses?
Have you ever thought how many ships you would need to transfer equipment and reserve consumables?(arrows,lances,axes,horse equipment etc)? how many ships could be lost in such a distance in such turbulent sea as the Mediterranean?where was the resupply port in mid-distance?how many ships you would need to carry food and fodder?

I am only trying to say that the operation is impossible.and:what have the Byzantines to gain from such a campaign that would cost two kingdoms like Trebizond?

I agree sorry for late reply well this thread is ASB and it has gone off the deep end... Sorry didnt reply earlier... will be working on a new tl cause for this one its old and is basically dead.....
 
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