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  1. Es Geloybte Aretz Continuation Thread

    Some. Others read the Odyssee, the Iliad, theater.

  2. Es Geloybte Aretz Continuation Thread

    Well, Dutch Gymnasium routinely teaches Dutch plus English, French, German, Latin, and Ancient Greek. Of course noone gets conversational in Latin and Greek, and the levels of German and French are always open to debate (and dependent on where; I live near the German border so German gets more...

  3. WI: French victory at Ramillies, Marlborough dies on the field

    He also determined the Dutch grand strategy, to some extent, because that was THE Dutch Army (of course for Blenheim it was split, between Marlborough and his recommendation for Dutch commander, Overkirk). And he was William's Ambassador-Extraordinary for the second Grand Alliance. In 1709...

  4. REDUX: Place In The Sun: What If Italy Joined The Central Powers?

    Will it, though? In the grand scheme of things, plenty of riots get suppressed brutally - and Paris has had more than its fair share. Yet how many non-history-inclined remember the Paris Commune? The revolution that follows, sure, they'll remember. But the spark that lit the fuse? I mean, even...

  5. WI: French victory at Ramillies, Marlborough dies on the field

    Of course he also filled half those roles for the Dutch republic, sometimes unwillingly (for the Dutch). With him removed sooner, the Republic will need to kick itself into gear rather than be scrambling when his removal and British drop-out were basically simultaneous. It might lead to the quip...

  6. Wars that could have had a second round

    Not sure how it would work though - after Indonesian independence the Netherlands lost most ability to deploy troops in the archipelago. A handful in Papua, sure, but the numbers deployed in the 40's? No way. So it wouldn't be much of a war.

  7. Rome collapses in the Year of the Four Emperors

    I would agree with the other posters - It took a century or more of Roman neighbours getting stronger, making inroads as foederati or raiders, expanding their influence, and THEN conquering huge swathes of the Empire (and even then the Empire didn't get mortally wounded until the...

  8. REDUX: Place In The Sun: What If Italy Joined The Central Powers?

    Sure, but that's about their opinion of theirown government. Hardly the same topic as their opinion about the British. That said I agree having foreigners come to police the mutineers would look terrible for the French government.

  9. REDUX: Place In The Sun: What If Italy Joined The Central Powers?

    In OTL WW2 the Brits blew up a French fleet and invaded (with the Americans) French North Africa. And while the French grumpiness about the 'Anglos' certainly wasn't irrelevant, it also wasn't that bad.

  10. Es Geloybte Aretz Continuation Thread

    I was thinking about Indonesia, since it's not mentioned as settled - could the Dutch drive it into a 'Francafrique' direction, where (apart from Java with maybe half of Sumatra) various smaller states are essentially subsidiaries of the Dutch government, even as they are also independent? That...

  11. REDUX: Place In The Sun: What If Italy Joined The Central Powers?

    I imagine it'll be somesort of British-German wheeling and dealing until a suitably reformed-but-not-communist French Republic is declared that's more trouble to destroy than to leave around. Because I agree Germany, Britain, and Italy all won't want a communist France - and the current war is...

  12. REDUX: Place In The Sun: What If Italy Joined The Central Powers?

    The blockade OTL got much more ironclad after America started to squeeze at the source. ITTL they won't, so the Netherlands and Scandinavia will have much easier world-wide trade relations. Nowhere near pre-war, because there IS a blockade, but much better than OTL after the American DoW.

  13. REDUX: Place In The Sun: What If Italy Joined The Central Powers?

    Nice (pun intended) update. And good to see what happens when competent commanders respond to the crises on the battlefield in ways that make perfect sense - for once. Of course it helps that Cordonnier and Giraldi both have sensible options.

  14. REDUX: Place In The Sun: What If Italy Joined The Central Powers?

    As Bismarck rightly noted, that ship sailed when the USA succeeded. Or maybe when Napoleon failed. Either way, I don't see it as a real possibility in the early 20th century. You need a different early 19th century (or, of course, even earlier).

  15. Es Geloybte Aretz Continuation Thread

    On the other hand, Dutch pride did survive total dependence on Britain in the colonies, so I wouldn't be surprised if some kind of balanced position like that feels kinda alright. Depend on Germany at home, on Britain in the Indies, and on the Navy to keep them connected, while vehemently...

  16. Es Geloybte Aretz Continuation Thread

    300 million tons ship on the Rhine each year, of which 200 million in Germany (the rest travels somewhere between Rotterdam and the German border, or uses the IJssel for Dutch-only travel) Just 45 million tons of goods go over the entire Dutch railway network per year. And 700 million over the...

  17. 1873 Ottoman-Dutch War over Aceh

    The Dutch sources say that's what kicked it off. Obviously the Anglo-Dutch Sumatra treaty was crucial too, but the attack in 1873 also used piracy (and the need to act on piracy to prevent British interference) as a casus belli.

  18. 1873 Ottoman-Dutch War over Aceh

    So far as I understand the history, the Aceh war was started because piracy based in Aceh annoyed the British and Dutch shippers. The Dutch had nominal rights so were the ones to act (and quickly suppressed some piracy, enough to keep their rights). If the Dutch fail utterly, e.g. due to Ottoman...

  19. What are some Pre-1900 real world historical events that would seem ASB and highly unrealistic in any other timeline?

    Given how many Steppe empires and naval hegemonies the world has seen, you seem to have a wide scope for ASB. Sure, the British and Mongolian empires were by far the most succesful of their kind, but there's bound to be a most-succesful of every type of Empire. Steppe Empires: Xiongnu, Huns, to...

  20. Charles V and Religious Divisions within the Empire

    If any emperor had a say over what happened in the Catholic Church, it was Charles V... he got his buddy on the papal throne by capturing Rome, after all. But then, he was also far too busy fighting France, which seems to have delayed something like the Council of Trent for a few decades. If it...
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