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  1. Polish air force alternatives, 1935-40?

    The Polish Air Force did order a number of Hurricanes but they were not delivered before the German invasion so were diverted to Turkey instead. Not sure how many but it might be worth investigating further. If the order had been placed 6 months earlier they would have been in service to meet...

  2. A Brighter August 1940 - BoB What ifs

    Yep, that's my understanding too.

  3. A Brighter August 1940 - BoB What ifs

    Yes, the Fog of War indeed. However what I will say is that the Luftwaffe was attacking Ford and 602 was sent to intercept. From Urie's combat report it states that when they arrived there appeared to be no enemy fighters in the vicinity. Urie attacked several Ju87s and, once his ammunition...

  4. A Brighter August 1940 - BoB What ifs

    From the aircraft maintenance records (Primarily Form 78) Spitfire I X4110 – First Flown on 7-8-40. Sent to 9MU (Storage) on 9-8-40. Issued to 602 Squadron on 16-8-40. Shot down by Bf109 over the Solent on 18-8-40. Cunliffe-Owen Aircraft Ltd. carried out inspection and the aircraft was struck...

  5. A Brighter August 1940 - BoB What ifs

    Brilliant thanks 😊

  6. A Brighter August 1940 - BoB What ifs

    For the pilots I don't think training time would be affected, they would still be able to practice takeoff, flying and landing in most weather conditions. However, when I get a clearer picture of all pilots I can look at how long each course with the OTUs was and see if there is an effect. I...

  7. A Brighter August 1940 - BoB What ifs

    Do you have the serial number for this aircraft?

  8. A Brighter August 1940 - BoB What ifs

    I guess this leaves a lot of questions open... For instance, how influential could the pilot situation have become, after all there was no ready reserve in the same way that there was available for aircraft? Or Under Dowding's Stabilisation Scheme there were only four full squadrons made...

  9. A Brighter August 1940 - BoB What ifs

    Yes... or something like... but there's a whole heap more to do before I, or anyone else, can come to any realistic conclusions. The hardest part will be trying to get into the minds of the likes of Dowding and Park to determine what solutions and decisions they might make to solve the problems...

  10. A Brighter August 1940 - BoB What ifs

    I apologise for the massive delay in this reply, it's taken long time to analyse the data involved. I also apologise for this lengthy post, I quite often use ten words where one would do, but that's just me. After analysis of the gathered data the following was true of the aircraft numbers in...

  11. What if World War 2 never ended? (In Europe)

    You could technically say that the cold War was an extension of WW2... just make it go hot prior to Soviet nukes, maybe the Western Allies don't develop nukes as well as the POD.

  12. No Unspeakable Sea Mammal, but RAFairfield attacks continue

    The orders were to attack the RAF not just the Fighter stations. The earlier attacks started at the coast and worked inwards towards London, hence FAA and Coastal Command stations being attacked. As the attacks progressed the emphasis turned more and more towards the bases that had Fighter...

  13. No Unspeakable Sea Mammal, but RAFairfield attacks continue

    The name airfield attacks is a bit of a red herring, the German aim was to attack the RAF... so airfields are part of that strategy. In general the main effect was a dislocation of infrastructure that put an added strain on an already stretched defence system. It was a fine balance between...

  14. No Unspeakable Sea Mammal, but RAFairfield attacks continue

    Not quite nothing, the main Hurricane and Spitfire production facilities are there. Then you have the airfields north of London. North Weald, Debden and Duxford (and satellite fields are all within escorted bomber range). They were attacked half a dozen times OTL with a handful of aborted...

  15. No Unspeakable Sea Mammal, but RAFairfield attacks continue

    Unfortunately I think you've misinterpreted the point I was making. There were nine sectors heavily involved in the fighting in SE England with between 27-30 squadrons. The logistics and more importantly communications network wouldn't allow more than 3 squadrons to be effectively controlled by...

  16. No Unspeakable Sea Mammal, but RAFairfield attacks continue

    Just a few thoughts... Hitler did not order attacks on London, Hitler approved attacks on London after Goering asked if they were allowed to move to the next phase of attacks on commerce, ports and transport infrastructure. Luftwaffe pilots and crews were not as seriously pushed as you'd...

  17. A Brighter August 1940 - BoB What ifs

    I'm open to discussion and knowledge sharing if you have more info or thoughts, after all that's why I started this thread. You never know we might not actually be that far apart in our conclusions.

  18. A Brighter August 1940 - BoB What ifs

    Yes and no, typically British losses involved just the pilot, occasionally other crew so it would be easier to equate killed/missing/injured pilots to airframe losses. But German crew losses were not so easy to determine from airframe losses without knowing what types of aircraft they relate to...

  19. A Brighter August 1940 - BoB What ifs

    Absolutely not, but it's incredibly difficult to quantify. Bomber sorties are longer by their very nature but in the main the bomber force was so large in comparison to the daily usage that it might only mean an extra 10 hours per airframe. The Luftwaffe also utilised their pilots differently...

  20. A Brighter August 1940 - BoB What ifs

    I guess it’s time to address a few of the perpetual myths that seem to crop up regarding the BoB. Sorry if this is a bit ‘wordy’ I’ve tried to cover as much as possible. I’ve tried to respond to specific comments and those are in bold/Italic text. I’m pretty sure there are going to be bits...
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