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  1. Operation Unthinkable in Mid-April 1945 - Germany/US/UK coming together

    Interesting comments. It is all about timing. 1945: a new war going in, this time against a former ally - USSR - would not be very popular. UK was not in a good shape. rations and universal misery really. US did have plenty of resources 1948: Berlin blockade: Maybe one of the instances...

  2. Operation Unthinkable in Mid-April 1945 - Germany/US/UK coming together

    Not convinced with an earlier time line. 1944 still saw US/UK being 'good friends' with USSR (Stalin). April 1945 was different. USSR had installed its puppet government in Poland (the 'reason' for going to war) and shown its hand in settling Eastern Europe. Tension was indeed building. Could...

  3. Operation Unthinkable in Mid-April 1945 - Germany/US/UK coming together

    LOL - no, i don't 'hate' Churchill. He was probably one of the most ruthless leaders but rather realistic. It was not his idea with 'unconditional surrender' and there were rumblings (Bennet's book on Canaris) that Churchill could be moved on that account. No, Hitler would have to go...

  4. Operation Unthinkable in Mid-April 1945 - Germany/US/UK coming together

    All, Please don’t condemn this one to the ABS section – although it might be slightly ‘left field’. Hitler and his close entourage in the last days hoped for a fall-out between US/UK and USSR, saving nazi-Germany. In the light of reality, it was far-fetched and not aligned with much military...

  5. Peace in our time - 1941 or 1943?

    1940 was not 1944 or 1945 What the book also claims is that the realisation that it was going to be a long and very costly war was starting to sink in. Maybe the governing elite feared for the british empire. ... and 'victory' was not guaranteed in1940 or '41. crazy schemes? compare to a...

  6. Peace in our time - 1941 or 1943?

    Churchill was (apparently) also looking at the cost of a prolonged war if the US did not enter. The cost might have been too high to the British empire. These were (again apparently) considerations in 1941/42. Therefore not linked to any 'panic' after the fall of France. Even with US in the...

  7. Peace in our time - 1941 or 1943?

    That is the 'sticky' point. Could US/UK accept a Hitler still in power? highly unlikely, but perhaps not total BS? If we overlook the rather pedestrian coups against Hitler and US/UK look at Germany not equal to Hitler, and Hitler not = Germany, there could have been rom for something...

  8. Peace in our time - 1941 or 1943?

    All of it noted. That is also why it is a fascinating read. The book has some intriguing insights into the movements of the key players. It also claims that Hitler was fully aware and might have initiated such peace feelers. Same with Churchill. On the UK side, the incentive could be...

  9. Peace in our time - 1941 or 1943?

    All, I am busy reading ‘Hitler’s spy chief’ by Richard Bassett. I think there is plenty of evidence that Canaris tried his level best in establishing peace feelers towards the UK. As he was an ardent anti-communist probably also helped. It has some interesting aspects: Did ‘C’ (Menzies) meet...

  10. Battle of Britain - Big Wing - opinions

    Park was not against big wings. He pointed out (often) that the time to set it up was too long for 11 group. If the targets were somewhere else, big wings could work. BUT - as park pointed out - it would be better to hit the bombers BEFORE they dropped the bombs, rather than later (where it...

  11. No F-104 Starfighter for Europe! Alternate designs instead.

    classifying F1-5 as a 'figther' was a bit of a stretch. It was massive, internal bomb bay, etc. not what you expect of a 'fighter' F104 was pressed into servicing a lot of roles. one of the top ones was (later in the day) to fly fast and low and deliver a nuclear bomb. That it did well in...

  12. No F-104 Starfighter for Europe! Alternate designs instead.

    I have heard the story that the German F104 pilots were very 'aggressive'. They (apparently) wanted to prove that they were great and should never have been defeated in WWII (which was after all recent).

  13. What's the latest possible POD for Denmark-Norway to be the dominant power in Scandinavia?

    I think the last sentence of Arctic is the key: "Any inter-Scandinavian Conflict would be dependant upon Great Powers not having an interest in area." The Baltic was important, but Denmark was not a player anymore; hence it depended on the Powers.

  14. What's the latest possible POD for Denmark-Norway to be the dominant power in Scandinavia?

    I somehow think we need to go further back. Christian IV got into the 30-year war. Not a great idea. In essence: Denmark was too small to make a great impact and got bankrupted instead. It was at this junction Sweden got to flex its muscles and outsmart (and conquer) Denmark. it is hard to...

  15. A better High Seas Fleet for WW1

    It might be possible to assume that if HSF could knock out all those British BC/BB/destroyers, they could have sustained some damage as well. ... and that Germany couild not afford as RN was just so much bigger ... hence my suggestion: look at something smaller and different. PS: jellicoe was...

  16. A better High Seas Fleet for WW1

    even with the BC force being destroyed, would it even have been a strategic victory for Germany? The blockade would still be enforced. RN was still the biggest in the world.

  17. A better High Seas Fleet for WW1

    Allow me to indulge in this discussion again. If we focus on having bigger 'Jutland' with the same result: British strategic victory, it really would not matter what else we equip the HSF with. I would believe that the objective should be to limit the transfer of troops and equipment from UK...

  18. A better High Seas Fleet for WW1

    I am not insulting anybody, least the admirals. It was an honest comment in terms of coming to terms with something new and sometimes un-tried. Nothing wrong in that. If we look at a 'swarm' of e-boats and a 'swarm' of submarines focused on limiting transfer of troops and stores from Britain...

  19. A better High Seas Fleet for WW1

    that was also what i thought i have read somewhere. wonder how it would have panned out?

  20. A better High Seas Fleet for WW1

    The OP is looking for something else than the usual BB/BC discussion. It somehow leads me into thinking that the submarine could be a different element. 'Swarms' of submarines could be stationed at the critical naval bases. This, i believe, was what the admirals feared. rather than focusing...
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