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  1. Dread Nought but the Fury of the Seas

    Pretty sure the Foreign Office expects it, since IIRC the US was specifically exempted from the Two-Power standard around 1900-1910.
  2. Dread Nought but the Fury of the Seas

    So the British are going ahead with new 18" battleships? I wonder if any naval treaty will now have each of the big three navies getting a couple of 18" ships each. On the other hand, will they start developing 19" or 20" guns to leapfrog the British?
  3. Dread Nought but the Fury of the Seas

    Agree that scouting forces don't run around at 30 knots all the time, but if they can't do 30 knots they risk getting run down by opponents that can. The US light carriers could do 30 knots and were expected to operate with the fleet carriers. The British light fleet carriers were intended for...
  4. Dread Nought but the Fury of the Seas

    As you point out, carriers slower than 30 knots do have their uses. The US built over a hundred CVEs during WW2 and none of them got anywhere near 30 knots (even if the ones in Taffy 3 devoutly wished they could go that fast on 25 Oct 44). Their main drawback and the reason that the US didn't...
  5. Dread Nought but the Fury of the Seas

    What I was trying to get at is that I don't think the French every really contemplated trying to fight a Pacific war. They would definitely have zero chance against the British or the US, and while the IJN was smaller, it was still much bigger than the Marine Nationale. I expect they put it into...
  6. Dread Nought but the Fury of the Seas

    Minor quibble, the Japanese carrier Kaga was a converted Tosa class battleship, not a battlecruiser. IIRC they had intended to use Akagi's sister ship Amagi, but Amagi's hull was too badly damaged by the Great Kanto earthquake on 1 Sep 23. The conversion still yielded a carrier with about 28...
  7. Dread Nought but the Fury of the Seas

    Not every navy needed carriers. Arguably the Germans and Italians really didn't, because most (Italy) or all (Germany) of their naval ambitions were inside the range of land based air. Granted, ensuring the air force paid attention to naval needs could be difficult. The French were borderline...
  8. Dread Nought but the Fury of the Seas

    Interesting question, how much of the machinery and equipment could be salvaged for installation in a new hull designed to produce 25-28 knots? They might be able to finish Bearn as a carrier and use the engines and boilers for the other four to produce two better carriers later on, after they...
  9. Dread Nought but the Fury of the Seas

    I agree that 28 knots is the minimum for good carriers, but the CVEs certainly gave decent service at much less than 28 knots. HMS Hermes couldn't do 28 knots either. The real problem with Bearn was that as a small one of a kind, it couldn't do much and the French didn't really try to do that...
  10. Dread Nought but the Fury of the Seas

    One quibble, very few ASMs are intended to attack large armored targets. The Soviet and Chinese heavy ASMs are intended to damage 90,000-100,000 ton super carriers. The intended target of just about all of the others is a destroyer, frigate, or corvette from 500-10,000 tons with little or no...
  11. Dread Nought but the Fury of the Seas

    The biggest probably is the Chinese DF-21 anti-carrier ballistic missile. ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DF-21#DF-21D The next biggest were the Soviet anti-carrier missiles like the SS-N-12 Sandbox or the SS-N-19 Shipwreck, some of which the Russian Navy is still using These are probably the...
  12. Dread Nought but the Fury of the Seas

    I agree, if fast battleships are 26-27 knots, Rodney is a faster battleship. However, because it doesn't have that 3-5 knot superiority over the battleships, it should not be considered a battlecruiser anymore, it can't really perform that role. IMHO ships should be classified by the role they...
  13. Dread Nought but the Fury of the Seas

    I think this is the crux of the discussion. Do fleets keep battlecruisers as a separate type comprising the fast wing or squadron of the battlefleet or do they just try to build only fast battleships in the future? At this point, it looks like the definition of a battlecruiser is a capital ship...
  14. Dread Nought but the Fury of the Seas

    At present ITTL nobody has any 18" gunned ships under construction. Given that the only extant 18" ship (Furious) has only 6 guns, I think it is at least possible that the US and Japanese might agree to a single British ship 18" ship. In OTL, the US had the Colorados (four ships, three...
  15. Dread Nought but the Fury of the Seas

    Why not? This is actually where a naval treaty could be useful, one that limited the maximum size of a capital ship to say 45,000-48,000 tons and 16" guns. They just need to include some sort of verification provisions, as simple as a visit to each ship every 2-3 years to measure the gun size...
  16. Dread Nought but the Fury of the Seas

    Yes, and they didn't do much for Yamato either, although IIRC I think they did impress the US planes that sank her in Ten-Go.
  17. Dread Nought but the Fury of the Seas

    These are all decent points, and I wonder if the way to finesse them is cross training? The ship deploys with gun crews sufficient for 4 of 5 main battery turrets and half the secondaries. If the Captain thinks that he might need all of the secondaries, he can designate one turret crew to...
  18. Dread Nought but the Fury of the Seas

    Agreed, the real casualty of the two oceans was the US Army. The realization that the Navy was the first line of defense was why the army tended to get so neglected. In addition, despite the growing mechanization of war, the national tradition was still one of quickly raised armies (civil war...
  19. Dread Nought but the Fury of the Seas

    I think there may well be an Air Force formed in peacetime, although it may take a while. The basic issue is that the strategic bomber advocates need too much money. If they keep the RAF as the RFC inside the army the way the US kept the Army Air Corps which became the Army Air Forces inside the...
  20. Dread Nought but the Fury of the Seas

    Thinking about it is there any chance that the British (or anyone else ITTL) could wind up with a fully air integrated military? What I mean is a Navy with its own air arm like the OTL USN and IJN, and apparently the RN ITTL. In addition, there would be an army like the OTL USMC with its own...
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