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  1. What does this forum think of Kissinger?

    Political Chat subject. Can't go to Chat because of the poll. Locked.
  2. Worst Pearl Harbor for the US?

    The term "damaged" covers so much ground that it is hard to say. Some may be usable with a bit of patching, other may have a control surface missing. I suspect that a number would be usable within a day or two, but not many in time for a 3rd strike.
  3. Worst Pearl Harbor for the US?

    Post attack the generally accepted number of fighters capable of operation was: 16 P-36A 25 P-40B 2 P-40C for a total of 43 fighter ready for "scramble". An additional 49 fighters fell into the "damaged/not ready for combat" category. It is possible that some of these might be capable...
  4. WI: USN encounters IJN on 6th Dec. '41?

    Something that is being missed in this discussion regarding an actual engagement. Assuming the seas are so bad that the Japanese can't launch aircraft they simply leave. They are a 28 knots force (actually, except for Kaga, they are a 32+ knot force) being engaged by a 20 knot force. If an...
  5. Worst Pearl Harbor for the US?

    To a degree, but there is also the AAA that was very serious threat. Every gun would be manned and even the guns of the fleet on damaged ships are located where they would be able to engage any attackers on the oil tank farm (here's a random thought, bombers miss, but a 5"/25 shell hits a tank...
  6. What if Mobutu and Park Chung-Hee took the other's approach to governing?

    Stuffing this corpse back into the ground and issuing an Official Warning for a not so interesting idea. Don't necro.
  7. Worst Pearl Harbor for the US?

    Actual losses, not including aircraft pushed overboard as beyond repair, for the 2nd wave came in at 11.7% (20 out of 171). A third wave would have arrived no less than 2 hours after the second wave withdrew, more likely three+ hours. 10% might be overly optimistic, 15%, perhaps slightly...
  8. Worst Pearl Harbor for the US?

    Not to mention the fact that several of the battleships are still capable of firing, even if immobilized. Maryland is actually capable of sortie, albeit in a damaged condition due to a near miss. Tennessee, despite damage to her No.2 Turret and a dud that disabled on gun in the No. 3 turret...
  9. Worst Pearl Harbor for the US?

    A group of separate tanks, individually bermed, covering 1.5 SQUARE MILES. Soft? Maybe. Easy? not so much. A search like that is also a specific violation of Yamamoto's and General Staff's orders. Any search as to be limited to within 50 miles Oahu (I posted the instructions earlier in this...
  10. Worst Pearl Harbor for the US?

    The tank farm is, and I will say it again, an IMPOSSIBLE target to completely destroy. Can not be done, not with the forces available. Each tank was separately bermed but they were, not as a defensive measure but nonetheless effectively located in such a manner that a successful attack on one...
  11. Can Communism Work?

    This is a clearly political Chat thread. Since it has a poll it can not be moved. Locked.
  12. Worst Pearl Harbor for the US?

    No. As was the Japanese had to wait for Zuikaku and Shokaku to shake down before they could have the minimum forces needed to enact their plan. The Japanese could throw a few more light carriers into the mix, but nowhere near enough to alter the math, combined they could add around 30 B4Y1/B5N...
  13. Worst Pearl Harbor for the US?

    That is also the close to impossible target. Each tank was separately bermed and was reasonably spaced. They could be hit, but as was noted earlier, we are talking bunker fuel, that about a half step over the tar they use on roads. It will burn, rather robustly and with huge amounts of...
  14. WI: USN encounters IJN on 6th Dec. '41?

    Nagumo would have attacked, per his operational orders. From Post war interviews/investigation by the USSBB/Pacific
  15. Worst Pearl Harbor for the US?

    No. Type 95 Mod 2 21"/533mm torpedoes. The 24"/610mm Type 93, aka "Long Lance" was a surface warship weapon. The British came up with the only practical way, at least until the Grand Slam. Sail a ship packed with explosives into the gates and blow it the hell up. Crude, but effective.:D
  16. Worst Pearl Harbor for the US?

    The caisson is the critical element of a shore based dock, followed by the doors of a floating dock. The only way to get them in a practical manner at the time was with torpedoes. The Japanese tried to get the No. 1 dock, where USS Pennsylvania and two DD were already located, with a number...
  17. Worst Pearl Harbor for the US?

    The Picket, for on thing, wasn't set up heavily to the southwest, the direction that the Enterprise as going to be returning from (Wake). It was focused around the Harbor and its approaches, and between Oahu and the Kido Butai to act as picket/plane guard. The elements that were to the southwest...
  18. Worst Pearl Harbor for the US?

    Worst case is around 18 hours of warning. Kimmel would sortie, likely lose one or two heavies to the IJN submarine picket line, and get caught in the open sea by overwhelming Japanese airpower. There is also the potential for at least Enterprise to come roaring back from the ferry mission to...
  19. Consequences of Israel Outright Losing a war

    They did. F4 Phantoms with buddy stores. One way mission, 14-16 aircraft, two with weapons, rest with fuel. Round trip they can get to Sevastopol, maybe Kiev. In 1973 the Soviets were ready to put 7 divisions into Syria and Egypt, they had already sent out the frag orders, had the birds on...
  20. Consequences of Israel Outright Losing a war

    Depends on the war. 1948? Israel never properly exists and is a footnote of the end of WW II/Holocaust/refugee CF. 1956? Not going to happen, unless the British and French are also defeated, which seems unlikely at best. 1967? They're in the Sea. Its doubtful the U.S. could react in...
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