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  1. Japanese sink US carriers at Pearl Harbor, what next?

    So send the SS force a MINIMUM of 13,000 miles, one way (assuming they deploy from the Marshalls, add 2,500 miles from Japan) a 52 DAY trip at an average of 10 knots, assuming all surface travel, no breakdowns or extended submergence, and including a trip around the Horn (going across the IO and...
  2. Japanese sink US carriers at Pearl Harbor, what next?

    One of the more often repeated myths is that the channel could be blocked by a single ship. Not the case. The channel had a usable width of 400 yards with an undredged depth of 35 feet, even on the margins.
  3. Japanese sink US carriers at Pearl Harbor, what next?

    Maybe. IJN lower ranks were not generally renowned for disobedience, but maybe. The order outlining the target priorities and likely enemy forces were issued on November 23, three days (realistically two, since the fleet left port at 06:00 local) prior to departure.
  4. Japanese sink US carriers at Pearl Harbor, what next?

    Maybe the pilots would ignore orders. Japanese personnel weren't exactly renowned for independent initiative at the lower ranks, but maybe they would. The order list potential targets and attack order was issued 11/23/41, three days before sailing.
  5. Japanese sink US carriers at Pearl Harbor, what next?

    Maybe the pilots would ignore orders. Japanese personnel weren't exactly renowned for independent initiative at the lower ranks, but maybe they would. The order list potential targets and attack order was issued 11/23/41, three days before sailing.
  6. If the Nazis won would they have been able to accomplish Generalplan Ost?

    Only way would be mass graves dug by the same slave labor force, or into pits created in the demolition process. Burning would require too much fuel.
  7. If the Nazis won would they have been able to accomplish Generalplan Ost?

    There was no specific mention of them in anything I've read, either way. You could see them being used to hunt down escaped Slavs from work details, but I can't say 100% either way.
  8. If the Nazis won would they have been able to accomplish Generalplan Ost?

    It makes sense in 1941, 1942, and 1943 since the places still exist AT THAT TIME. They wouldn't disappear from a map, especially a military map until they were replaced. By 1943 very few people, even inside Hitler's Inner Circle were discussing the A-A Line or where they would hold the Soviet's...
  9. If the Nazis won would they have been able to accomplish Generalplan Ost?

    Oh they used the city names (especially in a 1943 document when reality had arrived in parts of the Reich military's leadership). Doesn't mean they intended to have the structures still there. They even planned to have a Reichskommissariat Moskowien, although the plan was to change the spelling...
  10. If the Nazis won would they have been able to accomplish Generalplan Ost?

    Malum in se is a Latin legal term. In law it refers to a crime that is culturally and generally accepted as wrong because the violate moral standards (murder, rape). It translates to Evil in and of itself. The Reich was Evil in and of itself. There is also a second category of crime malum...
  11. If the Nazis won would they have been able to accomplish Generalplan Ost?

    The Plan would be just as awful, but a reduced goal, meant mainly to clear territory for settlement, would not stand out that far from the Holomodor, the Great Leap Forward, the Khmer Rouge, or Leopold's Congo (to use a few other 20th Century examples). What made it exceptional, even more than...
  12. If the Nazis won would they have been able to accomplish Generalplan Ost?

    The acquisition of the territory for agriculture was part of the plan, that is 100% correct. The Plan, however, specified, by nationality exactly what percentage of the overall population was to to be liquidated or transported East (which amounts to the same thing). It didn't say take over this...
  13. Japanese sink US carriers at Pearl Harbor, what next?

    The Japanese thought so too. The operational orders for the Kido Butai specifically mention four USN CV in one section and 4-5 CV in a later section. In another thread I recently remarked on how the IJN operational plan was a reflection on the haphazard state of Japanese intelligence gathering...
  14. If the Nazis won would they have been able to accomplish Generalplan Ost?

    It was Generalplan Ost that convinced me that the Reich put every other evil regime, including Stalin's USSR and Pol Pot's Cambodia in the shade. The pages of history run with the blood of victims of evil from every continent, as far back as we can trace. Generalplan Ost, however, manages to lap...
  15. If the Nazis won would they have been able to accomplish Generalplan Ost?

    The goal was to destroy all traces of "Slavic Culture". In Hitler and his minions warped little minds that meant destroying the cultural architecture of note. The Major cities, ripe with history and meaning (e.g. Warsaw, Kiev, Minsk, Moscow, Leningrad/Saint Petersburg) would be marked for...
  16. PC. GRUMMANISATION of the "HMS Ark Royal"

    The F-14 was close to the same overall size as the Buccaneer. The problem would be the Hawkeye. The E-2 is better than 18' tall. That is taller than the hangers of any RN carrier ever built.
  17. Japanese sink US carriers at Pearl Harbor, what next?

    So they get two decks. Enterprise and Lexington. Sara was en route to San Diego from Bremerton, scheduled to pick up her VF squadron which had just been checked out on the F4F while she was in refit. That leave Sara, Ranger, Yorktown and Wasp, along with Hornet, which is still shaking down. At...
  18. Germany vs The Soviet union - One on one

    Does it mean neutral? Or does it mean something else? The U.S. wouldn't sell helium to Germany. Period. Not because of the very real chance of war in 1939, just flat refused to sell it to them (refused to sell it to most countries) and had done so for decades. During the Cold War the U.S. flat...
  19. Germany vs The Soviet union - One on one

    This goes back to my first post in the thread. What are the actual circumstances. Was the UK actually defeated? If not, what sort of situation holds sway there and in the U.S.? The U.S. & UK effectively hold monopoly positions on most of the strategic materials needed for an industrialized...
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