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Only chance of a shia ( not to be confused with imami sect) shurha alliance is the period till middle ummayyads Infact one can say battle of Dayr al jamijam and revolt of abdur rehman b ashath b qays was a Iraqi alliance of khariji proto-sunnis, and proto-shias against ummayyad Syrian...

lol yes that's a whole different issue the shia splinter groups the imami 12ers also disown the ghulu exaggerator groups NOW but in the past there was a lot of "cross feritilization" of ideas between the various shia factions.If you are interested Firaqh al shia by nawbukhti is a good...

When shia introduced the concept of divine appointment of their imams that was the permenant rift with other muslims but shia in times of the first 5 imams esp first 3 simply meant their supporters and companions, I suspect when the Imami shia scholars in 2nd century hijri wanted to form a...

At that time there was no clear shia or khariji ( shurha) doctrine The shia are simply companions of ALi plus they share many kinship bonds e.g one son of adi b hatim ( a very close sahabi and companion of ALi ) was amongst the shurha and many people went in and out of khariji camp. e.g Shibath...

Honestly not a chance ! This is a nonstarter Only realistic invasions we have to deal with are the brits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Invasion

Yes like a "Anti ibn saba" movement lol Interestingly countering the ummayyad lobby would be easy in Iraq Yemen and Hijaz Persia was iffy anyway most of it nonmuslim at that time Supporters of ALi in Iraq and Medina are pissed but they can be won over if the Khawarij highlite their...

Indeed its an addiction for me khawarij get a lot of bad rep from both shia and sunni because of their egalitarian principles of leadership, but it must be admitted the first shurha or khawarij were very unreasonable and their opposition to ALi cost the Iraqis a victory over the Syrians and...

actually ive heard ibn abbas is well regarded by some khawarij factions ? no sure But yes I really don't see them acquiring main provinces without Sahaba approval atleast ( if not in leadership positions) I think most of these sentiments are of a much later generation, the ahlulbayt and Sahaba...

Forgive my ignorance My interest in khawarij is mainly till the death of Abdul Malik b Marwan

Shura is a creation of Umar, abubakr election was ad hoc and not by Shura, Umar explains that in detail in a hadith.First and only "pious" caliph elected by Shura was uthman.The early muhajireen were the fav candidates for shura. But yes Abubakr was well respected by almost all sahaba and had...

I hope people study the individual figures involved at that time in the fitna then its an interesting lively discussion I tried it on a muslim forum but trouble is the shia and sunni are blinded by their ideological beliefs and don't think of things objectively

Was he not killed in Naharawan ? If no Naharawan then yes maybe for a few sections of it but will he get the widespread support ? I don't remember his clan but people of other clans will be hardpressed to support a leader unless he had religious precedence ( major sahabi) or very powerful tribal...

depends on which ships and which aircraft e.g in a KIEV class ship aircraft far inferior to the capabilities of the ship ( SSN_12 sandbox cruise missles) Same navy the land based bombers of the AVMF the backfires and Bear H can carry cruise missiles which far outrange the missiles of a...

I agree with this part for sure Problem is who will lead it after the first fitna under a khariji banner ? none of the prominent companions were of the Khariji beliefs and even the khawarij themselves venerated abubakr/umar even though these 2 caliphs came to power based on a principal of...

Exactly, they didn't do anything to help Poland Hell if the French attacked from the WEst , the germans didn't have the forces in 1939 to fight a 2 front war

Well the ELAS was already active in the late war years and germans pretty much evacuated Greece, if uncle joe rolled into Greece what can the WEst do to stop him ?

Can anyone recommend a book that describes a alt history scenario of a war between USSR and Japan during the cold war 1945-1990 ?

Yes I agree with you but by khariji I mean really a non-Quraish caliphate where a individual can rise without having a prominent tribe Yes in first fitna it was an isolated and mainly Iraqi issue but I meant over time the term "khariji" was loosely applied by the rulers to any uprising with...

Yes very true, although some "nobility " of Iraq esp did tend to join them when it suited their needs I think the term khawarij in itself isn't as monolithic as much as it later came to be known.Atleast one such uprising against ummayyads one of Abdur rehman b ashath b qays contained many...

"world without islam" its a good alternate history book