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Threads about Korea Hi everyone, I'm back. I decided to take some time off (around half a year) from posting after RL eventually caught up with me. However, I occasionally checked the forums during my spare time, and back in September, someone (not on this website) contacted me by email with...

I guess I'll have to say the same. As much as I want to discuss this more thoroughly, I will not have time to do so, so my points may not be fully fleshed out. I don't have an issue with you questioning the hypothesis, but referring to irrelevant “revisionist” ones rejected by mainstream...

The Chinese figures are extrapolated from Chinese sources after assuming that a significant number of non-Han Chinese, migrants, and non-citizens (slaves, monks, bandits, etc.) would not have been included in the total count. For reference, the Jin population was recorded as 17 million, while...

I don't have much time, so I'll try to be brief. I'm fully aware of when assimilation began (at least by 108 BC), but emigration from Korea to Japan (due to movements from Manchuria) beginning in 300 BC was entirely unrelated to the much later emigration waves from the Korean peninsula to...

The main problem with this is that "Korea" from around 300 BC to AD 668 was very different from modern "Korea." While Southern Manchuria (including Liaodong and Liaoxi) remained culturally "Korean" before 300 BC, topographical evidence indicates that the peninsula south of Pyongyang remained...

Sure. Will these do? All of the maps show the Former Yan (337-70), a Xianbei state, in full control of Liaodong (and other regions), and are fully backed by primary Chinese sources. Additionally, Murong Hui (the founder's father), had directly governed Liaodong since 289 as a Jin vassal...

(In the interest of time, non-English sources will not be translated.) Glad I could help. That's not what you had said earlier, though. You had specified 700-800 years of Chinese control through the Han-Wei-Jin, not Yan-Qin. Your duration would require political control starting from 500-400...

What sources are you relying on? I've stated this before, but while that assumption is true for the northeast, it is incorrect for the northwest and Jeju (Tamra until 1294). This map indicates possessions at the beginning of Gongmin's reign in 1351 (in green), as the northwest was returned by...

It's well known that the Jeju dialect/language borrowed numerous cognates from Mongolian, while the horses on the island are assumed to be descendants of Mongol breeds. I'm well aware of that, but the northern Korean border (ignoring Liaodong, which continued to remain under Yuan...

(I realize that the first map may not necessarily represent all of the borders accurately.) A few notes on Korea: The "Jin" in Liaodong is an anachronism. Goryeo princes were directly appointed by the Yuan as governors of Shenyang from 1307-76 (Goryeo from 1376-88), administering what is now...

I'm still convinced that with a relatively late PoD in 1392, the vast majority of developments within Korea would have remained similar. This was mostly because the kingdom (not principality) was briefly in turmoil due to countless purges initiated by Yi Seong-gye against the former Goryeo...

Adding on to this, it would have been a logistical nightmare for the Ming to conquer Korea, even in part, making it essentially impossible for the former to do so. Specifically, Korean troops (during Goryeo) repelled two invasions by the Red Turbans in 1359 and 1361 (the latter involving...

Apologies for the long response below, but I just wanted to be thorough in order to prevent endless discussions. Ask and you shall receive. There's much more, but I don't feel like providing every single link right now. Please don't make blanket assumptions without throughly understanding...

Oh, that's certainly a big cliché that I've tried to extensively disprove as well, although I'm not sure if that's as common as the Imjin War one. Thanks for reminding me.

The most common (thread) topic on Korea (before 1900) is No or dead Yi Sun-shin/Japanese victory in the Imjin War, or a similar variant. This is despite the fact that I've repeatedly stated why and how the former wouldn't have made a substantial difference (a surplus of other talented admirals...

This would have been virtually impossible because Yi Sun-shin was far from the only capable admiral, although he was certainly the most talented one. In fact, when he was temporarily imprisoned, the court had actually blocked many of the supplies from reaching Won Gyun, along with severely...

Glad you liked it. :) Out of curiosity, what did you find interesting in particular?

Sure, no problem. I didn't mind the discussion at all. I just wanted to explain that the ingrained nature of Chinese culture and characters, as well as issues with printing, would have been virtually impossible to butterfly away. Regarding Okinawan, I would say that divergences wouldn't have...

Glad I could clarify, and I'll think about the details that need to be changed. This is helpful, and I'll look into it. However, I will note that at this point, it's impossible for me to change everything, because of the content that I've already written out. As a result, I'll probably change...

Given that this would essentially entail Japan completely ending its tributary relationship with China, this would have been virtually impossible, as not only did Chinese poetry and prose leave a lasting mark on Japanese literature, but Literary Chinese was also required as a lingua franca to...