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Exactly, Geredis. Can't edit the thread title unfortunately.

(OOC: This thread is NOT, repeat, NOT, intended to spark Holocaust denial. No rational human being can doubt the evil of the Nazis. What I am trying to do is spark taking a look at whether Hitler deciding that winning the war was the most important thing, and that reckoning with the Jews...

Erwin Rommel.

Option 1, with the addendum that I've already ordered a pre-emptive nuclear attack on the Soviet Union

Guys, in this scenario, Israel is on the verge of being OVERRUN. This isn't a case of "how can we win the war", it's a case of "if there is going to be a Second Holocaust we aren't going down alone.". US, or anyone else's, feelings in such a situation are immaterial.

If the Israelis had somehow been facing defeat in 1967... I'd think that they'd use the bombs before the country gets overrun. Idea being that "if this is happening again, we're not going down quietly this time." One on Aswan High Dam, one on Amman (under the posited circumstances, probably...

The Germans call off the Battle of the Bulge and instead use the manpower and armor in the East to try to defend against the Soviets. Probably would delay them enough that the Western Allies get Berlin.

A couple of people are forgetting something here. If you detonate the device during a business day, in downtown Manhattan, that area is VERY densely populated with workers. 10am on a business weekday...Between immediate effects and fallout I could see a million killed/injured, EASY.

As a wise man once said, there is only one excuse for rebellion against one's sovereign lord. Winning.

Ford lost IRL because of the famous debate screwup re the Soviet Union. Quoting from Time Magazine...

How about then, a POD where Stalin attacks FIRST? If you've ever read the book "Third Reich Victorious", one of the scenarios is entitled "The Storm and the Whirlwind". Zhukov, in real life, had tried to talk Stalin into a preemptive assault in May 1941. Here, Stalin goes for it. The Red...

Do the Germans have to be the ones who fire the first shot?

I can think of several of Heinlein's books that would have fit the bill.

What is IDU?

First post more like sets the table for what's to come. Most of the story will be in 1984. Don't want to ruin anything else... :)

August 31, 2003. A US Air Force helicopter, approaching the South Shore of Long Island. A bright, sunny day. It's carrying two passengers, and eight armed security guards. One passenger is Mark Davies, 57 years old, the Chief of Staff of the United States Air Force. The other is his aide...

Ralph Nader could never have won that election. Not happening.

How would you get a victory that was longer but MORE decisive?

That never would have happened--the Israelis would have been nuking Egypt and Syria long before it got to that stage.

Instant sunshine for Egypt and Syria?