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    Whatever Happened To Jerry Dover?

    After I finished reading, In at the Death, I kept wondering what would have happened to all of the characters living in the novel. Of all the different personalities portrayed within the 191 series, it seemed like the character of Jerry Dover had the best chance of prospering in the postwar...
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    One Last Slice of 191

    I'm glad you found it interesting. I'm probably not as familiar with a lot of the details of the 191 universe as many others probably are, but I think that I have the overall scheme of things more or less in tact. Also, after finishing the last book it occurred to me that once the CS was...
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    One Last Slice of 191

    To be honest, in the past I've never written anything long than a two or three page email. However, like many other people I simply couldn't let go of the 191 universe so I decided to try and imagine what a follow up book of the 191 universe might look like, so I went ahead and typed a brief...
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    TL-191 DBWI: What if the U.S. Had Re-annexed the Confederacy?

    Turtledove Got It Wrong I think that Turtledove got a it wrong, and in reality it is hard to imagine any situation in which the Confederate States could have actually gained independence from the US. Perhaps if the British had decided to offer the US all of Canada in exchange for releasing...
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    TL-191 DBWI: What if the U.S. Had Re-annexed the Confederacy?

    I agree. As I recall, somewhere near the end of the book, In at the Death, General Potter picks up a US propaganda leaflet advising the CS people to behave like good Americans, and he speculates that the US will most likely experience success in using such tactics. Why would the people of the...
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    Revisiting Turtledove’s 191 Universe

    I imagine that most of the Caribbean would be made up of US commonwealth territories, with the exception of Cuba. I believe that Cuba would be granted Independence, and that the US would have also have a 99 year lease on the CS base at Guantánamo Bay. Perhaps Fidel Castro might end up being a...
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    Revisiting Turtledove’s 191 Universe

    I'm envisioning that the US will be able to carry out a successful propaganda campaign during the late 1940, and that they will be able to convince the majority of Confederate citizens that life in the US isn't so bad after all. Most of the people who can't handle living under the Stars and...
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    Revisiting Turtledove’s 191 Universe

    "Here's the big question: what's to stop Germany or the U.S. from turning Russia into a glass-lined radioactive wasteland in the first place?" I think that the US would be so preoccupied in subduing and rebuilding the occupied Confederacy, that few people in the US would pay much attention to...
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    Revisiting Turtledove’s 191 Universe

    Great post, but I envision something slightly different. I don't think that the Soviet Union would come to exist, but I think that something similar to the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic could possibly come into being following the collapse of the Czar's main allies, Britain and...
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    What's your favourite published Axis victory AH in any medium?

    The Divide, by William Overgard The Divide, by William Overgard - 1980, is an interesting book, although a little bit slow moving by today's standards.
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    Revisiting Turtledove’s 191 Universe

    I really can't really remember if Alaska was still in the hands of Imperial Russia towards the end of the book, In at the Death? Also, here's a possible scenario that I'd like to run by the fans that are more knowledgeable of the 191 timeline. Just for the sake of argument, imagine for a...
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    Revisiting Turtledove’s 191 Universe

    One day back in 1998 I happened to be shopping at one of the mall bookstores with my wife, and just for the heck of it I decided to go over to the science fiction to see if anything interesting had come out lately. I noticed a copy of “American Front” sitting on the shelf, so I picked up the...
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