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    Pop-culture in TL-191

    Lately I've been wondering a lot about the closing scene from the Planet of the Apes, in which Charlton Heston's character, US Astronaut George Taylor, stumbles across the remains of the Statue of Liberty protruding from an ancient cliff face. Now, in the 191 timeline would George Taylor be a...
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    Timeline 191 – Possible Postwar Intrigues, Scandals, and Conflicts?

    Congratulations on posting the most ho-hum and completely predictable synopsis ever posted in this forum. Can't anyone associated with your fantasy Socialist Party USA be involved in some sort of a scandal, or are they all simply too pure of heart to engage in any sort of wrong doing...
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    Timeline 191 – Possible Postwar Intrigues, Scandals, and Conflicts?

    Well, if you aren't interested in having a conversation about politics, then don't start one. BTW, do you honestly have any thoughts inside your head that aren't leftist slogans? If you think I'm going to be shamed for not buy into the Progressive narrative, then you'd better think again...
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    Timeline 191 – Possible Postwar Intrigues, Scandals, and Conflicts?

    Thanks for proving my point for me. Socialists always try to tell others what they may or may not talk about, even when they do not have the authority to do so. It is a free country, so I will say whatever I want, to whomever I want, even if a few leftists get hurt feelings in the process...
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    Timeline 191 – Possible Postwar Intrigues, Scandals, and Conflicts?

    I also don't see the US and Germany sinking into a conflict anytime immediately after the war. Most likely Russia would be completely broken after the war, and would be ripe for some sort of a revolution. With Russia, and possibly China, transformed into some sort of rogue states, perhaps the...
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    Timeline 191 – Possible Postwar Intrigues, Scandals, and Conflicts?

    I think that a lot of the ex-Confederates might end up in Australia. The reason is, Australia will no longer have the British Empire to support it militarily, and perhaps a newly independent Australian government would want to attract people who have real life experience in leading and...
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    Timeline 191 – Possible Postwar Intrigues, Scandals, and Conflicts?

    If history in our own timeline has taught us anything it is that socialism = slavery, and that socialist movements are invariably taken over by a cadre of self-serving people who have no interests in improving the lives of the workers. When most Soviet citizens had to stand in line for...
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    Timeline 191 – Possible Postwar Intrigues, Scandals, and Conflicts?

    If the Socialists manage to regain control of the presidency, sometime following the conclusion of In at the Death, then I wonder if they'd try to institue a purge against all other US political parties, and would they even go so far as to attempt to suspend the Bill of Rights? What would a...
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    Timeline 191 – Possible Postwar Intrigues, Scandals, and Conflicts?

    This is more or less what I had in mind when I originally posted this thread. In our timeline Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein helped to break the Watergate scandal which eventually caused Richard Nixon to resign. But, how would such an event play out in the 191 universe? I was imagining that...
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    Timeline 191 – Possible Postwar Intrigues, Scandals, and Conflicts?

    But what is the point in being an idependent nation, if you're not allowed to have your own superbombs?
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    Timeline 191 – Possible Postwar Intrigues, Scandals, and Conflicts?

    But anyway you look at, independent Confederacy, or no independent Confederacy, the postwar US would be a much more powerful country than it was just a few years earlier, and with power comes corruption and controversy. Maybe US occupation forces might be stretched tight immediately after the...
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    Timeline 191 – Possible Postwar Intrigues, Scandals, and Conflicts?

    I agree, I think that a postwar independent CS would have to be something like what Mongolia was to the USSR in our time line.
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    Timeline 191 – Possible Postwar Intrigues, Scandals, and Conflicts?

    But, after the end of the Second Great War, only one side is left holding all the big guns, and that is the US side. Also, why wouldn't the US simply depopulate the people living in the former Confederacy who are giving them trouble, and later replace them with other people? After all, it...
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    Timeline 191 – Possible Postwar Intrigues, Scandals, and Conflicts?

    I tend to agree. After 70 - 80 years of continous fighting, I think that the US would be willing to do just about anything in order to bring the unruly people of the Confederacy to heel, including flirting with the idea of a mass genocide if need be. - But what if a couple of US officials...
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    Timeline 191 – Possible Postwar Intrigues, Scandals, and Conflicts?

    What sort of political scandals, intrigues, and conflicts might occur in the 191 version of America between the years 1944 and 1999? I think that answers to this question would more or less have to be divided into three possible categories: Category A: In this version of things a rump state...
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    Pop-culture in TL-191

    But what sort of a story could be told about a world in which Jake Featherston has finally killed off all of the people he deems to be inferior? It seems that would be very little potential intrigue in such a story, because what would the conflict be? I remember reading an alternate history...
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    Pop-culture in TL-191

    Mainly because I think that the post-war US of the 191 universe would put less emphasis on "freedom" and more emphasis on the consolidation of central power. In my opinion, it seems as though the Federation in our version of Star Trek was a looser affiliation of semi independent planets, maybe...
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    Pop-culture in TL-191

    I wonder if the creators of the 191 version of Star Trek might tend to set their story in some sort of a space republic, instead of a federation?
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    Pop-culture in TL-191

    Personally, I think that something along those lines would be kinda ugly, repetitive, and without any redeeming value. We already know how a mass-genocide worked out in our own timeline, so why beat a dead horse? I think it would be much more interesting to see how the survivors of Freedom...
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    Pop-culture in TL-191

    What would an episode of Star Trek be like in the 191 universe? Well, I think that it might go something like the screen play I've posted at the below blog site. https://startrek191.blogspot.com/2020/08/thefollowing-is-episode-of-television.html Alright, I admit that I posted about 20% of...
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