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There is no reason to think natives weren't a major factor. It doesn't take many kills for a slow breeding animals like the sea cow to be advesely effected. Even a 'small' amount of native hunting could easily have been enough to push it over the edge. Granted, there were probably other more...

Well sure, and if the American industry was more efficient it would have been even larger. I was just making a point.

I beleive by tonnage, the American industry was larger.

Sea cows are tough because they are slow, meaty and tasty. They live at sea, where they are usually so many hungry sailors, and they are easy to kill. Worse, they live in just the wrong spot. Far enough that Eurpoeans only find them late when they have very sophiscated hunting techquines but...

So how is ROI on the 'this is going so slow and melting my PC' front?

Taken to PM to stop thread-derail.

That being said, he didn't have any issues with the obvious horrible crimes going on. So don't expect him to be the conscience of your story or anything.

Who was he?

Ben Franklin wasn't a Quaker!

The Allies shoot alot of helicopters down.

The outrage would be aimed at the people who threw them at people, not the government, Granted, there would be more anger at it then today. If it happened today I doubt people who even raise an eyebrow that the government was planning to use every weapon it had on it's own populace. But even...

Was coming in here to post this. Happy to see AH.com knows it's stuff. It isn't perfect, obviously we know about it now, but it was very hushed.

Expense and they didn't really work very well. Building giant walls mean very little if you have to keep them poorly manned or mostly open to allow trade and movement anyway. Also the Middle East 'front' (see, more of a modern understanding of borders going back to when it does not apply) was...

How seriously do you take butterflies and such? Do you hold with recursive history or something more chaotic? Edit: Although the fact that you have been here logner then me is a good sign!

Barlett: War is hell and Turtledove does his best to show without extra gore. he does a good job here. This scene of 'another day at the front' also serves another purpose. Reggie, a standard CSA solider, is fighting in the trench laden battlefields around Big Lick Virgina. After our last...

If I recall, France rode the Depression pretty well until the global trade market totally collapsed. As stated above, the USSR survived, but do you want to be the USSR? The game isn't worth the candle there.

Flora: This is another good scene (probably one of the best in the book). When I think of TL-191 first I think of gas and tanks in Virgina, then I think of Socialists in New York. Turtledove pounds this home in a scene where vaugely state sponsered thugs rough up a Jewish butcher and Flora...

Nothing magical or supernatural has occured so nothing. (Excluding religions here).

It has no stat hit though? I kinda figured my vassals would be freaking out. Also, the Byzzie Emperor is a slow stutterer and yet he has held power for over 20 years at this point. He is my hero.

33 martial?! Nice! Also, I just got possesed in my current game. No idea what that entails.