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Devlet-i Aliye-i Osmaniye.

Also, the collapse of the USSR wasn't a catastrophe, whereas the destruction of the Ottoman Empire was. Although there was this little thing called WW2 that might have made someone's list.

I thought he was homosexual. It wouldn't matter much in the context of the times. As long as you had a wife, nobody cared, and even then nobody really pried into your personal life. Buchanan was after all a bachelor. If he was schtupping congressional pages on the House floor people might...

Actually, Kuwait was under Ottoman suzerainty too, but under British protectorate. When the Ottomans entered the war, the British declared it an independent state under British protection. If the Ottomans hadn't entered the war, they would have consolidated control over Arabia, probably...

Are you actually reading the sources you're posting? I agree his estimate of 3M was way off, but he had no data at the time. The rest of what you said doesn't match anything Karpat said. He said there were about 500,000 Muslims left in Bulgaria in 1881, but then many decades later it had...

Did one person in this thread mention the Crusades? Then why did you? It's nonsense. Your ridiculous logical fallacy is OK because someone somewhere else that's not in this discussion has complained about the Crusades? What does this have to do with anything? It's true that the original...

If you mean most sources from a casual google search on the internet, then yes. If you mean a search of actual historical works and data, then no. The entire region the Assyrians lived in didn't have 1,000,000 inhabitants, and it's inconceivable that a group that had an equal population to the...

I think it would be incredibly hard for the Dutch to abandon the campaign in Aceh. The best POD would have been at the very beginning, when the Dutch abolished the Sultanate and annexed Aceh. That was a horrible and costly mistake. I suppose it's possible that they could have reinstated the...

No, none. There weren't very many Assyrians to begin with, and they didn't suffer any more than anyone else. The Assyrian Genocide is manufactured by inventing a population of 1,000,000 of them, when there were only 70,000 before the war. No, no Turkish historians think that, nor do any...

Well I'm happy to remove your doubts. It's true. Why wouldn't it be?

That is an astonishing statement. We've invaded and occupied two countries, and for decades supported a colonial state (Israel) for no reason that supports our national interest, and propped up horrifyingly autocratic regimes out of fear of a phantom Islamic alternative. We've essentially...

Comparing the 7th c to the 19th-20th is not meaningful. And your are simply wrong. What happened then to all the Muslims of Bulgaria, Serbia, and Greece? There were millions. The treaty whereby Serbia gained status as an autonomous principality actually mandated the expulsion of all Muslims...

Agreed. It's not valid to compare the Ottoman Empire 100 years ago with the West today. Any extrapolation is subjective, but it doesn't seem likely that a tolerant society would suddenly reverse course for no reason. Given the cosmopolitan nature of the empire, it seems more reasonable to...

That's not true. The Caliphate during the latter half of the 19th c and early 20th became a rather significant rallying point to Muslims internationally. The call to Jihad in WWI was a failure because it was an offensive war in alliance with a Christian power - a rather hypocritical call. The...

The figures are supported by later censuses which were completed. Fortunately the areas lost were the areas with the best counts prior to 1877. I'm getting tired of the nonsensical ad hominem attacks on historians. Karpat's study uses only census data - it has nothing to do with nationalism...

I tried, but I don't see it. If you make Thailand have a bit more success and avoid all the British & French territory grabs, you still end up with a 1922 population of 14,420,000. If you have Thailand be a bit more successful against Burma and get that stuff that sticks down, you get a...

Yes, but what we actually wrote can't be allowed to get in the way of troll-posting. Apparently the only interpretation of what I wrote was that the Dutch knew nothing at all about anything anywhere in Indonesia, ever. :rolleyes: Indeed.

Look, there's no need to be a dick. This is pure troll posting. The Netherlands had very little knowledge of Aceh and how it worked, and Hurgronje's understanding of the place wasn't only absent, it was totally wrong. The Dutch operated under the idea that Aceh was a centralized polity...

2) Yes. Baron von Overbeek was the originator of the project, the Austrian consul in Hong Kong. He was unable to get enough interest in Austria to get things going, most likely due to ongoing difficulties in Bosnia, which doesn't happen in this TL. The capital of the company would be mostly...

As I was saying, the Ottoman position would be very limited and legalistic, aimed specifically at Aceh, where the Dutch position is ambiguous and problematic: they don't have an effective blockade, they invaded with no casus belli, and their occupation of the East Coast dependencies was based...