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  1. Germany goes Total War early on

    With which Germany still beat France abd chased Britain out of Europe in 1940
  2. Germany goes Total War early on

    The whole system was wedded to the old German doctrine of manoeuvre warfare. It would be necessary to tear down the existing system and rebuild from scratch. Within the context of WW2 this was impossible for Germany while engaged in the war. Furthermore Germany lacked the resources and manpower...
  3. What really happened at Prokhorovka??

    You have to bear in mind that these units would have incurred high losses during the winter campaign (3ed Kharkov) for which see Last Victory (Nipe). One suspects many of the replacements went to the Panzer grenadiers though some (like Wittman) went to the Panzers. Against that there were...
  4. What really happened at Prokhorovka??

    It should be noted however that Decision in the Ukraine is not a book about Kursk. Rather it covers the Mius River battles and 4th Kharkov. Blood, Steel and Myth however sprcifica;;y covers Kursk and is therefore the text to go to on this subject. It might be helpful to others if you indicated...
  5. What really happened at Prokhorovka??

    Citno is not a bad source. Inly a brief chapter on Kursk and another on the rest of the summer 1943 campaign. His point however is that German doctrine was larhey redundant. On Lawrence and the Dupuy Institute I was inn fact pointing out Lawrence's qualifications, I am at present reading his...
  6. What really happened at Prokhorovka??

    Yes he does. The question howevcer is what such a tactical victory would have looked like given the failure of AGC
  7. What really happened at Prokhorovka??

    Citino's books are definitely a source you should read. As for Lawrence's statistics you do realise that he is President of the Dupuy Institute, a very eminent professional organisation. He and/or his researchers have clearly been to the primary sources. Hence his data which was in fact...
  8. What really happened at Prokhorovka??

    Among other issues
  9. What really happened at Prokhorovka??

    Even before 1941 Soviet tank crews were seriously deficient. At Kursk at least in AGS the Germans did successfully penetrate Soviet defences (Ponyri AGC was a different story) and casualties weren't too bad un most cases looking at Lawrence's data on tactical engagements. With the exception of...
  10. What really happened at Prokhorovka??

    For industrial era warfare I don't really like the term "decisive battle"because of the sheer scale of war at this time, a point made by Robert M Citino. Another point he makes is that German Operational doctrine was no longer suited to the requirements of industrial age warfare and particularly...
  11. What really happened at Prokhorovka??

    With relation to specifically the Russian Front we can say that Kursk - 4th Kharkov were decisive battles though we should be cautious of labelling this or that battle as decisive within the context of industrial sca;e 20th Century warfare. Given the sheer size of the war it might be difficult...
  12. What really happened at Prokhorovka??

    Regarding training and experience the Red Army were learning their skills on the job and an awful tot of them were killed in the process. There were a lot of issues with the T-34/76 which have alreadyt been discussed. Suffice to say that, on balance the Red Army tank crews were not yet quite on...
  13. What really happened at Prokhorovka??

    I agree with you on that point. Just as German authors would have a pro German perspective (eg Spaeter. Meyer etc) National bias is of course one of the best known forms of bias.. My comment earlier was more of a health warning than a suggestion that Zamulin is a bad source. He isn't and, unlike...
  14. What really happened at Prokhorovka??

    Note however that Zamulin has been criticised for having a very pro Russian stance (there's a surprise!) That said he is a very food modern source. I ordered myths an Controversies yesterday amd already have his other two volumes Lawrence s book does seem to refer rZamulin quite a bit...
  15. What really happened at Prokhorovka??

    The lendlease was certainly present at Kursk - nut just US equipment but Nritsh as well
  16. What really happened at Prokhorovka??

    Lawrence argues that Wehrmacht Panzer Divisions were at least as capable as II SS Panzer Corps. However we also know from Nipe that II SS Panzer Corps received large numbers of replacements, often Luftwaffe ground crews in the period preceding Kursk. Exactly where those replacements went might...
  17. What really happened at Prokhorovka??

    However the problem with memoirs and for that matter the divisional histories is the author's bias. In the German case likely to be pro German, likely to be casting himself and his unit in the best possible light. In the case od the SS the likelihood is that the author was a Nazi, might very...
  18. What really happened at Prokhorovka??

    Hardly an "expert" The more I read and study the more I realise there is to learn. Lawrence, as President of the Dupuy Institute is a true expert. However I would consider his book as virtually the essential work on AGS. I will however certainly be making extensive use of the source when I study...
  19. What really happened at Prokhorovka??

    You could interpret it that way. A "successful failure" is still a failure! Could Army Group South have made a bit more progress Possibly but not very much more. Lawrence in Kursk: the Battle of Prokhorovaa P1212 accepts that in theory 23rd Panzer and Wiking could have been inserted into the...
  20. What really happened at Prokhorovka??

    I am not "sniping" From an academic perspective Wikipedia is not regarded favourably for a range of reasons. Accuracy for starters. That is an academic fact I was stating, Nothing more. And yes I certainly could quote from Glantz. I could also quote from Zamulin, Nipe and Christopher A...
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