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Yes, yes. I know this thread is not to discuss the political aspects of such a TL, however there is something that just keeps coming back to my mind. In a axis win scenario how would the Dutch East Indies fall in German hands? Wouldn't they be in Japanese territory? Even if it is a German...

WI instead of the Robentrop-Molotov Pact, Germany secretly negotiates with Poland the return of the territories lost after WWI in the East to the newly created country? In exchange Germany would allow and support the Polish annexation of Lithuania (Poland and some territorial claims on Lithuania...

Actually Brazil IS on the way to Great Power status (as far as XXI century great power definition is concerned). It will soon become the 5th world economy...

Hi Gonzaga, Thanks for your input. All you say is true. The best of the Portuguese military were lost on the Moroccan adventure of Sebastian and your remarks regarding the nobility are also true. Thus said, Antonio would have to rely on the support of the lower nobility that did escape...

Agreed. If you look closer to my previous posts I mention that exactly. Surely a war would follow and the Spanish would have to suffer a lot of pain before Phillip II accepts he cannot dominate Portugal.

Nice suggestion this one. I'll take note of that to use if I do try to create a TL.

Yes, an opened Japan to the world at the ending of the XVI century would surely be a very interesting scenario to play with. I rather like your suggestion of a satellized Japan to the Western powers to beggin with. I can imagine a first atempt by the Shogunate to expell the “foreign devils”...

Thanks for your input. Regarding your note about the alliance with England I agree with you. For most of its existence it was basically more of an opportunistic alliance the English had within the greater scope of their strategy aimed at Europe: His/Her Majesties Government always used the...

Major changes in the development of the Portuguese Empire for the period of 1580-1640 This is just a simplistic step by step analysis of the actual events of our TL and what might have been if our POD happened. Generally speaking the union with Spain entailed both benefits and drawbacks as...

I’m not sure I’ll develop a TL from this POD. Anyway as a starting point I think it would be important to identify the immediate consequences of such a POD. Starting “internally” – with internally I mean Portugal and its overseas territories – this is, in my opinion the overall consequences of...

Thanks for your input. I’m didn’t meant to suggest a complete butterfly of the Napoleonic Wars. I meant that the butterflies of an independent Portugal in the period 1580-1640 could eventually lead to a different posture of the Portuguese Royal family and keep the country out of the European...

Following the death of the King Sebastian of Portugal in the Battle of Ksar El Kibir, in 1578, he was succeeded by his great-uncle, Cardinal Henry, who died two years later without legitimate direct successor. Three grandchildren of Manuel I claimed the throne, among them Phillip II of Spain...

If a coup happens in Portugal in 1973 bringing to power an even more extremist right regime than the one already in place (Portugal was a right wing corporative dictatorship much similar to the Italian fascist model of the 1930’s) I think it wouldn’t butterfly away the military left wing coup...

Portugal, without loosing its independente to Spain and without having its empire decline (no Brazilian independence also). Today it would be a federal state -maybe even a monarchy- with territories in all continents.

Nice development this thread had. It was exactly what I was looking for. Interesting ideas and great discussion indeed. Thank you guys. It gave me a few ideas… Let’s see if I am able to develop a credible TL. Now, going back to the beginning, let’s say that +- on the 15th of July 1941 –...

Interesting points here, but I think this is getting a little off topic. My goal was to discuss how better, without hindsight and the influence if Hitler/Nazi leadership, would a militarily led Germany and its armed forces fare better in the Eastern front. Politically, and with the Nazi...

This would also release a lot of rolling material and railways for the transport of troops and equipment which were wasted transporting millions to their deaths in the KZs. It would have a rather positive effect in the situation of German logistics in the East.

On the 22nd June 1941 Germany unleashed Operation Barbarossa, the invasion of the Soviet Union. I know this as been discussed to the death in this forum, including all its aspects: military strategy and tactics, civil, economical and political sides as well. Nevertheless what I would propose...

What instead of Germany it had been the Soviets to begin the invasion of Poland?

Thanks for your comments guys. I do agree that given the momentum if would be very hard, almost impossible to have the type of situation I described. And yes, I also agree that any coup attempt would probably lead to a civil war. Nevertheless I do not agree that it would be impossible to...