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  1. 2018 Turtledove (closes 3/10)- Best Colonialsim and Revolutions Era Timeline Nominations and Seconds

    I second the above nomination for Best Colonialism and Revolutions Era Timeline: Pride Goes Before a Fall: A Revolutionary Greece Timeline; Earl Marshal
  2. What if the Spanish Civil War never happened?

    Some ideas here: //www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/some-ideas-for-the-nth-no-spanish-civil-war-tl.334366/
  3. Pride Goes Before a Fall: A Revolutionary Greece Timeline

    The desire exists, but do desires always become realities? Language shifts happen, and many of them took place during the 19th century, especialy during nation-building processes. They had nothing to do with how strange the language sounded to the common people, but how properly they were...
  4. Pride Goes Before a Fall: A Revolutionary Greece Timeline

    Didn't Arvanites and Aromanians became hellenized against their " human instincts"? I meant that OTL the same intellectuals who were pushing for katharevousa didn't have enough, and saw it as a intermediate step to a further archaized vernacular. Perhaps a more comprehensive school system...
  5. Pride Goes Before a Fall: A Revolutionary Greece Timeline

    Perhaps a more succesful school system leads to a more expanded vernacularization of katharavousa......in the end, modern standard Greek would be more ''katharevoused"
  6. Pride Goes Before a Fall: A Revolutionary Greece Timeline

    On reconsideration, it's true that there wouldn't probably be grounds for giving territorial compensation to Russia in the hypothetical case of delimitation of spheres of influence in Egyptian-ruled Levant, without common border with Russia, as it would in case of Ottoman defeat and subsequent...
  7. Pride Goes Before a Fall: A Revolutionary Greece Timeline

    . ......which didn't prevent the French setting foot in Mount Lebanon, or more explicitly the British occupation of Egypt....
  8. Pride Goes Before a Fall: A Revolutionary Greece Timeline

    Am I wrong in asserting that British obsession with Ottoman Empire integrity was limited to cutting Russian access to Mediterranean across the Straits (and through Eastern Anatolia/Greater Armenia if possible)? If a power "other" than Ottoman Empire ruled south of Cilician Gates.... would that...
  9. Pride Goes Before a Fall: A Revolutionary Greece Timeline

    Therefore, instead of limiting the privileges granted to Muhammad Ali to keeping Sudan and the hereditary Khedivate, I can predict a more balanced Partition of Ottoman Empire between Porte and Cairo, giving the fact that Egyptian starting point will be far more advantageous. Then, western...
  10. Pride Goes Before a Fall: A Revolutionary Greece Timeline

    IHMO the damn monkey bite was the excuse the Allies came out with to abandon Greece..... Once they realized that defending their (France, Italy) anatolian war spoils was too costly, they came to terms with Aratürk, exchanging territory for commercial agreements. OTL Greece was then a little...
  11. Pride Goes Before a Fall: A Revolutionary Greece Timeline

    SPOILERS, SPOILERS. !! Now that other forum members have mentioned the subject so early.....I'm sure that in a territorial conflict between the one-eyed and the blind (OTL Greece & Ottoman), few AH changes would clearly tip the scales in favour of the Greeks. In fact it's one of the many...
  12. Pride Goes Before a Fall: A Revolutionary Greece Timeline

    Isn't there a greek tradition, one that was followed by the Glüksburgs, about naming firstbon children after their grandfather?. Therefore, Leo's firstborn son should be named Constantine (to start a byzantinized dynasty), and Constantine's son should be named Leo II.
  13. Pride Goes Before a Fall: A Revolutionary Greece Timeline

    Very interesting, since any Russian push to Tarsus would put the strategic secondary route to Persian and India in the Tsar's hands.... something that the british obsession with the balance of power (or less cynically any threat to their own interests) wouldn't tolerate. In fact, UK "discovered"...
  14. Pride Goes Before a Fall: A Revolutionary Greece Timeline

    Uhmmm......Russsia trying the not so long Armenian-Pontic route to the Straits?
  15. Pride Goes Before a Fall: A Revolutionary Greece Timeline

    :idontcare: Still intrigued about the chances of OTL better Greece for territorial expansion, aside from Ionian islands..... I cannot foresee any major changes regarding the Ottoman Empire, considering the fact that till 1878 the Powers minus Russia were commited to manitain the integrity of...
  16. Pride Goes Before a Fall: A Revolutionary Greece Timeline

    I must admit that my sources are quite few.... I don't know if they're wrong
  17. Pride Goes Before a Fall: A Revolutionary Greece Timeline

    Direct suffrage at local level and delegation to the national Parliament was the system chosen by Tanzimat Ottomans to start exprimenting with representative government. Tsar Alexander's reforms towards people's enfrachisement began at local level too (zemtsvo)....and the first steps in...
  18. Pride Goes Before a Fall: A Revolutionary Greece Timeline

    OTL war-torn Greece "tolerated" more than 10 years of absolutist (and incompetent) Bavarokratia.... and the 1843 Revolution had more to do with the thirst for political power the Greek war veterans experienced than anything else..... in fact it was a military coup fervorously supported by the...
  19. Pride Goes Before a Fall: A Revolutionary Greece Timeline

    And do you really think that such degree of regional autonomy is the best choice for a newborn (and small in terms of territory) country somehow prone to anarchy?. Devolved legislative initiative looks like the shortest road to regional uprisings. I thought you were talking about something akin...
  20. Pride Goes Before a Fall: A Revolutionary Greece Timeline

    I didn't understand exactly what you meant with the representation of the people in Legislative and regional bodies.... how wide is the franchise? Are the members of the house of representatives elected by direct popular vote, or under an indirect system, elected by the members of the Councils...
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