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  1. The Collaborative Central Powers TL?

    Can't deny this. But in the end this might actually be beneficial to the Empire, as they adopt better policies to keep some of the more rowdy colonies in the fold. More dominions, perhaps? And I stand by my view that they will. That definitely seems more likely to me, though I doubt the...
  2. The Collaborative Central Powers TL?

    Where do a majority of people say that? I know a few have, but there are others who agree with me that Britain would likely get out of the war relatively (at least compared to its allies) unharmed. That's why we need to set up some way of figuring out the basic points of this TL, like a few...
  3. The Collaborative Central Powers TL?

    The CP can win WWI without Britain being destroyed as a Great Power...
  4. No Samu Incident

    See here for info. Just assume that either the soldiers miss the mine or Israel doesn't attack afterwards. What kind of consequences would this have, especially if the Six-Day War still happens?
  5. The Collaborative Central Powers TL?

    Y'know, if we have this many defeats for the Brits in 1915 they'll probably give up by the end of the year. They might even end up selling out France & Russia in order to keep all of their prewar possessions...
  6. The Collaborative Central Powers TL?

    Fine, fine... My main issue was just that we can't have everything go good for the CP. So how will this worse Gallipoli play out? If Bulgaria does attack Thrace, I still think it would be a good idea to have Greece join the CP- they have alot to gain. And as the land attack towards Istanbul...
  7. The Collaborative Central Powers TL?

    Do all the CPs have to win, though? The main goal of this seems to be a German victory, and besides most conquered Ottoman land would probably be given up in the end for better terms in Europe. Such an attack (unless Greece has joined the war and blocks up the Aegean) seems more likely to...
  8. The Collaborative Central Powers TL?

    If the Allies coordinate an attack on Istanbul with other attacks (Caucasus, maybe Iraq and Palestine though doubtful) it could force the Ottomans to divert troops. Obviously Istanbul will be the priority for the Turks, but if the Allies can get Bulgaria in the war the job of bashing through the...
  9. The Collaborative Central Powers TL?

    The thing about Gallipoli is that once it becomes a land operation and not a combined arms one it's over. The Ottomans can keep troops pinned down on the beaches forever. But I was thinking of a Gallipoli victory due to a different naval situation- the ships came extremely close to breaking...
  10. The Collaborative Central Powers TL?

    The Ottomans might join just to get a powerful German ally in the post war world... of course, the straits will be seen as much more important than OTL. Maybe a stronger (and more successful) attempt at Gallipoli? Even if Moltke still changes the plan, it would help if he didn't send all those...
  11. The Collaborative Central Powers TL?

    I hope so, but if we are then we need to agree on some things right away before it just turns into a thread full of arguments that goes nowhere. First priority is when the war is won by Germany- how should we figure this out?
  12. Guess Who Else Has Joined the Central Powers? Canada!

    If that happens throughout the early 1800s (maybe the US is more anti-immigrant?) and then one of the Fenian invasions succeed...
  13. The Collaborative Central Powers TL?

    Well, since some people are posting their ideas about the peace, just thought I'd post mine: France: The big loser. The border is moved further west, there are German soldiers allowed in Channel ports, and chunks on Equatorial Africa are lost. They'll also have to pay reparations and disarm a...
  14. The Collaborative Central Powers TL?

    I guess there seem to be two major camps of people in this thread... 1. Those who think a Central Powers victory will be like a German Versailles. Massive land gains all over Europe, no colonies lost and in fact many gained, Austria and Turkey strong and loyal thanks to their new gains, and...
  15. The Collaborative Central Powers TL?

    But who says the Germans would support the Ottomans in all this? The idea of Stormtroopers in khaki not being wasted on the front lines in Palestine but instead marching across Suez is nice, but Germany would have few reasons for such a thing. With the main front in Russia, that's where they...
  16. The Collaborative Central Powers TL?

    That won't happen unless France is incredibly stupid and treats Britain like the Entente never took place. Britain might declare "protection" over some French colonies but I doubt anything else... Why should Britain lose anything? I could see the situation in the ME not really changing much at...
  17. Israel/Jewish homeland in CP Victorious TL

    Who says there's an Israel at all? Without the Holocaust there's nothing to bring the plight of the Jews to worldwide attention. Them gaining independence IOTL involved an incredible amount of luck. Here it would be almost impossible.
  18. The Collaborative Central Powers TL?

    The nitrate problem can be avoided due to a later British entry, the French can be delayed in Alsace similar to in OTL, and if the Dynamic Duo still is in charge in the east then a good deal of the Russian army at the beginning can be entrapped and destroyed.
  19. Israel/Jewish homeland in CP Victorious TL

    Yeah, I'll agree here. The Jews will be allowed to live and work in Palestine if they wish, anything involving autonomy won't be allowed. Depends how far the British have gotten up to this point- a Balfour Declaration would seem to indicate they're pretty far into Palestine. They might be able...
  20. The Collaborative Central Powers TL?

    They can refit the BEF and send it to attack somewhere around the Mediterranean. I'd say there's a good chance Turkey still joins in, just to secure Germany as an ally and maybe get some land in the Caucasus, and Italy might as well to get Tunisia. There'll be a few soft underbellies for the...
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