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What if the US is defeated in the War of 1812, with the frontier border with Canada overrun with Red Coats; that major coastal cities, including Washington, are not only attack but occupied,;& that the Battle of New Orleans is a British victory leading to an official surrender. What are the...

Geee, why don't you just drink metho & coke :eek:

No alcohol! That's got to be a crime of some sort! :eek: :D :rolleyes: Furthermore it's got to be ten times worse than no pepperoni pizza! :eek::mad::eek::mad:

Here's an idea. Have Australia hold onto the territory it liberated from the Japanese during WWII. So we're talking western New Guinea, half of Kalimantan, & a dozen or so other places (Ambon, Timor, etc). Not only will this piss off the Dutch & the British, & probably the Americans as well...

It's not overly hard in many respects. Just have the Australian Chifley government re-elected in 1949. They had strong socialist polices at the time so this would ensure Australia became socialist as a result. The Chifley govt was also a supporter of Indonesia. As a result ties between the two...

Yeah, I understand that, but it's one of those topics which doesn't sit well in either sub-forum as it can easily be in both. So it was literally a flick of a coin as to which sub-forum I ended up placing it in.

I think that about the only immediate benefit that the CSA could gain is, as robert suggested, if Grant got killed. Otherwise Grant will simply dust himself off the next day & continue the offensive somewhat akin to the OTL. If, however, Grant was killed, then Meade would take complete...

Yeah I noticed I got into trouble. But I don't understand why. Still I thought, when I originally asked: ... that pretty well spoke for itself ;)

Actually it was a pyrrhic victory for the British who, after seeing that the Indonesians didn't want "liberation", decided real fast to leave it to the Dutch & took off about as quickly as they could... ;) Well it's not as if the Dutch didn't play "unconventional" tactics either. After all...

Why should it involve all these nations? Clearly Scotland the Brave doesn't include England, Wales, Ireland, & half of Western Europe...

And, as you'd know, if it's anything like the Battle of Surabaya, the Dutch won't do too well... ;)

Just a matter of interest here. What's the earliest date where the Indonesian's could have thrown off the Dutch & be free? Bonus points if it can be done before 1900! Discuss

Yes, that was a slight problem... :D

The thing is, though, what are we defining as a "limited nuclear war"? Are we talking about, say, Isreal nuking a few places in Iran, or are we talking about a nuclear slugfest between Pakistan & India? Because the consequences, at least for the nations involved, are going to be immensely different.

The main question to ask, first & foremost, is how many nukes are we talking about in this "limited nuclear war"? Secondly where is this war is being fought & where are the detonations? Because those two fundamental questions will help in assertaining the type of damage that we're talking...

IN fact we should have made an offer for the entire High Sea Fleet ;)

Yeah, that was around the time when the East Timor business was fully on. It was more about bruised egos than anything. There was a flight of 4 RAAF FA-18s & their 707 tanker flying to RAAF Butterworth in Malaysia. It's a routine flight that's been going on for decades, but the Indonesians just...

That's as far as the RAAF goes. But the RAN had either two FFGs or DDGs in theatre, along with a fleet supply ship, throughout Desert Storm. In 2003, though, the RAAF had FA-18s operating in the Iraqi adventure whilst the RAN had FFGs, a multipurpose ship, & a supply ship in theatre. And, of...

Exactly the article I was thinking of ;)

I'm sure I read an AH article, somewhere, which looked rather convincing... ;)