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    Alternate Presidential "Firsts"

    There was never a major party nominee who served on the frontline in the Korean War. The nearest we got was Dukakis, who was stationed for about a year and a half in Korea, after the ceasefire had come into effect. As mentioned above, though he was never nominated, John Glenn flew combat...
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    2018 Turtledoves - Best Cold War to Contemporary Timeline Poll FINAL

    Congrats to the top three finishers! :)
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    2018 Turtledoves: Best Finished Timeline Poll

    Vote for Uncle Scrooge; he'll have three visitations if he wins
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    Sea Lion Press New Book Releases Announcements Thread

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    WI The 2015 UK election ended in a hung parliament

    This is Chat discussion - take it to there if you're interested. CalBear sometimes kicks people for going off-topic and/or into current politics.
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    WI The 2015 UK election ended in a hung parliament

    I don't see this happening at all - one of the things the Lib Dems, particularly under Clegg, have prized themselves on was being 'responsible', in Clegg's case a 'responsible' party with governmental pretensions. They're not going to vote down a Queen's Speech simply to create a chaotic and...
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    WI The 2015 UK election ended in a hung parliament

    I don't see the Lib Dems going for Labour+SNP if Labour both lose the popular vote and finish so far behind in seats - it's against the traditional metrics the Lib Dems have used, I think Clegg explicitly talked about them as factors in 2010. It's also a lot easier for the Tories to sew up a...
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    WI The 2015 UK election ended in a hung parliament

    I'm confused - you say a 5% swing, and then provide numbers of popular vote share which aren't a 5% swing. No way in hell is electoral reform being resurrected literally only a few years after it's been overwhelmingly rejected by the electorate - the Conservatives alone would never support it...
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    List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

    That's a big hint, right there. Any particular reason why?
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    List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

    Robin Cook both serving as PM for two decades, and somehow folding Labour in the process, might be one of the strangest lists I've seen for a while. Is this another manifestation of 'Pre-Corbyn, everyone in Labour was a Tory', or something?
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    Could Tony Blair have gotten Britain into the Euro?

    Largely incorrect; see my post on Chat for a discussion of this. Though it's a nuanced issue, the public was broadly either opposed or highly sceptical until hostilities commenced. The window where the war had majority public support was actually quite small. Though the opposition deepened over...
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    Could Tony Blair have gotten Britain into the Euro?

    It's true that there would be less of a pro-outsider mood, this isn't the post-2008 era of populism, and that people would be more willing to trust the 'experts', but that works both ways in a situation when, as I've said, there would be more 'experts' lining up against entry than in 2016, and...
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    Could Tony Blair have gotten Britain into the Euro?

    A referendum passing isn't really plausible because of the reasons I outlined in post #17. The opposition to it was too consistently deep (Something with support in the twenties at the best points is almost, but not quite, genuine fringe issue territory) and Tory voters in particular would have...
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    Could Tony Blair have gotten Britain into the Euro?

    I think the difference is our attitude to Europe hadn't hardened by then and become partly a tribal thing. The situation was more protean, and both main parties had substantial anti-Membership factions. By the time the Euro became an issue, most Tory voters were strongly lined up against entry...
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    Could Tony Blair have gotten Britain into the Euro?

    Are you familiar with last year's election in this country? Voters in this country have historically tended to react very badly to single-issue snap elections, see also Heath in Feb '74. May went into that election with 'a TON of credit' and squandered it very quickly. In the case of what May...
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    Could Tony Blair have gotten Britain into the Euro?

    Tbh - no. I'm sure Brown would happily sign off on a referendum in an Iraqless second term scenario as a means of easing Blair out perhaps in exchange for a quid pro quo, I don't see that as problematic and Brown wouldn't need to be shifted to bring about a referendum, but it just wouldn't fly...
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    WI: No Reagan, but Bush in the 1980s?

    Uh, provided you ignore the party establishment being more favourable to Howard Baker? Bush had a solid campaign, particularly in Iowa, that was really what underpinned that early boom, not because he was the default option of the establishment. I think people forget how it was still the...
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    List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

    There shall be no recognition of Sinn Fein in any list as Sinn Fein does not recognise the legitimacy of this timeline. The correct timeline is one in which the Irish Republic declared in 1919 has complete dominion over the island of Ireland. Reality is pure antagonism on the part of the British...
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    What if Gordon Brown went first?

    This is very difficult to deal with, because unless you either physically remove Blair, or remove him through some huge invented scandal, then Brown doesn't really stand any chance of coming out as leader. The mood in the party was very much in favour of Blair, even almost all the Scottish...
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