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Yeah, the massive shortage of tungsteen forced the engine designers to get creative on the alloys... with the result of an engine life of under 30 hours...

Tripple the number of available fighters and trained pilots, get the 262 up at least 6 months earlier, multiply by 20 the available fuel... The main problems of the Luftwaffe in 1944 wasn't aicraft quality, but numbers: numbers of planes, numbers of pilots (specially pilots who were not trained...

Still too slow and too low; the flight path would become another "bomber stream over germany fighing of repeated attacks", only now partly over the North Sea. Much safer to sail everything to Murmanks, uncrate, assemble, and fly off.

You can't fly "direct" with such slow aircraft.

Problem would be getting all of this to them. I guess the best way would be via Murmansk. Yes, but I was thinking of maybe fiddling with this a bit...

I'm assuming this scenario plays after mid-late 1942, minimum. Before that, considering the state of the war, anyone looking at the strategic map would see Germany winning. Why would Sweden risk all then?

Afaik, the swedish air force was made up of mostly obsolete aircraft... so, not good.

:hushedface::hushedface::hushedface: ok. this is bad... had no idea. I was gamming the whole thing in my head and counting on massed torpedo launches... would the germans know this? I knew about the Wasa/Vasa (which is correct?...) but not about the Aran, but I figured the massed numbers of...

Relevant to the discussion. A poster of the swedish navy during WWII. The best ships (the Tre Kronor and Osland) show up too late, but there's still a lot of ships for a post-1940 Kriegsmarine to face, if it atempts an overwater invasion. Nothing that can really face a Admiral Hipper or a...

This would have some serious repercussions for WWII, I think... As one of the "defeated powers", Sweden would most likely be included in the Versailles treaty, specifically it's dispositions. While I don't think it would be saddled with the same monetary payments, I'd bet the military side of...

Nice to know, thanks.

/raises hand I'm just curious: how much ocean-going trade did Sweden have at the time? Because I think the Royal Navy would have something to say about that. Even if Sweden starts trading via Norway, RN naval inspections would soon put a stop to it.

Much would depend on the UK still being in the fight, and the only way to have Germany only fighting the USSR is if the UK is ok. At which point there isn't much the US can do besides use the Alaska-Siberia route to support the USSR; without the massive airbase & port called UK, there's no way...

If I remember correctly, while Hitler's charisma and "aura of victory", plus good-old prussian-style respect of orders from the Leader, kept the army following Der Fuhrer, the army hated Himmler and Bormann. And no one, by '43, had any respect for "Fat Herman (Goering", both personally or...

What would the chances be of "the army rounds them up and jails/shoots them, takes over"?

Wow, had no idea...

Wot... details please?

A week after is too soon, I think. It would be too close to D-Day, and there was so much propaganda from both sides about, that anyone from the outside might still be wondering about the outcome. If, however, you delay the decision untill late June, then things are much clearer. Not only have...

Not necessarily. Stalin knew the army was still in bad shape after both his (ahem) restructuring of the late 30s and the disastrous Finland campaign; the assault on Poland was a simple operation to carry out, a backstabing of a baddly wounded enemy, and a way to gain breathing space between the...

Yeah... there's simply too much to alter.