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9.4 Eastern Europe 1600-50
Eastern Europe 1600-50
@Stalker:
What I really could need would be a list of all the princes in the Russian lands in the year 1237, pre-battle of Kalka. I want to develop the genealogy too, but miss the resources... if you have them at hand, it would be great if you could PM them to me.
Thanks for your long comment. Here's my answer:
About the Metropolitan / Patriarch bit: Don't forget Constantinople was conquered by the Muslims earlier than OTL. Kiev replaces Constantinople in importance, a Kievan ruler marries a Byzantine princess, and so on.
Yes, Novorossiya is Siberia. And I'm aware that this was the name of a part of South Ukraine IOTL.
Chunkwo: A typo, should read "Chunkvo"
Seriously, it comes from Zhongguo = China, transcripted into Russian.
Potato saving Novgorod? Good idea. Unfortunately, it comes too late ITTL too.
And here's even more about Russia and Eastern Europe, 1600-50:
1500: (Population at this time: Vladimir 9 million, Kiev-Chernigov 10.5 million, Novorossiya 0.8 million)
1550: (Population at this time: Vladimir 12 million, Kiev-Chernigov 13.5 million, Novorossiya 2.5 million)
(Population at this time: Vladimir 16 million, Kiev-Chernigov 18 million, Novorossiya 5 million)
Since 1600: Novorossiya undergoes an amazing modernization process, introducing many advances imported from China. Except for Chinese arts and science, the changes also concern the life of the common man, like drinking tea, gambling with cards instead of dice, wearing clothes with a more Chinese style
1602: Grand Prince Pyotr of Vladimir crowned first Czar of Vladimir-Suzdal.
1604: Polish king Ludwik feels angered by the new Czar, wants to get rid of the Russian threat, starts a preventive war against Vladimir-Suzdal.
1609: Sharukan (OTL Charkov), capital of the Kipchaks / Kumans / Polovtser conquered by Kiev-Chernigov.
1610: Polish army destroyed in the battle of Kostroma.
1612: Peace of Thurau. Poland has to cede the former princedom of Smolensk to Vladimir.
1613: Chinese school of Yeniseisk expands so that everything concerning China is teached: Their language, their technologies, their culture, their strategy, their philosophy, everything. Some of this knowledge will filter to Old Russia, together with republican ideas (see below!).
1617-32: Novorussian War of Independence. When Kiev-Chernigov supports them, Vladimir has to accept that they leave. The republic of Novorossiya is founded. Capital becomes Yeniseisk.
(Population at this time: Vladimir 20 million, Kiev-Chernigov 22 million, Novorossiya 7.5 million)
1629: Novorossiya builds the first Russian dry dock at the Pacific coast, with the help of Chinese artisans, paid by money earned with otter pelts sold to China.
1637: Novorossiyans found first settlement on Ezo (OTL Hokkaido).
1638: Novorossiya gives itself the first constitution.
1644: Novorossiya claims Alyeska.
1647: Novorossiyan republic makes a contract with the Hong empire to fight the people north of the Chinese Wall. The emperor sends them strategical, scientific and technical advisors.
[post=722246]More about the Novorussian constitution[/post]
@Stalker:
What I really could need would be a list of all the princes in the Russian lands in the year 1237, pre-battle of Kalka. I want to develop the genealogy too, but miss the resources... if you have them at hand, it would be great if you could PM them to me.
Thanks for your long comment. Here's my answer:
About the Metropolitan / Patriarch bit: Don't forget Constantinople was conquered by the Muslims earlier than OTL. Kiev replaces Constantinople in importance, a Kievan ruler marries a Byzantine princess, and so on.
Yes, Novorossiya is Siberia. And I'm aware that this was the name of a part of South Ukraine IOTL.
Chunkwo: A typo, should read "Chunkvo"
Seriously, it comes from Zhongguo = China, transcripted into Russian.Potato saving Novgorod? Good idea. Unfortunately, it comes too late ITTL too.
And here's even more about Russia and Eastern Europe, 1600-50:
1500: (Population at this time: Vladimir 9 million, Kiev-Chernigov 10.5 million, Novorossiya 0.8 million)
1550: (Population at this time: Vladimir 12 million, Kiev-Chernigov 13.5 million, Novorossiya 2.5 million)
(Population at this time: Vladimir 16 million, Kiev-Chernigov 18 million, Novorossiya 5 million)
Since 1600: Novorossiya undergoes an amazing modernization process, introducing many advances imported from China. Except for Chinese arts and science, the changes also concern the life of the common man, like drinking tea, gambling with cards instead of dice, wearing clothes with a more Chinese style
1602: Grand Prince Pyotr of Vladimir crowned first Czar of Vladimir-Suzdal.
1604: Polish king Ludwik feels angered by the new Czar, wants to get rid of the Russian threat, starts a preventive war against Vladimir-Suzdal.
1609: Sharukan (OTL Charkov), capital of the Kipchaks / Kumans / Polovtser conquered by Kiev-Chernigov.
1610: Polish army destroyed in the battle of Kostroma.
1612: Peace of Thurau. Poland has to cede the former princedom of Smolensk to Vladimir.
1613: Chinese school of Yeniseisk expands so that everything concerning China is teached: Their language, their technologies, their culture, their strategy, their philosophy, everything. Some of this knowledge will filter to Old Russia, together with republican ideas (see below!).
1617-32: Novorussian War of Independence. When Kiev-Chernigov supports them, Vladimir has to accept that they leave. The republic of Novorossiya is founded. Capital becomes Yeniseisk.
(Population at this time: Vladimir 20 million, Kiev-Chernigov 22 million, Novorossiya 7.5 million)
1629: Novorossiya builds the first Russian dry dock at the Pacific coast, with the help of Chinese artisans, paid by money earned with otter pelts sold to China.
1637: Novorossiyans found first settlement on Ezo (OTL Hokkaido).
1638: Novorossiya gives itself the first constitution.
1644: Novorossiya claims Alyeska.
1647: Novorossiyan republic makes a contract with the Hong empire to fight the people north of the Chinese Wall. The emperor sends them strategical, scientific and technical advisors.
[post=722246]More about the Novorussian constitution[/post]
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