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The Empire is Dead. Long Live the Empire? The "Republic" of Manchuria and Mengjiang
Thanks to everyone for their feedback and comments
Ummmm....(remember His own personal studies in Geopolitics and Diplomacy), in fact you are right, the SCW was a more complex event who the 'official'(western) history said, and any kind of Alligment more depent of the Sudesteland Crisian and 'Danzing or war' crisis, but remember something forgotten in the war.... for a lot of people in America ,mostly commies or Isolationist Intellectuals, they considered the first phase of the WWII(Before PH) like a Imperialist-Revenged Game Between Defeated Germany and Betrayed Italy. Was the Japanesse Imperialist and PH who make the war a 'crusade' against the facism thank to the propaganda.... and TTL China doesn't have the Navy to do a PH, and that can lead to some interesting actions.........
Who says China won't have the navy
It might have the Navy (or at least a small, if inexperienced Carrier fleet - but there's absolutely no point for China to attack the United States. In fact many Chinese including Chiang's future wife and influential figure Soong Meiling hold USA in very high regard.
Again the 2nd Nothern Expedition will be the lead event to this Alternate China(both domestic and foreign), I can't wait to see it.
Again the Japanesse is the Wild Card of Asia, their Action will be can lead to: a Semi-wank Axis(aka Nazi) Victory in WWII, A Hard battle and almost phyrric Victory of the Axis, a Total defeat(like OTL) of the Axis(and maybe China remplacing Japan like the Target for the A-bomb???) or a Negociated Defeated of the Axis(but Germany and China will be punished ala Versallies OTL and that can lead more butteflies).
You're definitely right about Japan being the Wild Card of Asia. The key to the Axis' victory or defeat essentially lie in their hands (along with the USA.) Spoiler/red herring: But it's interesting the assumption that Japan will play. Perhaps KJapan can negotiate a 'honourable peace.' Without anyone bneing 'defeated.
That depend of the Action of Both Kwatung Army and later the IJA and the Military Junta of Japan, because a victorious Japan can lead to a similar OTL situation(with Japan being the Britain of Asia) or some different, but a defeated Japan(kicked out of China and even worse..... being kicked out of Korea and the KMT place a Ally Goverment in Korea Against the Japanesse(a Indepent and Axis Korea seem interesting) and the butterflies of the Dissident for the defeat can lead to a lot of possibilites to Japan.
Japan's reaction to the Northern Expedition will be... interesting (to say the least) As will the reaction of USA, France and Britain.
Hey, Hồ Chí Minh will have a very interesting role in TTL if you can use the proper butterflies, like use him to place a Indepent(Axis Satellite) Indochina Post Fall of France and that will be cause a lot of butterflies.
Somethin who I like for TTL is that the butterflies are massives, and can lead to a lot of mental excersises to search for the Proper Butterfiles to make the TL pausable and not a ASB or wank.
well keep there, if you need advice don't forget to ask via post or PM, we're going always to help.
Thanks - Ho chi Minh will play a reading role. He might even be a viewpoint character in the narrative I'm writing.
Att
Nivek Beldo
P.S. what will be the things that Chiang will learn in his visit to germany(and viceversa)???... maybe about the new 'radicalism' of this old friend, or the necessity of Panzer for the war???
Chiang will learn... a lot of things. He'll learn a lot of modern propaganda techniques that will allow the KMT to become more centralizing and dare I say it "Totalitarian"
The Empire is Dead. Long Live the Empire? The "Republic" of Manchuria and Mengjiang
The Northern "Republic" of China was ruled by Zhang Zuolin - an ambitious warlord who desired to increase his power and influence, using any means neccessary. A brutal pragmatist, Zhang dealt with the Kuomintang, the Japanese, The Soviet Union, Communists, Trotskyists, Germany, Italy, France, Great Britain, the League of Nations, bandits, warlords, smugglers and anyone else who might be conceivably of use.
Zhang Zuolin the ruler of Manchuria. President of China and "Protector" of Mongolia.
Although Zhang had been in control of Manchuria since the First World War, he had been initially uninterested in the events of the rest of China, preferring to consolidate his rule in Manchuria. What had formerly been one of China's most backward and poor provinces was turned into, by 1926 one of the most industrialized regions. Zhang consolidated his power in the region, steadily building his Army and building links with international powers.
It was in 1924 that Zhang finally began to look beyond his borders. Yan Xishan's Presidency was greeted with distaste by the various warlords in Inner Mongolia who ressented Yan's efforts at centralizing. Yan wanted to expand the lands controlled by the central government to Inner Mongolia (which was divided and weakly held by feuding warlords. After weeks of intensive negotiation, the warlords in Manchuoko asked for Zhang's protection in return for autonomy. Zhang agreed taking on the title "Protector of Mongolia." A group of legislators from Beijing, dissatisfied with Yan's failure to properly grease their palms came to Zhang and elected him as the "President of China."
Zhang caught another break when Japan, annoyed by Yan's attempts to expel them from their extra-concession land in Shangdong reacted angrily by withdrawing recognition from Yan's government in favour of Zhang. However, Zhang wanted to be more than President, he harbored dynastic ambitions. In Zhang's mind, the key to the restoration of China to it's rightful place in the world was for a new righteous dynasty which had obviously gained the 'mandate of heaven.' To many observers in China it was clear who he was referring to.
Zhang's military forces was not to be triffled with. Manchuria had an Air force and a powerful army- trained and backed by Japanese advisors. It's navy included 1 ex-Imperial German marine battleship and several other large ships.
Zhang would be the deciding factor over the future of China - which way would he go?
Next Update: The Northern Expedition (First Phase)
(Feedback and comments always appreciated - actually solicited)
Ummmm....(remember His own personal studies in Geopolitics and Diplomacy), in fact you are right, the SCW was a more complex event who the 'official'(western) history said, and any kind of Alligment more depent of the Sudesteland Crisian and 'Danzing or war' crisis, but remember something forgotten in the war.... for a lot of people in America ,mostly commies or Isolationist Intellectuals, they considered the first phase of the WWII(Before PH) like a Imperialist-Revenged Game Between Defeated Germany and Betrayed Italy. Was the Japanesse Imperialist and PH who make the war a 'crusade' against the facism thank to the propaganda.... and TTL China doesn't have the Navy to do a PH, and that can lead to some interesting actions.........
Who says China won't have the navy
It might have the Navy (or at least a small, if inexperienced Carrier fleet - but there's absolutely no point for China to attack the United States. In fact many Chinese including Chiang's future wife and influential figure Soong Meiling hold USA in very high regard.Again the 2nd Nothern Expedition will be the lead event to this Alternate China(both domestic and foreign), I can't wait to see it.
Again the Japanesse is the Wild Card of Asia, their Action will be can lead to: a Semi-wank Axis(aka Nazi) Victory in WWII, A Hard battle and almost phyrric Victory of the Axis, a Total defeat(like OTL) of the Axis(and maybe China remplacing Japan like the Target for the A-bomb???) or a Negociated Defeated of the Axis(but Germany and China will be punished ala Versallies OTL and that can lead more butteflies).
You're definitely right about Japan being the Wild Card of Asia. The key to the Axis' victory or defeat essentially lie in their hands (along with the USA.) Spoiler/red herring: But it's interesting the assumption that Japan will play. Perhaps KJapan can negotiate a 'honourable peace.' Without anyone bneing 'defeated.
That depend of the Action of Both Kwatung Army and later the IJA and the Military Junta of Japan, because a victorious Japan can lead to a similar OTL situation(with Japan being the Britain of Asia) or some different, but a defeated Japan(kicked out of China and even worse..... being kicked out of Korea and the KMT place a Ally Goverment in Korea Against the Japanesse(a Indepent and Axis Korea seem interesting) and the butterflies of the Dissident for the defeat can lead to a lot of possibilites to Japan.
Japan's reaction to the Northern Expedition will be... interesting (to say the least) As will the reaction of USA, France and Britain.
Hey, Hồ Chí Minh will have a very interesting role in TTL if you can use the proper butterflies, like use him to place a Indepent(Axis Satellite) Indochina Post Fall of France and that will be cause a lot of butterflies.
Somethin who I like for TTL is that the butterflies are massives, and can lead to a lot of mental excersises to search for the Proper Butterfiles to make the TL pausable and not a ASB or wank.
well keep there, if you need advice don't forget to ask via post or PM, we're going always to help.
Thanks - Ho chi Minh will play a reading role. He might even be a viewpoint character in the narrative I'm writing.
Att
Nivek Beldo
P.S. what will be the things that Chiang will learn in his visit to germany(and viceversa)???... maybe about the new 'radicalism' of this old friend, or the necessity of Panzer for the war???
Chiang will learn... a lot of things. He'll learn a lot of modern propaganda techniques that will allow the KMT to become more centralizing and dare I say it "Totalitarian"
The Empire is Dead. Long Live the Empire? The "Republic" of Manchuria and Mengjiang
The Northern "Republic" of China was ruled by Zhang Zuolin - an ambitious warlord who desired to increase his power and influence, using any means neccessary. A brutal pragmatist, Zhang dealt with the Kuomintang, the Japanese, The Soviet Union, Communists, Trotskyists, Germany, Italy, France, Great Britain, the League of Nations, bandits, warlords, smugglers and anyone else who might be conceivably of use.
Zhang Zuolin the ruler of Manchuria. President of China and "Protector" of Mongolia.
Although Zhang had been in control of Manchuria since the First World War, he had been initially uninterested in the events of the rest of China, preferring to consolidate his rule in Manchuria. What had formerly been one of China's most backward and poor provinces was turned into, by 1926 one of the most industrialized regions. Zhang consolidated his power in the region, steadily building his Army and building links with international powers.
It was in 1924 that Zhang finally began to look beyond his borders. Yan Xishan's Presidency was greeted with distaste by the various warlords in Inner Mongolia who ressented Yan's efforts at centralizing. Yan wanted to expand the lands controlled by the central government to Inner Mongolia (which was divided and weakly held by feuding warlords. After weeks of intensive negotiation, the warlords in Manchuoko asked for Zhang's protection in return for autonomy. Zhang agreed taking on the title "Protector of Mongolia." A group of legislators from Beijing, dissatisfied with Yan's failure to properly grease their palms came to Zhang and elected him as the "President of China."
Zhang caught another break when Japan, annoyed by Yan's attempts to expel them from their extra-concession land in Shangdong reacted angrily by withdrawing recognition from Yan's government in favour of Zhang. However, Zhang wanted to be more than President, he harbored dynastic ambitions. In Zhang's mind, the key to the restoration of China to it's rightful place in the world was for a new righteous dynasty which had obviously gained the 'mandate of heaven.' To many observers in China it was clear who he was referring to.
Zhang's military forces was not to be triffled with. Manchuria had an Air force and a powerful army- trained and backed by Japanese advisors. It's navy included 1 ex-Imperial German marine battleship and several other large ships.
Zhang would be the deciding factor over the future of China - which way would he go?
Next Update: The Northern Expedition (First Phase)
(Feedback and comments always appreciated - actually solicited)
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