Something Serious Has Happened on Air Force One (a Tl/story by Geon)

We table the bill and there’ll be violence we try to get the bill passed and there’ll be violence.

On the one hand, if there's going to be violence no matter what you do, then (try to) do the right thing.
On the other hand, it maybe could be argued that pro-Civil Rights protesters (the likely victims of violence sans CRB) are accepting a risk by choosing to protest in the current environment, whereas churchgoers getting blown up by domestic terrorists are not.
On the gripping hand, give Wallace et al a chance to keep things under control with their various state forces. If they can't, then send in the Feds.
 
A reminder for non-American readers: "To "Table" a bill in the United States means to put it aside, usually without a vote, as a way to make it quietly Go Away. (A common tactic at Town Meeting in small New England towns. Later, near the end of the meeting, after some people had got tired and gone home, someone might move to take it off the table, and get it passed.)
In Britain, at least in times passed, "To table the bill" meant to get it going, work on it.
I remember reading about an incident in world war II when the British suggesed tabling some mutual cooperation measure, so the Americans said sure, and treated it as tabled. The confusion got cleared up.
I thought I'd mention the difference explicitly to avoid confusion.
Have the charges on the released Dallas officers been dropped in a way that they can't be reinstated, or just quietly let fade?
 
"Things are just too unsettled right now. Better they should work to improve things in their own communities then come down here and possibly face violence. Things are just too volatile now.” - wise words Dr. King.

"Former Sheriff Jim Clark" - you'd think he'd only get a job flipping burgers, but I bet the KKK made sure he was ok even if through indirect means.

One can only the year is more peaceful than the politicians here are predicting...
 
"Things are just too unsettled right now. Better they should work to improve things in their own communities then come down here and possibly face violence. Things are just too volatile now.” - wise words Dr. King.

"Former Sheriff Jim Clark" - you'd think he'd only get a job flipping burgers, but I bet the KKK made sure he was ok even if through indirect means.

One can only the year is more peaceful than the politicians here are predicting...
Flipping burgers? He'll be nominated for office rather quickly.
 
Chapter Twenty-Six: Guardian Angels

Geon

Donor
I’m worried for Minnie May‘s safety. She’s an icon of interracial harmony, and in those days, that seldom ended well.

ric350
@ric350 Your post above was the inspiration for this chapter!

Chapter Twenty-Six: Guardian Angels​

Montgomery, Alabama; January 9th, 1964; late afternoon:

It was getting dark as Miss Minnie May left the jail where she had brought her weekly pies to both Billy Robert and to the police officers that so kindly allowed her in every week.

Minnie May had quickly become a favorite among the prisoners. She sat and talked with both Billy Robert and some of the other prisoners. And she brought two fresh baked pies each week for Billy Robert and his “friends” in prison as well as for the police who guarded them.

The elderly Minnie May hated all the fuss the newspapers made about her dubbing her, “The Montgomery Pie Lady.” She allowed one interview with the local papers but after that refused “further such nonsense,” as she called it. “I’m just doing what I know the good Lord would want me to do,” she declared to anyone who would listen.

Now she was on her way to her car which she had left parked a few blocks away. In her mind her foremost thoughts were on what kind of pies she would bake for her next weekly visit. She still had some of that homemade apple pie filling left from last fall, and she also had enough pecans for a southern pecan pie which the police at the jail loved.

But, while Miss Minnie May was contemplating what to bake for next week, two men were watching her from across the street. Men who were determined to teach a lesson to Minnie May and “her kind” about mixing the races.

That lesson would involve taking Miss Minnie May and forcing her into their car further down the street. Then driving her to a field in the country where “the lesson” would be administered

At a nod from one of the men the two walked across the street and began to approach from behind Miss Minnie May.

Miss Minnie May was oblivious of their approach until she heard a loud yelp behind her. She turned around to see the two men that had been stalking her being handcuffed by two police officers even as two plain clothes officers came up to check on her.

“Now Miss Minnie May,,” said one of the plainclothes men, “you know you should keep your eyes open around here.”

“Oh, mercy!” A startled Minnie May said. “Well, thank you kindly, Officer Peterson.” Officer Peterson was one of the plainclothes officers whom Minnie had gotten to know during her weekly visits.

“Well, we can’t very well have the best pie baker in Montgomery get hurt now can we,” said the plainclothes officer. Even as he spoke the two uniformed officers were taking the two would-be kidnapers away to a waiting squad car.

“Ever since you started delivering your ever-so-delicious pies well the boys down here at the station were concerned with you walking back to your car alone and all. So, some of us hang around in this area to keep an eye on things.”

“Oh, you are the sweetest boys,” exclaimed Miss Minnie May. Later she would say, when a journalist finally persuaded her to tell her story in a three part article that would be published in several national newspapers that at that moment Officer Peterson, with his cornsilk blond hair looked just like a guardian angel to me.”

“Now, let me escort you to your car and we’ll see about one of our police officers escorting you home,” Officer Patterson said smiling.

Minnie May said, “Well, then, I suppose I’m going to have to do three pies next week for you boys and for Billy Robert!”

No one was going to mess with Miss Minnie May, if the Montgomery Police Department had anything to say about it.
 
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“No one was going to mess with Miss Minnie May, if the Montgomery Police Department had anything to say about it.”

Hooray for Human decency!
 
@ric350 Your post above was the inspiration for this chapter!

Chapter Twenty-Six: Guardian Angels​

Montgomery, Alabama; January 9th, 1964; late afternoon:

It was getting dark as Miss Minnie May left the jail where she had brought her weekly pies to both Billy Robert and to the police officers that so kindly allowed her in every week.

Minnie May had quickly become a favorite among the prisoners. She sat and talked with both Billy Robert and some of the other prisoners. And she brought two fresh baked pies each week for Billy Robert and his “friends” in prison as well as for the police who guarded them.

The elderly Minnie May hated all the fuss the newspapers made about her dubbing her, “The Montgomery Pie Lady.” She allowed one interview with the local papers but after that refused “further such nonsense,” as she called it. “I’m just doing what I know the good Lord would want me to do,” she declared to anyone who would listen.

Now she was on her way to her car which she had left parked a few blocks away. In her mind her foremost thoughts were on what kind of pies she would bake for her next weekly visit. She still had some of that homemade apple pie filling left from last fall, and she also had enough pecans for a southern pecan pie which the police at the jail loved.

But, while Miss Minnie May was contemplating what to bake for next week, two men were watching her from across the street. Men who were determined to teach a lesson to Minnie May and “her kind” about mixing the races.

That lesson would involve taking Miss Minnie May and forcing her into their car further down the street. Then driving her to a field in the country where “the lesson” would be administered

At a nod from one of the men the two walked across the street and began to approach from behind Miss Minnie May.

Miss Minnie May was oblivious of their approach until she heard a loud yelp behind her. She turned around to see the two men that had been stalking her being handcuffed by two police officers even as two plain clothes officers came up to check on her.

“Now Miss Minnie May,,” said one of the plainclothes men, “you know you should keep your eyes open around here.”

“Oh, mercy!” A startled Minnie May said. “Well, thank you kindly, Officer Peterson.” Officer Peterson was one of the plainclothes officers whom Minnie had gotten to know during her weekly visits.

“Well, we can’t very well have the best pie baker in Montgomery get hurt now can we,” said the plainclothes officer. Even as he spoke the two uniformed officers were taking the two would-be kidnapers away to a waiting squad car.

“Ever since you started delivering your ever-so-delicious pies well the boys down here at the station were concerned with you walking back to your car alone and all. So, some of us hang around in this area to keep an eye on things.”

“Oh, you are the sweetest boys,” exclaimed Miss Minnie May. Later she would say, when a journalist finally persuaded her to tell her story in a three part article that would be published in several national newspapers that at that moment Officer Patterson, with his cornsilk blond hair looked just like a guardian angel to me.”

“Now, let me escort you to your car and we’ll see about one of our police officers escorting you home,” Officer Patterson said smiling.

Minnie May said, “Well, then, I suppose I’m going to have to do three pies next week for you boys and for Billy Robert!”

No one was going to mess with Miss Minnie May, if the Montgomery Police Department had anything to say about it.
Great Chapter! Reminds me of a less fortunate instance from an episode of FBI Files in Mississippi where 3 Civil Rights Activists were murdered by members of the KKK in league with local police. The instigators were arrested but not all were found guilty and those who were found guilty were given minimal sentences ranging between 3-10 years for violating the Civil Rights Act with not a single one tried for murder.

 
Chapter Twenty Seven: More on Politics

Geon

Donor
Chapter Twenty-Eight: More on Politics​

On January 10, 1964, Nelson Rockefeller formally announced he was campaigning for the presidency. Rockefeller became the second Republican candidate to formally declare himself. The first had been Barry Goldwater.

With the deaths of both President Kennedy and Vice-President Johnson, the presidential campaign for 1964 had been thrown into turmoil. Democrats were scrambling to choose a candidate that would allow them to hold the White House after McCormack made it crystal clear he would not be running.

There was a strong “draft Bobby” movement building in DNC, but Bobby Kennedy had already made it very clear he would not run in 1964. And Ted Kennedy was still too young and inexperienced to even consider.

There was also a growing movement dubbed ABW an acronym for Anyone but Wallace. While a large block of southern conservative Democrats laid their hopes on George Wallace more moderate southern Democrats were supporting Texas Governor John Connally.

As of mid-January 1964 the Republican field was limited to two candidates, Nelson Rockefeller and Barry Goldwater. Two more Republican candidates would join by the end of the month, Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr. and William W. Scranton. Odds were heavy on either Rockefeller or Goldwater winning the nomination.

On the Democratic side of the equation there were four declared candidates: Hubert Humphrey, Gov. Wallace, Gov. Connally, and Averell Harriman.

None of the Democratic candidates could count on the “Kennedy magic” to help them this time. And with Johnson gone the South was up for grabs.

Whoever wanted to carry the South knew they would have to deal with a large conservative base there. Many democratic voters had already made it clear that if Humphrey won the nomination, they would vote Republican or stay away from the polls in November.

In the North the issues of jobs and economy meant that Rockefeller and Goldwater might well split the vital northern industrial states, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and New York.

A series of polls taken at the end of January were somewhat revealing.

When southerner Democratic voters were asked to choose who they would vote for between Wallace and Connally the response was:

Connally: 42%
Wallace: 55%
Undecided 3%

When northern Democratic voters were asked who they would choose between Humphrey, and Harriman the results were:

Humphrey: 39%
Harriman: 18%
Undecided: 43%

The Republican race in the North was fairly close between Rockefeller and Goldwater. When asked who they would want as President, northern Republicans said:

Goldwater: 33%
Rockefeller 40%
Lodge: 8%
Undecided: 19%

Republican poll numbers in the south were in the single digit range for all three candidates with a large percentage 85% in the undecided category.

Finally in an overall poll of voters from both parties, if the election were held today who would be chosen as president the results were ambiguous at best.

Humphrey: 30%
Rockefeller: 25%
Wallace: 20%
Connally: 18%
Goldwater: 5%
Harriman: 1%
Lodge: 1%



The months when the primaries were held in this unusual election year would prove to be pivotal for all the candidates. And events around the nation and the world would also prove equally important as the ripples from the events of November 22, 1963 continued.
 
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When northern Democratic voters were asked who they would choose between Humphrey, Rockefeller, and Harriman the results were:
I assume you meant Humphrey and Harriman since Rockefeller is a candidate for the Republican nomination.
The Republican race in the North was fairly close between Rockefeller and Humphrey. When asked who they would want as President, northern Republicans said:
I think you meant Rockefeller, Goldwater, and Lodge instead of Rockefeller and Humphrey since Humphrey is on the Democratic side of the primaries.
 

marathag

Banned
No one was going to mess with Miss Minnie May, if the Montgomery Police Department had anything to say about it
like this?

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Remind me - where's Nixon, Stevenson Symington? Harriman was surely too old .
Nixon pledged during his run for Governor of California in 1962 that he would not run for President in 1964, Stevenson was humiliated by the Bay of Pigs Invasion, unsure of Symington, Harriman lives until 1986 but I agree he’s to old at 72.
 

Geon

Donor
And Symington would be a disaster. He was not in favor of the civil rights bill and openly avoided meeting with Dr. King and other civil rights leaders. In this scenario he would be an absolute disaster for the Democrats.
Remind me - where's Nixon, Stevenson Symington? Harriman was surely too old .
 

marktaha

Banned
And Symington would be a disaster. He was not in favor of the civil rights bill and openly avoided meeting with Dr. King and other civil rights leaders. In this scenario he would be an absolute disaster for the Democrats.
Surely he was seen as a potential compromise choice in 1960-and didn't he vote for the 1964 Act?
 

Geon

Donor
Surely he was seen as a potential compromise choice in 1960-and didn't he vote for the 1964 Act?
You are correct. He did vote for the civil rights act. I stand corrected. Still, he was a relative unknown, And his being pro-civil rights act might not endear him to the conservative Democrats. In the above scenario the party wants someone who can win over the South without alienating the North. I honestly don't see Symington doing that. Also, the Democratic Party is frankly terrified Wallace will get the nomination. They want a candidate who can beat the popular - for now - Wallace in the south.

Also, Symington from what little I read had an "eccentric" streak that might provide some embarrassment to the Party if he got the nomination.
 
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