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Belgian Cuba.



Explain. NOW.
Because in 1837, there were negotiations on the part of Spain, in the throes of the Carlist wars, and in order to be able to finance this war effort, to sell its colony which brings in the most money, Cuba. Belgium had shown interest but there were 2 problems: Britain was opposed because the colony already had its own culture, and because Belgium itself had just gained its independence, which was not yet officially recognized. However, I think that if Brussels had repeated its request in 1860-61, it could have gone. It is still necessary that the Spaniards accept.
 
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This map was based on ilcuboesperantista What The Fuck: The TL map. A Virgin Earth would a portal open up and transport several different universes onto the planet, conveniently in the shape of a latitude quadrant.

Credits for all the timelines I used are on the map.

Credit to LNSS for the Tamriel map.

Credit to RvBOMally for the Man in the High Castle map.
 
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This map was based on ilcuboesperantista What The Fuck: The TL map. A Virgin Earth would a portal open up and transport several different universes onto the planet, conveniently in the shape of a latitude quadrant.

Credits for all the timelines I used are on the map.

Credit to LNSS for the Tamriel map.

Credit to RvBOMally for the Man in the High Castle map.
what happens to the quadrents where sea-level is higher/lower? Does the water drain in/out when time starts up, is there a barrier that keeps the water from crossing the barrier, or is the elevation adjusted to compensate for the difference in sea level?

As a side note, I think it would have been hilarious if one country divided into two quadrants just happened to have the exact same government, like Sweden North and Sweden South just so happened to be both constitutional Monarchies led by King Karl XVI Gustav
 
Quick rough concept sketch for "A Brighter Sunrise," a timeline in which the Japanese government is more likely to apologize (unequivocally) to China and Korea for atrocities committed before and during WWII, and ends up better off than in OTL.
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Clifton B. Parker said:
Geopolitics makes the Japanese case different than Germany's, [Daniel Sneider] said. Germany confronted its wartime past so it could reassert German leadership in Europe at a time when a unified Cold War stand against the Soviet Union encouraged reconciliation.
On the other hand, Japan, at the urging of the United States, was positioned in a long-term Cold War confrontation with its principal victim in World War II, China. As a result, little motivation existed for Japan to look deeply at its atrocities against China, Sneider said.

The smaller "Bamboo Curtain" (Soviet-influenced Manchuria, Mongolia, and East Turkestan) incentivizes reconciliation between the Republic of China, Korea, and Japan, instead of causing a red scare that enables Japanese war criminals and revisionists back into power.
While the US occupation believes retaining the Japanese monarchy is necessary for stability, Hirohito abdicates, allowing the new government to distance itself from the old regime. The Heisei era starts in the 1950s instead of 1989.
The two Chinas reunite after the Cold War, leading to more sincere apologies from Japan on the crimes of Unit 731.

The Korean War still happens to stimulate Japan's recovery (but the south wins), and the bubble economy and lost decades are averted because Japan is not as dependent on the US for trade.
A stronger left-leaning (but not authoritarian socialist) presence in the Japanese Diet combined with competition with China leads to more economic and social reforms in the workplace and daily life.
Today, Japan's electronics industry is still globally competitive, and they also have a crewed spacecraft called "Fuji."

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A Map of the Central Sea of the Mexican Empire
Kalta Đ Sēntro Bār Đ lo Impelio Bīkinkano
[ˈkaɭta d̪eː ˈseː̃tɾɤ baːɾ d̪eː lɤ ˈĩpelio ˈbiːkĩkãno]

Lands of Infidels
Kalulidā [ˈkaɽuɭid̪aː] - Caroline
Pays Đ los Pelosbōdtal [pai̯s d̪eː lɤ ˈpeɭɤsboːdːal] - Land of the Dog-riders


Lands of the Empire
Flūlidā [ˈfluːɽid̪aː] - Florida
Tīkas [ˈtiːkas] - Texas
Yūqontan [ˈʝuːkʷõtã] - Yucatan
Kubā [ˈkubaː] - Cuba
Baya Đ Tabāsko [bai̯a d̪eː ˈtabaːskɤ] - Bay of Tabasco / Campeche
Baya Đ Lobō [bai̯a d̪eː ˈlobɤː] - Bay of Lobos
Baya Đ Bīsisimpi [bai̯a d̪eː ˈbiːsisĩpʲi] - Bay of Mississippi




Following a large-scale nuclear conflict in the 1980s, North America and the world would be changed forever. Through famine, rising sea levels, and years of global winter, the global south would rise to prominence. The key player in North America, the Mexican Empire is a stunning example of southern powers overcoming the odds, and has stood as the supreme polity in North and Central America for nearly 500 years.
 
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For Randy Mcdonald's "Communaute Globale" ( https://web.archive.org/web/20051228045350/http://www.ahtg.net/alterframe.html : see "Worlds of the ITA" in the lefthand box)

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Although diverging from our world as early as the 17th century with the survival of New Amsterdam, this TL remained broadly convergent with our own until the revolutionary era in spite of the French success in holding onto Louisiana and Canada. After the non-event of the American revolution (postponed due to the continued Frenchie Menace), an alt-French revolution broke out in 1792, leading to the Age of Revolution, which lasted till 1836. Britain would be crushed 1805-1817, in what is referred to as "The humbling of England", and Napoleon became master of Europe west of a rump Brandenburg-Prussia and an isolated Russia. The Napoleonic dynasty would not last, however, a resurgence of radical republicanism overthrowing and guillotining Napoleon II, and defeating attempts at restoring the Old Order west of Bavaria.

A bunch of royals fled to the Americas, with the Bourbons ending up in Canada, the Braganzas (as OTL) in Brazil and the line of Sax-Coburg and Gotha settling in the northern British colonies. For a while George IV was the ruling of both the New England and Virginia colonies, but republican (and pro-slavery) forces came to the fore in the south, and Virginia went it's own way. Spanish America fell to revolution.

A new order arose in Europe, fiercely republican, economically leftist, and dedicated to the notion of the equality of all humans, regardless of gender or skin color. It would not be without it's teething pains, but by the end of the 20th century it had bloomed into a transnational political forum, economic union, and mutual defense league known as the Communaute Globale. (There is a common currency, the Occidental Franc). There is ambition to extend it to a world government, but the countries of Asia have been slow to join up, preferring where a strong confluence of interests exists to adopt a position of "association" with the communaute rather than full membership. A predominantly European and American organization, if with a strong presence in Africa, the communaute is sometimes referred to as the "Occident" or "Occidental Powers."

In opposition to the Communaute are the Autocratic great powers of Russia and Japan. Russian autocracy, bolstered by Orthodox religiosity and xenophobia, has managed to survive the ideological challenge, and given relative numbers (Russia's demographic transition was rather later than Republican Europe's) has been able to hold its own militarily, if losing some territory around the edges. Japan, OTOH,was forced open by the navy of Napoleonic France earlier than OTL, and responded with vengeful vigor as soon as Paris's attention was distracted by the decapitation of an Emperor. After the collapse of Qing China [1]Japan sought to make itself the leader of Asia, and in the 1950's the biggest war in centuries broke out, as Japanese efforts to extend its control led to a brutal war between Japan and several western powers led by France (retrospectively known as the Occidento-Japanese war) which soon expanded to the Americas, where the states of Virginia and New England tried to take advantage of the distraction to gain control of all the lands east of the Mississippi and south of the Great Lakes.

The allied nations were hampered in their efforts by the need to keep massive forces in Europe to keep the restive Russian giant at bay, and while after a horrendous bloodbath New England and Virginia were defeated in detail, Japan managed to pull off a negotiated peace which left eastern Siberia, Korea and Hawaii under the thumb of Edo. The limited victory and arguments about "who lost the war" led to political turmoil in much of the western world and a political rejection of the former establishment, leading to a renewed era of republican radicalism and the formation of a closer, more unified grouping of republican nations which would become in time the modern communaute.

It is in some ways a weaker block than the NATO/NAFTA/northeast Asian democratic-capitalist block of our world, if more widely spread. More fragmented and with no single "superpower" member, it is also less populous overall than the same area OTL. Some of the factors which slowed French population growth after the Revolutionary era (property laws, etc.) were duplicated, but more widely a commitment to universal education and human rights, raising the standard of living of the urban poor and peasantry, etc. led to an earlier demographic transition, and similar effects spread to the Americas and much of Africa. Settler colonies had fewer immigrants, the not-so-wretched masses often breathing fairly free at home, and colonization of the non-European world, without the racist convictions of our world, petered out at an earlier stage than OTL.

(Not that there wasn't a rise in "scientific" racism over the course of the 19th century. However, the levelling and universalist ideas of the Revolution, and the continued adherence to the Age of Reason notion of the perfectibility and unity of humankind helped act as something of an immunizing factor. Thinking in notions of inherently "superior" and "inferior" humans was anathema to many of the intellectual leaders of the revolutionary period.)

Rather more "indigenous" nations survived into modern times or managed to gain or (regain) independence, including Australian aborigines, which adopted cattle and sheep domestication and moved away from hunter-gatherer lifestyles (often, alas, at the expensive of other tribes which _didn't_)

Technology is advanced, although perhaps a bit weak compared to OTL in fields where economies of scale are important. Atomic weapons weren't invented until much later, and international treaties so far have kept them few in number. Computer tech and the biological sciences are in some ways more developed than OTL at this time, and there is a well developed Occidental "internet" (and a firmly firewalled Japanese Imperial one), although there is as yet no such things as "social media" (and if such is ever developed, it won't be the private property of a few corporate titans).


While democratic, this world is prone to political turmoil and violence, and even within the most developed nations protest and strikes and the occasional riot are seen as healthy phenomena, indicative of a populace politically active and ready to assert its rights. Multiple civil wars are currently under way in poorer and less democratic nations, and the division between the nations of the communaute - which in turn vary from constitutional monarchies with mildly social-democratic economies to authoritarian "neo-jacobin" republics and a couple states pursuing something like anarcho-socialism - and the Autocracies and other non-democratic states is sharp and uncompromising.

(Although generally more leftist than OTLs first world - especially OTL after the 1970s - capitalism flourishes in much of the world, only kept under enough control to prevent the formation of oligarchic capture of the levers of government. In some ways the market is rather freer in this world's north America than ours - it is not dominated by monopolies and near-monopolies, and there is much more competition both local and international.)

[1] The particular humiliations of OTL, such as the Opium War, were not duplicated, but China suffered as OTL from a population pushing the Malthusian limits and late dynastic ruler decay and pressure from Japan and Russia, and while the Republican nations weren't as rapacious towards China as the Great Powers of OTL, they disliked China's autocratic "old regime" even more, and vigorously spread revolutionary ideas in hopes of seeing it replaced by a more democratic state or states.
 
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This map was based on ilcuboesperantista What The Fuck: The TL map. A Virgin Earth would a portal open up and transport several different universes onto the planet, conveniently in the shape of a latitude quadrant.

Credits for all the timelines I used are on the map.

Credit to LNSS for the Tamriel map.

Credit to RvBOMally for the Man in the High Castle map.
Does being included on a post like this mean you've Made It on this forum? Love to see my Large Armenian Son living his best life.
 
Rather more "indigenous" nations survived into modern times or managed to gain or (regain) independence, including Australian aborigines, which adopted cattle and sheep domestication and moved away from hunter-gatherer lifestyles (often, alas, at the expensive of other tribes which _didn't_)
Is this paralleling what the Khoisan peoples did IOTL?
 
Splintered Faiths: Europe's Religious Situation in 1815 AD.

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The year is 1815. 5 years after the defeat of the Holy Crusaders of Rome, the situation in Europe is quiet. The Shiite successor of the Eastern Roman Empire, the Turkish led Empire of Rum slowly recovered after the devastation of its Balkan regions, whilst the Sultanate of Sicily devolved into utter piracy against any Christian boat it came across. The Three Sisters of North Africa lay quiet and dormant, catching their breath after the 22 Year Long Conflict of Religious Vendetta. The Sultanate of Al-Andalus lay quiet, digesting its annexed territories as well. Meanwhile to the north, the situation of the Church of Hus, the first reformist Christians was not doing well, with the Kingdom of Bohemia-Silesia remaining the last bastion of Hus Christianity. In Northern Germany and Scandinavia, the Reformist Christians of the Germans and Scandinavians consolidated their centralized realms, whilst the followers of Autemic Christianity in Albion, Brittany, Albion, Eire and the Dutch consolidated their growing overseas empires. The Three Buddhist Diamonds of Europe - the Khanate of Poland, the Khanate of Prussia and Khanate of Lithuania (all of whom converted to Buddhism gradually over the time period of Mongol domination from 1240 - 1345) remained allied with one another, warily eying the growing giant to the east. The fateful decision of Vladimir the Great to convert to Islam for the Kyievan Rus solidified the religion in the Slavic East, whilst the last bastion of Tengriism, the Khanate of Crimea, continued its solitary yet rich rule as the hub of the Black Sea. The Great Century of Standoffs was about to begin..........

Thoughts?
 
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This map was based on ilcuboesperantista What The Fuck: The TL map. A Virgin Earth would a portal open up and transport several different universes onto the planet, conveniently in the shape of a latitude quadrant.

Credits for all the timelines I used are on the map.

Credit to LNSS for the Tamriel map.

Credit to RvBOMally for the Man in the High Castle map.
It would be interesting to see how this world looks after a few decades or a century or something, how these states from various universes interact with their neighbors
 
The following is a fairly simple map depicting the Mediterranean and near east after the fall of the Roman Empire during a sort of parallel to the Napoleonic Wars. British involvement in the war started out because of their policy of standing against any one European power dominating the continent, something the Romans had achieved to extents not fully shown. There was also interesting in trade and domination in the region, the British essentially playing a similar role to the Venetians.

The British ability to capture the land they did was somewhat by accident, and couldn't have been achieved had they not been supported by a Bulgarian breakaway state. The collapse of the reigning dynasty of the Roman Empire and the sudden capture of much land cause a commotion in London, with two sides forming to decide where to go from there, with a narrow victory for those who sought to split what they conquered up into their own satellite states, starting the Anglokratia . The British would manage to get one of their big goals in the region, control over Sicily, much to the annoyance of the liberated French who also had ambitions in Italy. The two sides agreed to split the peninsula between their own two puppet states, with the Duchy of Latium being established as a neutral buffer state.

The British split their conquest in two by handing the realms to two Princes of the British King, the oldest of the two received Constantinople and much of Thrace and adjacent lands, while the younger brother was given Greece, Albania, and Macedonia. These two states were effectively independent but were in the British sphere of influence and allowed the British to expand their influence greatly. The older brother was not content to being merely a King, and his successor would fight a war to make the King of Greece his vassal, with pretensions of reforming the Roman Empire.

Bulgaria rose at the expense of the Romans, and while they were initial allies of the British, they would in time show that they were more than willing to change sides when needed. Bulgaria would make several attempts at Constantinople, and would successfully conquer up north eating the Vlach states in the north. The Serbians were initially to be ruled by the Bulgarians, but rebelled almost immediately, the Bulgarians decided not to fight to hard for the area, soon deciding to consolidate their gains and wait until the conditions were more favorable. Montenegro would expand at Serbia's expense at this time, being a firm British aligned state, they were not particularly notable for these decades, beyond being a place for British troops to land.

What remained of the prior dynasty survives in Pergamon and controls much of western Anatolia, an element that allowed the Empire to fall came to a civil war in the east, with the usurper governing out of Iconium. A Resurgent Trebizond formed at the expense of the two and would compete in Crimea against the British, although both sides lost it to the Russians. Armenia became a massive power at this time, having quickly taken some of the easternmost territories of the Roman Empire, this new Armenian Empire was still a continuation of a union between Armenia and Georgia, Armenia would spend the next several decades fighting against Alania and the Persians before being conquered by a resurrected Roman Empire.

Syria at this time broke away into a new Kingdom; the largest religion in the Kingdom is Islam, but the country was firmly "Roman" and kept to that greater identity, although the Kingdom would never have pretensions of fighting over Constantinople. The bane of the British in the region, whether that be their puppet states or just London itself, would be the Alexandrian Empire. Much of what remained of the Roman navy had fled to Alexandria, and they had constant access to the Empire's ally Ethiopia which had shown itself to be capable of shrugging off British attacks. Alexandria showed some interest in reunifying the Empire, but was more focused on itself, and wasn't above supporting the other successor states with materials should those be used to fight the British.

The British hold on the region could never last, they had paradoxically more or less become what they wanted to avoid, a dominant continental power, and have drawn the ire of Europe. The Roman colonies remained defiant, forming their own successor states or when otherwise weak, banded together. Even the British sphere was not impervious to infighting, in order to better legitimize themselves to the locals of Constantinople, the British sovereigns of Byzantium quickly took to leaning Greek, adopting Roman court customs, wore Roman Imperial garb and referred to their domain as the Roman Empire.

While they would still use the Kingdom of Byzantium in correspondence with Britain for most of it's existence, the British ruled Roman heartland would progressively become more and more Roman, to the point that towards it's end, the British Emperor of the Greeks had converted to Orthodoxy. The Anglokratia came to an end when the British had become the target of a coalition themselves, fearing the safety of their Island home, they pulled many ships out of the Mediterranean in order to protect the channel. Alexandria was the only state left with the navy needed to punished the Brits, but was largely focused on a war in Syria against the Persians; the other states like Pergamon had fallen and Cappadocia was already in a war itself against Trebizond and the Armenians.

The actual liberator of Constantinople would come from Rhomania's former colony of Patagonia, now the breakaway state of Turkey. The Palaiologai had fallen from the Imperial throne centuries earlier, but when the Anglokratia was first established, many had departed for the colonies, one line of them had traveled to Patagonia, a Turkish majority colony in South America. Now with the British rule in the region weakened it was time to retake their place as the Imperial head. With aid from the Turks, the Palaiologai claimant had managed to arrive to Anatolia, subvert the armies to follow them and marched on the City. What remained of British rule would collapse in the following year, and Rhomania would regain much of her old land soon after. The only successor state which would survive would be the Alexandrian Empire which lasted until the 1890's when it was finally added back to the Roman fold.


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Looks nice. I suppose the Ottomans lucked out on leading a vast empire to replace the Byzantine one, and I find it interesting that there are still numerous strains of Christianity ITTL despite an overall smaller presence in Europe. By the looks of it, it seems that the religious aspect is still just as prominent in European geopolitics ITTL as it was some centuries ago.

Out of curiosity, is this based off anything particular? And what exactly is Autemic Christianity?
 
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With how there's not exactly a major Orthodox power ITTL, surprised Uniate/Eastern Rite Catholics (akin to the Greek Rite Catholics of Western Ukraine IOTL) aren't more prominent here, especially with how even IOTL, the last centuries of the Eastern Roman Empire saw the Palaiologos Emperors try to reunify the Greek and Latin Churches and the Second Bulgarian Empire temporarily adopted Catholicism under the reign of Kaloyan with said Catholicism lasting until 1235.
 
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