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The final two maps in my Timezone ISOT series, UTC-02:00 and UTC-01:00. I decided to post them together as both have very small areas and populations.

This series took longer than I thought to complete, but I've finally got there! Thanks to everyone who's liked the posts and commented on them which has encouraged me to continue with and complete the series. I've uploaded all the previous maps to my DA page.

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Regions transported: Brazil (Atlantic islands), South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands

One day the boats and the planes stopped calling at the Brazilian Atlantic island of Fernando de Noronha. For several weeks the island was gripped by confusion, with no contact from the Brazilian mainland or in fact any other country. Then a signal was picked up from the naval base on the St Peter and St Paul Archipelago, several hundred miles away. The small team stationed there had been expecting to be rotated out and back home, but no relief crew had arrived. Similar reports soon followed from the station on Trindade to the south. With the dawning realisation that they were alone in the world, and that the search groups who had departed for the mainland would find nothing, the municipal administration in Vila dos Remédios took the necessary steps to transform itself into a national government. The Brazilian naval bases on the outlying islands were brought under Noronhese control, forming the new nation's military and services previously provided by the federal and state governments were established both in Fernando de Noronha itself and the coastal settlements. Of course the process was not cheap, and with no tourist income, the only option was increased taxation, as well as a reliance on goodwill: something that was not received well by all. While many grumbled and moaned, one man named João Vale took possession of Trindade, declaring himself to be King João I of the Kingdom of South Trinidad. While "King" João's declaration was not recognised by the Noronhese government, they had bigger fish to fry establishing order on the mainland and as such the Kingdom of South Trinidad was tolerated as long as João and his subjects kept themselves on their rock.

Far to the south of South Trinidad, on the island of South Georgia another group were stranded on their rock, only not through choice. When the boats had stopped, the temporary residents of Grytviken had been forced to ration what supplies they had, but even these had long dwindled leaving the island's seal and penguin populations as the only food source. After surviving what they though would surely be their last Antarctic winter, by sheer chance what appeared to be a ship was spotted on the distant horizon and radio contact was established, leading to the mounting of a rescue mission to bring the bedraggled scientists and researchers to Fernando de Noronha. While the South Georgians physically recovered and the station at Grytviken re-manned and re-provisioned by the Noronhese navy, for some of the survivors the psychological trauma would not go away, leading to suicides and a small group, unable to integrate into Fernando de Noronha's Brazilian culture and climate, to establish the settlement of New Georgia on the Rio de la Plata estuary, the ironic significance of the location not escaping those who remembered the world before the Event many long years previously.


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Regions transported: Greenland (Ittoqqortoormiit), Portugal (Azores), Cabo Verde

Clinging to Greenland's east coast, the residents of the small town of Ittoqqortoormiit were already used to isolation: their only link to the outside world being flights to Reykjavík and Akureyri in Iceland, via a helicopter transfer to the even more isolated airport. Then in a flash, their isolation became absolute. Blocked by the ice sheet from exploring the surroundings by land, and having to wait for the brief summer opening in the sea ice to set sail for Iceland and other parts of Greenland, breaking Ittoqqortoormiit's isolation was a slow process. Nevertheless, their perseverance paid off with new settlements appearing around the Icelandic coast and in the Tasiilaq area further south in Greenland. The settlements in Iceland, with access to luxuries such as year-round ice free seas, timber and geothermal springs, began to flourish, establishing the island as the cultural hub of the Inuit world, even if political power remained in Ittoqqortoormiit. Even more distant outposts were established in the Faroe Islands, along the Norwegian fjords and Scotland's Northern and Western Isles and even Ireland. The warmer temperate climate of these lands brought about a shift away from hunting and fishing and towards a lifestyle based upon animal husbandry and agriculture: a shift that some criticised as straying too far from that of their Greenlandic ancestors. The cultural shift in Ittoqqortoormiit's Irish settlements became even pronounced once new settlements began to be established along the southern and east coasts. These were not Greenlandic settlements however, but Azorean ones.

Perhaps even more geographically isolated than Ittoqqortoormiit, the residents of the Azores, along with foreign tourists who found themselves stuck on holiday, had also had to adapt to their enforced independence. Also like their northern neighbours, the Azoreans had looked outwards to the ocean, soon establishing new villages and towns on Madeira, the Canary Islands and the Portuguese mainland. The islands fishermen also headed west to the riches of the restocked Newfoundland Grand Banks, with some staying for longer and longer periods of time, camping out on the Avalon Peninsular and Cape Breton Island. Over time, the camps evolved into permanent villages as the fishermen were joined by their families and people working in associated service industries, with towns to rival their European counterparts. Such was the success of the Azoreans' colonisation efforts that Ponta Delgada's "Atlantic Empire" grew to stretch 3000 miles from west to east and 1700 miles north to south, built on booming agricultural, marine and service sectors and enriched by the communities descended from stranded tourists, primarily Irish, English and Scottish. This wasn't enough though, with many of the country's rich and powerful casting a prospecting eye both north and south at the potential resources and markets controlled by Ittoqqortoormiit and Cabo Verde. In order to realise their aims, the Azorean elite encouraged the nascent separatism of Ittoqqortoormiit's Irish settlements, generously supporting their efforts to establish the new nation of Irland, as well as Azoro-British nations around the Bristol Channel and Firth of Clyde.

Cabo Verde, which had enjoyed a productive relationship with their fellow lusophone neighbours, also established settlements on the mainland, around the Senegal and Gambia rivers before moving south along the coast with the furthest outposts around the mouths of the Volta and Ouémé Rivers. Relations between Ponta Delgada and Praia though became strained by emigration of Europeans and even native Cabo Verdeans to the Azoreans, and the return influx of Azorean business interests which Cabo Verde felt contributed little to their local economies and shipped their profits back to Ponta Delgada. In an effort to secure an outpost which would be sufficiently far from the Azores to remain free from their interests, the colony of Cabralia was founded along the Suriname River. The colony took its name from the leaders of Cabo Verde's independence struggles, and was so named in the hope that it would safeguard that independence and prevent the country from again becoming a Portuguese colony. Unfortunately for Praia, Cabralia's remoteness proved logistically troublesome and with the distraction of further Azorean acquisitions of Cabo Verdean assets, the development of the colony was neglected. Taking inspiration from their namesakes, Cabralians started to push for their own independence from Praia, however they retained the initial settlers' desire to free the world from the Azorean yoke. Therefore the skills and techniques employed in the campaign for Cabralian independence were also employed in persuading the people of Irland, Newfoundland and even the Costa do Sol that they could prosper free from Ponta Delgada.
 
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The Peoples of Al-Andalus

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No major lore. Basically the Umayyads of Al-Andalus are even more successful than otl and hold on till modern day, leaving behind a rich legacy. This graphic/map is made in the kind of the 'Peoples of the Soviet Union' graphic that was famous during the Cold War. Thoughts and comments?
*Note: The Balearics are a sub-group of Catalans within the Caliphate.
Is Rum meant to be an Islamized Byzantium (which, similar to Persia/Iran IOTL, Islamized while retaining its pre-Islamization language and culture with an Islamic coat of paint), an ATL version of the Sultanate of Rum, or did the Muslims take over Italy here?
 
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I mean, in reality Aidar Akev and Aliya Nazarbayeva divorced in 2001, but the fact that they were married at all is still impressive. Also, Niyazov ended up giving up the idea of turning his country into a shahdom named after himself, Karimov nipped the rebellion in the bud, and Tajikistan adopted a slightly different flag, but you get the idea.
It's not often you see an alternate post-Soviet central Asia map. The Turkmen and Tajik flags are a definite improvement on the OTL flags as well!
 
It's not often you see an alternate post-Soviet central Asia map. The Turkmen and Tajik flags are a definite improvement on the OTL flags as well!
I don't like the Islamic Emirate flag, however; it's something about the combination of both the Shahada and the crescent-star symbol. For me, having one or the other may work better aesthetically.
 
The World in 1946
The Post-WW2 Order
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The world needs more Pacific Centered Worlda Maps. This is me expanding on the world I created in this map. I spent most of last month writing and coming up with this. (I'm actually working on the 1960s now.) Starting with the post WW2 Order.

Backstory
ITTL a few things happened, there was no Axis Alliance leaving Germany, Italy and, Japan on their own in the 30s and 40s. Chiang Kai-shek died before the Japanese invasion, allowing a swift victory against the mostly leaderless nationalist forces. China was split between Manchouko, Japanese controlled North China and Nationalist (Japanese Puppet) controlled South the surrender of China lead to a number of nationalist forces abandoning for the Communist forces who regrouped in the west. Japan also invaded the East Indies once the US stopped trading Oil due to the Second American Civil War. Meanwhile with the assassination of President Elect-Franklin Delano Roosevelt the situation in the US would gradually get worse until communists took control of Chicago declaring a new United Socialist States of America. The US then entered a second civil war between US forces in the northeast, Communist Forces in the Midwest, Neo-Confederates in the south, and an independent Texas that splintered from the Neo-Confederates. Taking opportunity from a broken US Japan took over former US colonies like the Philippines and Hawaii in the early 30s and later in 1937 invaded the US West Coast (including Canada), making it as far as Salt Lake City before getting stopped by the Rocky Mountains. By 1940 the US had managed to mostly reunite, defeating the communists, Neo-Confederates, and with help from a coalition led by a young Lyndon B. Johnson Texas peacefully rejoined the US. Stretched thin as paper and bogged down in the Rocky Mountains, Japan offered a peace deal in which they would return British and American colonies and Dutch East Indies in exchange for recognizing their annexation of the West Coast and Hawaii. Although letting Japan have the West Coast should have been a non-starter, a war tired US (It was also mostly agreed upon by US leadership that attempting to retake the West Coast through the Rocky Mountains was not worth the loss of life and the British Navy was preoccupied with the Nazis and already had taken a number of losses to the Japanese Naval Fleet so an amphibious assault was out of the question.) and a Britain with more important priorities (like stopping Hitler and the Nazis) accepted the offer but added the condition that Japan provide aid against the Nazis. Japan agreed to the addendum and with the signing of the Treaty of San Fransisco hostilities ended and Japan declared war on Nazi Germany as a show of support for their frenemy the US and Britain.

So I bet you're wondering about WW2. Well it's a doozy too. With no axis alliance Mussolini was mostly on his own, although being friendly with Hitler Mussolini never really went out of his way to gain his favor. Italy would eventually join the allies in 1942 when Italian/Nazi Germany relations soured to the point of hostility. The US despite being exhausted from it's civil war was obligated by Britain to declare war against the Nazis for Britains aid in the Second American Civil War. The US would begin lend-leasing to Britain and the Soviet Union immediately following the end of their civil war in 1940 and begin a joint US/Britain invasion of Nazi Germany. Starting with a joint US/British Offensive on the beaches of Normandy with most of the landing craft provided by Japan (Landing craft that was ironically used by Japan just a few years ago to invade the US & Canadian West Coast.) on what is known today as D-Day on 1942. The invasion happening much sooner because of the US already being geared for war due to it's own civil war. Although despite the head start on D-Day, advancing through Europe was slower than OTL from lack of boots on the ground. Ultimately the war ended in 1945 just like OTL. Atomic Weapons would never be used in WW2 as they were still just a nuclear physicists pipe dream.

1940s
With the entire industrialized world having united against the Nazis. The post world war 2 order was complicated. Germany was split between capitalist West Germany and communist East Germany with much of Eastern Europe being behind an Iron Curtain set up by Stalin.
Starting in the mid 1940s Communist China was making advances on North China with Japan losing Beijing in a shameful defeat. Japan would ultimately lose North China to Mao Zedong who offered a split along the Yangtze River. (Mao offered peace mostly because if he completely ousted Japan from China he wouldn't have an army left to control China with.) Japan's loss of North China, and Manchouko to the Chinese communists was an international embarrassment and lead to Hideki Tojo and other right-wing militarists being ousted and beginning the decline of Japanese Imperialism.
Having defeated it's own communist revolution. The United States is fully committed to containing the communist threat even if it means aiding Japan. (There was however a plan to retake the American West Coast which would have utilized newly built nuclear weapons, but such an operation immediately following WW2 was deemed "Operation Unthinkable" and was rejected.) Overall Japan is not exactly Pro-US but it's definitely Anti-Communist and shares some international interests with the US.
Mussolini tried to create a fascist South Germany in the land Italy occupied during the war, but he was rebuffed by the Western Allies and the Soviets as neither of them wanted another fascist Germany. Even if it was just a small part of Germany that had little to no industry. Italian and Western relations soured from this. (Not that they were any good to begin with.) Overall Mussolini and fascist Italy is still around but what they'll do is a mystery.
With more Jews surviving the Holocaust. The Jewish forces were much larger in the 1947–1949 Palestine War, leading to the creation of an Israel that undoubtedly controlled the West bank and Gaza Strip. With most Palestinians fleeing to Transjordan.
 
The World in 1946
The Post-WW2 Order
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The world needs more Pacific Centered Worlda Maps. This is me expanding on the world I created in this map. I spent most of last month writing and coming up with this. (I'm actually working on the 1960s now.) Starting with the post WW2 Order.

Backstory
ITTL a few things happened, there was no Axis Alliance leaving Germany, Italy and, Japan on their own in the 30s and 40s. Chiang Kai-shek died before the Japanese invasion, allowing a swift victory against the mostly leaderless nationalist forces. China was split between Manchouko, Japanese controlled North China and Nationalist (Japanese Puppet) controlled South the surrender of China lead to a number of nationalist forces abandoning for the Communist forces who regrouped in the west. Japan also invaded the East Indies once the US stopped trading Oil due to the Second American Civil War. Meanwhile with the assassination of President Elect-Franklin Delano Roosevelt the situation in the US would gradually get worse until communists took control of Chicago declaring a new United Socialist States of America. The US then entered a second civil war between US forces in the northeast, Communist Forces in the Midwest, Neo-Confederates in the south, and an independent Texas that splintered from the Neo-Confederates. Taking opportunity from a broken US Japan took over former US colonies like the Philippines and Hawaii in the early 30s and later in 1937 invaded the US West Coast (including Canada), making it as far as Salt Lake City before getting stopped by the Rocky Mountains. By 1940 the US had managed to mostly reunite, defeating the communists, Neo-Confederates, and with help from a coalition led by a young Lyndon B. Johnson Texas peacefully rejoined the US. Stretched thin as paper and bogged down in the Rocky Mountains, Japan offered a peace deal in which they would return British and American colonies and Dutch East Indies in exchange for recognizing their annexation of the West Coast and Hawaii. Although letting Japan have the West Coast should have been a non-starter, a war tired US (It was also mostly agreed upon by US leadership that attempting to retake the West Coast through the Rocky Mountains was not worth the loss of life and the British Navy was preoccupied with the Nazis and already had taken a number of losses to the Japanese Naval Fleet so an amphibious assault was out of the question.) and a Britain with more important priorities (like stopping Hitler and the Nazis) accepted the offer but added the condition that Japan provide aid against the Nazis. Japan agreed to the addendum and with the signing of the Treaty of San Fransisco hostilities ended and Japan declared war on Nazi Germany as a show of support for their frenemy the US and Britain.

So I bet you're wondering about WW2. Well it's a doozy too. With no axis alliance Mussolini was mostly on his own, although being friendly with Hitler Mussolini never really went out of his way to gain his favor. Italy would eventually join the allies in 1942 when Italian/Nazi Germany relations soured to the point of hostility. The US despite being exhausted from it's civil war was obligated by Britain to declare war against the Nazis for Britains aid in the Second American Civil War. The US would begin lend-leasing to Britain and the Soviet Union immediately following the end of their civil war in 1940 and begin a joint US/Britain invasion of Nazi Germany. Starting with a joint US/British Offensive on the beaches of Normandy with most of the landing craft provided by Japan (Landing craft that was ironically used by Japan just a few years ago to invade the US & Canadian West Coast.) on what is known today as D-Day on 1942. The invasion happening much sooner because of the US already being geared for war due to it's own civil war. Although despite the head start on D-Day, advancing through Europe was slower than OTL from lack of boots on the ground. Ultimately the war ended in 1945 just like OTL. Atomic Weapons would never be used in WW2 as they were still just a nuclear physicists pipe dream.

1940s
With the entire industrialized world having united against the Nazis. The post world war 2 order was complicated. Germany was split between capitalist West Germany and communist East Germany with much of Eastern Europe being behind an Iron Curtain set up by Stalin.
Starting in the mid 1940s Communist China was making advances on North China with Japan losing Beijing in a shameful defeat. Japan would ultimately lose North China to Mao Zedong who offered a split along the Yangtze River. (Mao offered peace mostly because if he completely ousted Japan from China he wouldn't have an army left to control China with.) Japan's loss of North China, and Manchouko to the Chinese communists was an international embarrassment and lead to Hideki Tojo and other right-wing militarists being ousted and beginning the decline of Japanese Imperialism.
Having defeated it's own communist revolution. The United States is fully committed to containing the communist threat even if it means aiding Japan. (There was however a plan to retake the American West Coast which would have utilized newly built nuclear weapons, but such an operation immediately following WW2 was deemed "Operation Unthinkable" and was rejected.) Overall Japan is not exactly Pro-US but it's definitely Anti-Communist and shares some international interests with the US.
Mussolini tried to create a fascist South Germany in the land Italy occupied during the war, but he was rebuffed by the Western Allies and the Soviets as neither of them wanted another fascist Germany. Even if it was just a small part of Germany that had little to no industry. Italian and Western relations soured from this. (Not that they were any good to begin with.) Overall Mussolini and fascist Italy is still around but what they'll do is a mystery.
With more Jews surviving the Holocaust. The Jewish forces were much larger in the 1947–1949 Palestine War, leading to the creation of an Israel that undoubtedly controlled the West bank and Gaza Strip. With most Palestinians fleeing to Transjordan.
Eh, I can´t see how would Japan claim about third of American mainland but return "american colonies"...
But alt. history maps don´t have to be realistic to be interesting, and thats what is this idea of multipolar CW or more diverse/less american-dominated anticommunist bloc is
 
France has been the Queen of Europe since 1813, but her domination of the continent will eventually be her downfall. When it happens, Europe will finally be free from Bonaparte's Boot...
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Eh, I can´t see how would Japan claim about third of American mainland but return "american colonies"...
But alt. history maps don´t have to be realistic to be interesting, and thats what is this idea of multipolar CW or more diverse/less american-dominated anticommunist bloc is
Yeah giving back Guam and the Philippines is a bit weird. I might change that later.
Even I admit this is an absurd scenario. It's not very realistic, and is highly implausible, but in my opinion implausible things have happened IOTL.
The whole scenario revolves around the Pacific States of America. I wanted to world-build a Japanese dominated/influenced Pacific States of America but without the "impossible generic axis victory" baggage that comes with it.
 

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Yeah giving back Guam and the Philippines is a bit weird. I might change that later.
Even I admit this is an absurd scenario. It's not very realistic, and is highly implausible, but in my opinion implausible things have happened IOTL.
The whole scenario revolves around the Pacific States of America. I wanted to world-build a Japanese dominated/influenced Pacific States of America but without the "impossible generic axis victory" baggage that comes with it.
Then you need a POD in the 1600's at latest, and even then is probably too late.
 
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In 1919, during the Paris Peace Conference, prominent Italain figures like industralist Oscar Senigaglia and Prime Minister Vittorio Emaniele Orlando tried to push for Italy to get a Mandate over Georgia similarly to the United States in Armenia.

The project was shortly to be discarded due to the resignation of Prime Minister Orlando and his replacement by Francesco Nitti, after the US Mandate on Armenia was approved, the Italian parliament presented its project to the other allies of the Entente at a time when Bolshevik forces were approaching the Caucasus. After the approval of the United States, the United Kingdom and France, the Italian expeditionary force occupied Georgia, thus avoiding its conquest by the Bolsheviks.

Italy's prestige as the protector of Georgia against the communist giant to the north, as well as its new mandate over Cameroon, helped to alleviate the claims within Italy about the "Mutilated Victory" although there were still voices claiming the Dalmatian coast ceded to Yugoslavia.

Based on the idea of Mandatory Armenia by Gouachevalier.
 
This series took longer than I thought to complete, but I've finally got there! Thanks to everyone who's liked the posts and commented on them which has encouraged me to continue with and complete the series. I've uploaded all the previous maps to my DA page.

Crazy to see this series end, really fueled my love of ISOTs and gave me so much inspiration. Great work!
 
Where's greek constantinople though :pensive:

I don't think genocide is exactly anyone's ideal

In hell where it belongs, hopefully!

the city wasn't majority greek, thus no hellenic wank-tasy

🤨In what way a genocide is "ideal"

What is it with the anti-Greek bias though? Or is it just a general anti-Christian bias that this forum tends to have manifesting itself yet another time? I want to remind you that at the time as far as I'm aware the City wasn't majority-Turkish either, it was multinational, with it's population also including such minorities as the Jews and Armenians, making it overall majority non-Muslim, but even if we go by official pre-WW1 Ottoman census(obviously tweaked in favour of Turks) then still there would've been more than half as many Christian peoples as there were Turks, and also I assume that when talking about the Genocide you refer to the one Turks committed and still continue to humiliate themselves by refusing to accept the blame?
 
What is it with the anti-Greek bias though? Or is it just a general anti-Christian bias that this forum tends to have manifesting itself yet another time? I want to remind you that at the time as far as I'm aware the City wasn't majority-Turkish either, it was multinational, with it's population also including such minorities as the Jews and Armenians, making it overall majority non-Muslim, but even if we go by official pre-WW1 Ottoman census(obviously tweaked in favour of Turks) then still there would've been more than half as many Christian peoples as there were Turks, and also I assume that when talking about the Genocide you refer to the one Turks committed and still continue to humiliate themselves by refusing to accept the blame?
On one hand as far as I can remember Turks were a plurality near the end of the Ottoman period in the city; though considering the fact that there are already so many other ethnically mixed areas trading hands between the Greeks and Turks (as was the case OTL; following mass population transfers along the very blurry lines that divided the Greek and the Turk at that time), I get the feeling that the real sin is that Megali Idea is an AH Cliche.
 
personal ideal post WW1 middle eastern borders
(sorry turkey)
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Could be worse tbh.

I had showed a similar map to my girlfriend with a Greek Costantinople and an Armenia with its historical regions plus Trebizond and Kurdistan. She said that she was perfectly fine with Eastern Turkey being gone but not Istanbul.

Note : the east of Turkey is generally ultraconservative, even more than the current government that they vote for.
 
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In 1919, during the Paris Peace Conference, prominent Italain figures like industralist Oscar Senigaglia and Prime Minister Vittorio Emaniele Orlando tried to push for Italy to get a Mandate over Georgia similarly to the United States in Armenia.

The project was shortly to be discarded due to the resignation of Prime Minister Orlando and his replacement by Francesco Nitti, after the US Mandate on Armenia was approved, the Italian parliament presented its project to the other allies of the Entente at a time when Bolshevik forces were approaching the Caucasus. After the approval of the United States, the United Kingdom and France, the Italian expeditionary force occupied Georgia, thus avoiding its conquest by the Bolsheviks.

Italy's prestige as the protector of Georgia against the communist giant to the north, as well as its new mandate over Cameroon, helped to alleviate the claims within Italy about the "Mutilated Victory" although there were still voices claiming the Dalmatian coast ceded to Yugoslavia.

Based on the idea of Mandatory Armenia by Gouachevalier.
Cool, is Constantinople also Italian ITTL? Otherwise I can see them having a hard time controlling Georgia, also I think if Italy gets Georgia and USA gets Armenia then UK will snatch Azerbaijan because of the oil
 
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