Could a Great India avoid the Chinese conquest of Tibet?

Let's say India gets Bangladesh and Pakistan proper during the independence era, and manages to keep the country stable, within the realities of the subcontinent, during its early years.

Could this Delhi be capable to defend Tibet from Mao's aggression in the 50s? And before someone asks, they would want this because it is in their interests, and they would've more attention to spare considering they wouldn't be fighting among themselves. Tibet is the source of an important river for India, while also serving as an invaluable buffer state, like Mongolia.
 
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Let's say India gets Bangladesh and Pakistan proper during the independence era, and manages to keep the country stable, within the realities of the subcontinent, during its early years.

Could this Delhi be capable to defend Tibet from Mao's aggression in the 50s?

I don't even think it would be an issue. Mao would want a buffer state in between himself and Greater India. It's a similar sort of issue to Mongolia--the benefits of controlling the territory directly are outweighed by the cons of having an even longer border with Russia. Here, the benefits of controlling Tibet directly are far outwieghed by the cons of having to defend the border.
 
No, because most of the rivers in Tibet run west to east.

Additionally, Lhasa claimed eastern Tibet, which was already controlled by various China proper governments for the past couple hundred years, so that would be a major friction point.
 
I don't even think it would be an issue. Mao would want a buffer state in between himself and Greater India. It's a similar sort of issue to Mongolia--the benefits of controlling the territory directly are outweighed by the cons of having an even longer border with Russia. Here, the benefits of controlling Tibet directly are far outwieghed by the cons of having to defend the border.
Disagree. China in our timeline controls Tibet and that is a buffer zone enough as it basically keeps their entire western front secure. What I do not see is how much India could do. Would India be willing to send massive amounts of troops and trade with Tibet?
 
Let's say India gets Bangladesh and Pakistan proper during the independence era, and manages to keep the country stable, within the realities of the subcontinent, during its early years.

Could this Delhi be capable to defend Tibet from Mao's aggression in the 50s? And before someone asks, they would want this because it is in their interests, and they would've more attention to spare considering they wouldn't be fighting among themselves. Tibet is the source of an important river for India, while also serving as an invaluable buffer state, like Mongolia.

I just want to know how India can send troops to Tibet ?

It seems that during the war, the Western Allies were unable to send any reinforcements to China except by the The Hump :


And it was more than limited...

Geography is a b...tch that dictated your country policy...
 
Assuming India is stable ? Yes, no doubt about it as in OTL they were just way too distracted from fighting Pakistan and in the issues of subcontinent, here due to no Pakistan they would be able to focus on more global issues and affairs

India would also be an ally of USA in this timeline as it would inherit the position of Pakistan of being way to close geopolitically to USSR, as such expect tensions between India and USSR and USA being a friend and ally of India

India as such would have capability to try to maintain Tibetan independence
 
Logistically I think it will be so difficult to supply any decent size force

During the time of the sikh empire they attempted something like that but through different Corredor’s further out to the west side

and in times of Muhammad b tughlaq There were rumors that he sent an expedition North Trying to conquer China but perhaps it was tibet
 
So what? The POD is before this date.
Every country in the world before Indian independence recognized Tibet as a part of China. Why is India going to go against that? The INC made it clear in their 1938 declaration that Tibet was recognized as a part of China. The 1921, 28 and 35 declarations all states this as well.
 
Because its in their national interests to not have a potentially hostile and powerful neighbor controlling the Tibetan plateau, specially if we are talking about a China ruled by communists.
When India was gaining independence the KMT was winning the civil war. That was before the great defections of 1948 and the offensives.of 48 and 49.

Also again the INC and ML both recognized Tibet as Chinese since the xinhai revolution.
You need to fundamentally change the xinhai revolution for them to change that position which if you do will change ww1, the interwar and ww2 years completely making any world in 1947 unrecognisable.
 
When India was gaining independence the KMT was winning the civil war. That was before the great defections of 1948 and the offensives.of 48 and 49.

Also again the INC and ML both recognized Tibet as Chinese since the xinhai revolution.
You need to fundamentally change the xinhai revolution for them to change that position which if you do will change ww1, the interwar and ww2 years completely making any world in 1947 unrecognisable.
There's no need to change anything from China's part.

India OTL was not okay with Maoist China annexing Tibet, previous declarations from more than ten years earlier be damned, they were just powerless. My premise is that they would be stronger and then, more capable to intervene, considering intervention is even possible in those complicate geographical conditions.
 
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There's no need to change anything from China's part.

India OTL was not okay with Maoist China annexing Tibet, they were just powerless. My premise is that they would be stronger and then, more capable to intervene, considering intervention is even possible in those complicate geographical conditions.
Nah. The Indian government in 1954 called Tibet an autonomous region of China and recognized it as such being a fierce proponent of it in the UN. They only backtracked due to the 1962 war.
 
Nah. The Indian government in 1954 called Tibet an autonomous region of China and recognized it as such being a fierce proponent of it in the UN. They only backtracked due to the 1962 war.
The Indians recognized Taiwan, not the PRC.

You are being disingenuous. New Delhi protested when the PCR invaded Lhasa.
 
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The Indians recognized Taiwan, not the PRC.

You are being disingenuous. New Delhi protested when the PCR invaded Lhasa.
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You are being disingenuous. New Delhi protested when the PCR invaded Lhasa
From Nehru's India by Nayantara Saghal chapter 29

"The Indian government protested at the violent takeover of Tibet by the Beijing government and offered to mediate the conflict with Nehru's ministry hoping to incorporate Tibet as a highly autonomous region of China peacefully. They called the Beijing government and offered mediation. Enlai and Mao thanked Delhi for the offer but politely declined on the offer."

Really? Can you back up your claims?
 
I'll recycle an old post of mine:

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India using force is almost ASB territory as long as Nehru leads India in 1950-51. He was anxious to see the PRC admitted to the UN, anxious to preserve India's position as a "neutral" power that could broker a peace agreement for the Korean War, etc. Moroever, he believed that "We cannot save Tibet, as we should have liked to do, and our very attempt to save it might well bring greater trouble to it." http://books.google.com/books?id=-5z3AwAAQBAJ&pg=PA124 (He was also worried about Pakistan taking advanatage of any India-PRC conflict.)

The only POD I can see making Indian involvement more likely would be if something happened to Nehru, and Deputy Prime Minister Vallabhbhai Patel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vallabhbhai_Patel became Prime Minister. Patel was much more concerned over the PRC's takeover of Tibet than Nehru was; see Itty Abraham, *How India Became Territorial: Foreign Policy, Diaspora, Geopolitics* (Stanford University Press 2014), pp. 124-6 for a summary of his views. Patel observed that previously concerns over India's security had overwhelmingly focused on the Northwest, Tibet having formed a buffer on the Northeast. This buffer was now gone, and Communist views could easily be sold by the PRC in the "weak spots" of "Nepal, Bhutan, Sikkim, Darjeeling, [and] tribal Assam" bercause of serious pre-existing class and national resentments. Patel warned that "Chinese irredentism and Communist imperialism" were different from, and much more dangerous than, the imperialism of the western powers. http://books.google.com/books?id=-5z3AwAAQBAJ&pg=PA126

But there is an obvious problem with having Patel lead India into war with the PRC on account of Tibet: His health was very poor by mid-1950, and he died on December 15, 1950...

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IMO this would still be true with an undivided India, at least as long as Nehru was the leader. Yes, the worry about Pakistan taking advantage of an Indian-Chinese war would not be applicable, but all the other reasons would still be. One shoud also remember that the Government of India, both under British rule and when indpendent, always recognized in principle that Tibet was part of China, so it would have a hard time finding legal justification for interrvening by force when a Chinnse goverment (Communist or Nationalist) was finally strong enough to make good on its claim.
 
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I don't even think it would be an issue. Mao would want a buffer state in between himself and Greater India. It's a similar sort of issue to Mongolia--the benefits of controlling the territory directly are outweighed by the cons of having an even longer border with Russia. Here, the benefits of controlling Tibet directly are far outwieghed by the cons of having to defend the border.

Mao very much wanted to incorporate Outer Mongolia into China and requested Stalin to let him do so--but requesting was all Mao could do , given his dependence on the USSR. https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...t-take-over-tibet.507678/page-2#post-21778095
 
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