Perhaps, I think it would depend mainly on how Mary feels about her dad no?
Well, I think she'd want to name child after him or perhaps Ferdinand after common ancestor of hers and Philip?
Perhaps, I think it would depend mainly on how Mary feels about her dad no?
Well, I think she'd want to name child after him or perhaps Ferdinand after common ancestor of hers and Philip?
Possibly producing children but if not, it isn’t an issue. Keeping Elizabeth off the market is Philip’s only way of making sure his son isn’t overthrown.Oh interesting, and perhaps producing kids with her as well? Thus meaning his son Carlos marries Elisabeth de Valois here
I doubt Mary would name her son after her dad, who divorced her mum and made her an illegitimate child.Think Edward is probably out given how the last King Edward treated Mary, Henry might happen, but may not.
Could she be placed in a convent or is that too late to do much?Possibly producing children but if not, it isn’t an issue. Keeping Elizabeth off the market is Philip’s only way of making sure his son isn’t overthrown.
I doubt Mary would name her son after her dad, who divorced her mum and made her an illegitimate child.
An alternative name could be Arthur, cementing the legend that he is God’s saviour of the Brits
Other names used by Philip:
- Ferdinand
- Laurence
- Diego
- Félix
Although it’s not unusual for medieval monarchs to use the same name on more than one child, for example James III of Scotland named two of his sons James.
You could have Charles/Carlos the Spanish and Charles the English or even their titles Carlos, Prince of Asturias and Charles, Prince of Wales to differentiate between the brothers
oh reclaiming the name John would be goodWhat about John? It wasn't the most popular name for English monarchs for obvious reasons, but Phillip had a younger brother named John, while it was also the name of Mary's uncle... He could also possibly be named Phillip after his father...
Huh?This is in my Simpsons-Verse TL:
Queen Elizabeth II/King George XI-1952-1995
Queen James V/Queen Anne III-1995-2001
King William V/Queen Mary II-2001-2027
Queen Victoria II/King Henry XII-2027-2047
Queen Louise I/King Edward VII-2047-2053
Queen Charlotte II/King Harrison II-2053-2059
Queen Margaret/King Ronald V-2059-2065
King Ronald V(after his wife's passing) 2065-2077
Queen Harriett II/King James XX-2077-2080
King Howard II/Queen Sophia II-2080-2091
King Malcom I-2091-2098
Queen Arabella/King George XV-2098-2115
Much betterPOD: The children of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York who died young live to adulthood and the ones that lived to adulthood die young.
Henry VII of England (1457-1509) m. Elizabeth of York (1466-1503)
- Arthur I of England(1586-1527) m. Catherine of Aragon (1485-1539)
- Henry VIII of England (1503-1559) m. Isabella of Portugal (1503-1551)
- Elizabeth (1504-1506)
- Stillborn son (1506)
- Margaret (1509-1568) m. John III of Portugal (1502-1557)
- Edward (1511)
- John, duke of York (1513-1527)
- Stillborn daughter (1516)
- Mary (1518-1559) m. Henry II of France (1519-1568)
- Margaret (1489-1492)
- Henry, duke of York (1491-1501)
- Elizabeth(1492-1540) m. James IV of Scotland (1473-1513)
- Elizabeth (1508-1561) m. Luis, duke of Beja (1506-1555)
- James V of Scotland (1510-1548) m. Isabella of Navarre (1512-1565)
- Alexander, duke of Ross (1511-1563) m. Anne Tudor of Somerset, countess of Auvergne (1517-1562)
- Margaret (1513)
- Mary (1496-1501)
- Edmund, duke of Somerset(1498-1555) m. a) Madeleine de la Tour d'Auvergne (1496-1523), b) Jane Parker (1505-1564)
- a) Anne, countess of Auvergne (1517-1562) m. Alexander, duke of Ross (1511-1563)
- a) Arthur (1520-1521)
- a) Catherine (1522-1525)
- b) Henry (1528-1541)
- b) Elizabeth (1529-1592) m. Henry Stafford, duke of Buckingham [1] (1526-1565)
- b) Alice (1531-1578) m. Thomas Percy, earl of Northumberland [2] (1528-1570)
- b) Edmund (1533)
- b) William III of England (1535-1579) m. Eleanor I of England [3] (1539-1598)
- Catherine(1503-1549) m. Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (1500-1558)
- Juana (1520-1533)
- Felipe (1521)
- María (1523-1568) m. Manuel II of Portugal [4] (1520-1584)
- Catalina (1525-1577) m. a) Arthur, Prince of Wales [5] (1526-1551), b) Sigismund II Augustus of Poland (1520-1572)
- Carlos II of Spain (1527-1582) m. Catherine of Portugal [6] (1529-1588)
- Stillborn son (1528)
- Isabel (1530-1578) m. Maximilian II, Holy Roman Emperor (1527-1581)
- Enrique (1532-1536)
- Stillborn daughter (1535)
- Fernando, duke of Burgundy (1538-1601) m. a) Barbara of Austria (1538-1572), b) Catherine Tudor [7] (1557-1622)
[1] The duke of Buckingham doesn't rebel against Arthur, so the Stafford family keeps the title.
[2] Son of Henry Percy and Anne Boleyn
[3] Only surviving child of Henry VIII and Isabella of Portugal.
[4] Son of John III of Portugal and his first wife Eleanor of Austria, who died young ITTL.
[5] Son of Henry VIII and Isabella of Portugal. He dies childless, which leads to Henry VIII arranging the marriage of William and Eleanor and acknowledging them as his heirs.
[6] Daughter of John III of Portugal and his second wife Margaret Tudor.
[7] Daughter of William III and Eleanor I.
@isabella Is this better?
I suppose this is one way to make a King of England also King of France.Unrealistic? Yes. Fun? Absolutely:
Queen Mary I (1516-1562), reigned from 1553 M. King Philip II of Spain (1527-1598) reigned from 1556, had issue
1. Queen Catherine I of England and the Netherlands (1555-1612) M. King Francis III of France [1] (1555-1609), reigned from 1589, had issue
1 (A). King Henry IX Of England, I of the Netherlands and IV of France (1577-1634)
1 (B). Prince Philippe, Duke of York and Orleans (1579-1618)
1 (C). Princess Mary (1581-1621)
1 (D). Princess Catherine (1581-1629)
....
[1] OTL Francis of Anjou.
I know this would never happen but I decided to do it anyways as this Anglo-French-Dutch Empire would be a good counterbalance to the Habsburgs. Also the idea of Philip raging at this is hilarious.
And the Netherlands too!I suppose this is one way to make a King of England also King of France.
I-don't-watch-The-Simpsons-so-I-don't-understand-what's-happening-type huhWhy huh?
I wonder if Charles in 1550 would already push his son instead of accepting to marry Mary himself.Edward VI dies in 1550, Mary Tudor marries earlier and has a son with Philip II.
Philip II (1527-1598) Duke of Burgundy, King of Spain, King of England iure uxoris, m. a) Maria Manuela of Portugal (1527-1545) b) Mary of England (1516-1560) c) Anna of Austria (1549-1580)
1a) Charles (1545-1568) Prince of Asturias, m. Elizabeth of France (1545-1597)
1a) Isabella (1564-1569)2a) Maria I (1566-1609) Queen of Spain 1598, m. Ferdinand VI (1570-1606) see below
2a) Henry IX (1552-1599) Duke of Burgundy, King of England 1560, m. Elizabeth of Austria (1554-1592)
1) Mary (1574-1602) m. John IV (1575-1627) King of Portugal*2) Catherine (1576-1629) m. Henry II (1563-1624) Duke of Lorraine3) Henry (1577-1579)4) Philip II (1579-1633) Duke of Burgundy, King of England 1599, m. a) Margaret of Austria (1584-1611) b) Anna of Spain (1597-1649) see below5) Henry (1582)
3c) Ferdinand VI (1570-1606) King of Spain (with Maria) m. Maria I (1566-1609) Queen of Spain
1) Isabella (1588-1642) m. John IV (1575-1627) King of Portugal (second wife)2) Maria (1590)3) Philip II (1591-1650) King of Spain 1609, m. Joanna of Portugal (1596-1642)**4) Ferdinand (1593-1610)5) Charles (1595-1637) Archbishop of Toledo6) Anna (1597-1649) m. Philip II (1579-1633) King of England
4c) Philip (1572)
5c) Isabella (1574-1583)
6c) James (1576)
* Son of Sebastian of Portugal and Margaret of France
** Daughter of John IV of Portugal and Mary of England
Oh well these characters are from my own Simpsons original story that I'm writing on hereI-don't-watch-The-Simpsons-so-I-don't-understand-what's-happening-type huh
Ah...okayOh well these characters are from my own Simpsons original story that I'm writing on here
I don't think Henry would get away with executing a foreign princess.An alt daughter of Marguerite of Angouleme and the Duke of Alencon, Margot converts but falls out of favour and is executed